Da li sam slobodan 20 godina poslije?

Da li sam slobodan 20 godina poslije? | B92 Blog http://blog.b92.net/blog/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Neven Anđelić sr http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss rss@b92.net rss@b92.net Blog A-JE! RSS generator v0.3 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:08:42 +0000 http://blog.b92.net/user_stuff/avatars/mali/605/5605.jpg Neven Anđelić http://blog.b92.net/ 50 50 Re: Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k587672 http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:12:23 GMT Unfuckable http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Dok sve petokrake... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k587655 svi ideoloski znaci
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drug.clan: " ... znaci bilo bi bar 10 puta bolje "

Znači plata 2-3 hiljade evra! :) Pa, to ni gazda Jezda nije obećavao u svojim predizbornim spotovima !! :) Vikah ja - Nemojte slobu - a oni uzvraćahu - Hoćemo samo Slobu! Lep je, pametan...!" - i izabraše slobu. I to više puta. I ne znadoše posle šta ih je snašlo, odakle ih grad bije, odakle zemlja trese..!! I čuvaše slobu i dalje. I čuvaše slobu i tajkuni. I to se čuvanje nastavi, sve dok tajkuni ne rekoše - E, sad imamo moć, možemo i bez slobe! I pustiše slobu niz vodu. I videše da im je i bez slobe dobro.

Nije sve u plati. U tih 10 puta ulazi i kvalitet zivota se meri i drugim stvarima (placeno zdravstveno, obrazovanje, socijalno, dobra infrastruktura, kvalitet zivotne sredine itd., vannastavne aktivnosti za decu, zastitu potrosaca ...). Zatim odbij par stotina evra za mito i korupciju za politicare, lekare, policajce, profesore koje ne bi morao da dajes mesecno itd. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:59:57 GMT drug.clan http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k587029 Uzgred, na Gazimestanu su sedeli i Miloševiću tapšali i Stipe Šuvar i Ante Marković i Raif Dizdarević kao i čitav diplomatski kor sa ambasadorima USA i svih članica EU.Na vikipediji piše da su Gazimestan bojkotovali i Šuvar i Zimmermann i EU/Nato ambasadori.
Za Stipu nisam siguran, ali Warrenn je sigurno bojkotovao Gazimestan, pa za uzvrat Milošević posle nije hteo da primi njega, i... ostalo je legenda... ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:57:50 GMT gorran2 http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: pobeda - poraz sve je relativno http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k587008 drug.clan: " ... znaci bilo bi bar 10 puta bolje " Znači plata 2-3 hiljade evra! :) Pa, to ni gazda Jezda nije obećavao u svojim predizbornim spotovima !! :) Vikah ja - Nemojte slobu - a oni uzvraćahu - Hoćemo samo Slobu! Lep je, pametan...!" - i izabraše slobu. I to više puta. I ne znadoše posle šta ih je snašlo, odakle ih grad bije, odakle zemlja trese..!! I čuvaše slobu i dalje. I čuvaše slobu i tajkuni. I to se čuvanje nastavi, sve dok tajkuni ne rekoše - E, sad imamo moć, možemo i bez slobe! I pustiše slobu niz vodu. I videše da im je i bez slobe dobro.
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:58:46 GMT loader http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Montogmeri za raspad Bosne? http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586923 hvala gorane, jos jednom.
Nema na čemu - nisam hteo da pravim poseban blog o ovome zato što su mi te teme podele u principu mučne i stvar bi se sigurno pretvorila u pljuvaonicu. Više volim da stavim ovo što sam upravo stavio

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libkonz

Inner, ti se sa ovim slažeš???

Da. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:27:58 GMT Inner Party http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586722

Doctor Wu

I Hitleru su 30. septembra 1938. svi aplaudirali

Pa? Kakve sad to veze ima? Ne znam da li kapirate da ovde nije reč o toliko puta prežvakanom i izakanom poređenju Hitlera i Miloševića, nego o političkim očekivanjima potonjeg. Nećete, valjda, sad i o Hanibalu i guskama?

Ista ocekivanja (da ce da ga puste da radi sta hoce) je i hitler imao pa se presao to je veza a ne ono sto su radili ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:21:00 GMT drug.clan http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586721 I Hitleru su 30. septembra 1938. svi aplaudirali
Pa? Kakve sad to veze ima? Ne znam da li kapirate da ovde nije reč o toliko puta prežvakanom i izakanom poređenju Hitlera i Miloševića, nego o političkim očekivanjima potonjeg. Nećete, valjda, sad i o Hanibalu i guskama? ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:18:44 GMT Doctor Wu http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586711

Doctor Wu

Mislim da je u vreme o kojem je rec (kraj osamdesetih), bipolarni svet vec okoncao svoju egzistenciju, a da uticaj rezima u Kini sigurno nije bio ni izdaleka tako veliki na ovdasnja (balkanska) zbivanja, kako se to prezentuje u tekstu.

Tako je. Na Gazimestanu je bilo najviše srpskih, jako puno američkih, australijskih i Union Jack zastava i nijedna kineska ili ruska zastava. Milošević je više nade polagao u Amerikance nego u Ruse a da je John Scanlan ostao američki ambasador, 90-te bi sasvim drugačije izgledale za Srbiju. Uzgred, na Gazimestanu su sedeli i Miloševiću tapšali i Stipe Šuvar i Ante Marković i Raif Dizdarević i čitav diplomatski kor sa ambasadorima USA i svih članica EU.

I Hitleru su 30. septembra 1938. svi aplaudirali ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:07:58 GMT drug.clan http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586709 Mislim da je u vreme o kojem je rec (kraj osamdesetih), bipolarni svet vec okoncao svoju egzistenciju, a da uticaj rezima u Kini sigurno nije bio ni izdaleka tako veliki na ovdasnja (balkanska) zbivanja, kako se to prezentuje u tekstu.
Tako je. Na Gazimestanu je bilo najviše srpskih, jako puno američkih, australijskih i Union Jack zastava i nijedna kineska ili ruska zastava. Milošević je više nade polagao u Amerikance nego u Ruse a da je John Scanlan ostao američki ambasador, 90-te bi sasvim drugačije izgledale za Srbiju. Uzgred, na Gazimestanu su sedeli i Miloševiću tapšali i Stipe Šuvar i Ante Marković i Raif Dizdarević kao i čitav diplomatski kor sa ambasadorima USA i svih članica EU. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:05:05 GMT Doctor Wu http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586694 http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:44:16 GMT Neven Anđelić http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Trijumf Kine-zalost USA http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586413 ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:00:45 GMT libkonz http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Na prvi i na drugi pogled... http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586377 Ne verujem ni da se rezim u Srbiji zavaravao mogucnoscu da bi Kina (kao ni Rusija '99.) mogla i htela da se suprotstavlja mocnijima zarad nekih "maglovitih" interesa, slazem se da je Balkan skoro beznacajan u svetskim okvirima.

‘.....ni oruzane bitke nisu iskljucene'.........
......da li bi Milosevic rekao onu o oruzju.......

Ne vidim sta je sporno u ovim recima? Da li je bilo oruzanih bitaka? Da.
Meni je vise licilo na ne tako tesko predvidjanje a manje na pretnju (uostalom, prete li i oni iz "slobodnih" drzava??)
Drugo, da li je oruzje i uopste ratovanje ishta drugo nego produzena ruka politike? Legalna stvar. I najdemokratskije zemlje posezu za upotrebom oruzja, ratovima, pa i zlocinima, pa? Da li to nesto menja u njihovom unutrasnjem ustrojstvu? Ne. Zasto instruisu "ispiranje mozga", da je apsolutno nedozvoljena upotreba sile (samo mirna, diplomatska sredstva-i to se ponavlja kao mantra), zemljama poput nase i slicnima? Pa upravo da bi zadrzali to ekskluzivno pravo samo za sebe...
Naravno, ako se misli na upotrebu oruzja u smislu golog ocuvanja komunisticke vlasti, onda se mora priznati da je Milosevic upotrebio tenkove (pasivno) za smirivanje demonstranata '91., bilo je dvoje nastradalih (demonstrant i policajac), kao i vise politickih ubistava, ali ipak je njegova diktatura koristila daleko perfidnije metode od ogoljene oruzane sile.
A ako se misli na upotrebu oruzja u ratovima na teritoriji ex-Yu, tu se nikako ne mozemo ograniciti na tumacenje da je to bilo samo odrzavanje u zivotu prevazidjenog sistema, nego je to bio gradjanski rat sa kompleksnijim uzrocima, istorijskim, nacionalnim, verskim, politickim ....

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mizanas

Odgovor pravne drzave na na Pekinskom trgu Tiananmen pokazao je šaci suldih studenata da nemogu nametati svoje misljenje milijardi Kineza,sta se moglo dogoditi sa Kinom da si ti nesrecnici ostvarili svoj naum najbolje pokazuje pakao kroz koji je Rusija prosla ...

]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:06:38 GMT Inner Party http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Dakle, sloboda se stalno vaja .. http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586324 ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:04:17 GMT mizanas http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Trijumf Kine-zalost USA http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586312 http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:54:39 GMT mizanas http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Kadijevic http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586279
PS

Kina je uveliko bila na putu reformi kada se desio Tienanmen, drugaciji ishod tadasnjih demonstracija je mogao biti samo rat i raspad Kine.

]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:30:40 GMT Inner Party http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ pobeda - poraz sve je relativno http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586272 Naime, svim srcem sam na strani hrabrog covjeka u bijeloj kosulji koji pokusava voljom srca a ne razuma da uradi nesto za slobodu, za svoje drugove, za svoj narod, za sebe. Nije uspio. Volio bih da mu saznam ime i sudbinu. Gubitnik je. Mozda je to dodatni razlog zasto mi se dopada. Medjutim da je on pobijedio, da je istinsku slobodu ostarila milijarda ljudi u Kini kao sto je slobodu dozivjelo nekoliko stotina miliona ljudi komunisticke Evrope (ukljucujuci nekadsnji Sovjetski Savez) da li bi Milosevic rekao onu o oruzju na Vidovdan i ugrozio mi zivot kao i vama koji ovo citate.

Ubijedjen sam da Milosevic ne bi onako zvonko spomenuo oruzane bitke koje nam predstoje da tenkovi nisu izasli na ulice u dalekoj Kini. Vidio covjek da moze da prodje ali je malo precijenio sebe i svoju naciju.

Eto taj neznani kinez je porazen ali je njegova zemlja od tada postala ekonomska velesila a njegov narod dosao na put nezapamcenog napretka (ekonomskog, kulturnog i politickog). Da je on pobedio Kina bi verovatno postala sirotinjska udavaca NGO vladavine ljudskih prava (citaj globalnih korporacija) a njegov narod ostao obespravljen u siromastvu bez nade za bolje sutra.

Sa druge strane Sloba je te 1989. trijumfovao a potom sve krenulo nizbrdo. Na kraju je izgubio zemlju, narod je potpuno osiromasio, izginuo i doveden do ivice propasti (a mozda i preko ivice). On je umro u kavezu a sahranjen je bez familije u dvoristu vikendice kao pseto. Da je Sloba izgubio Srbija bi sigurno prosla bolje (verovatno ne bi mnogo napredovala znacajno ali bar zasigurno ne bi ovako propala - znaci bilo bi bar 10 puta bolje)

Ko je u stvari bio pobednik te 1989? ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:24:45 GMT drug.clan http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: tank man http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586212 a 'glede' slobice, moguce, lako moguce.... ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:15:20 GMT Neven Anđelić http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Re: Dakle, sloboda se stalno vaja .. http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586206 Da li sam slobodan 20 godina poslije?

Mozda je bolje ovako:

Da li sam Slobodan 20 godina posle? ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:09:50 GMT silver bullet http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Uhapšen http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586193 http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#komentari Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:53:39 GMT d_sandic http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/ Dakle, sloboda se stalno vaja .. http://blog.b92.net/text/10154/Da%20li%20sam%20slobodan%2020%20godina%20poslije%3F/#k586173 Da li sam slobodan 20 godina poslije?Nikad niste slobodni. To jest, nikad niste dovoljno slobodni.
Jer:
vreme pred nama je veliki tenk
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Little is publicly known of the man's identity or that of the commander of the lead tank. Shortly after the incident, British tabloid the Sunday Express named the man as Wang Weilin

(王维林), a 19-year-old student[5] who was later charged with "political hooliganism" and "attempting to subvert members of the People's Liberation Army"[6]; however, the veracity of this claim is dubious. Numerous rumors have sprung up as to the man's identity and current whereabouts, but none are backed by hard evidence.[citation needed]

There are several conflicting stories about what happened to him after the demonstration. In a speech to the President's Club in 1999, Bruce Herschensohn—former deputy special assistant to President of the United States Richard Nixon—reported that he was executed 14 days later[citation needed]; other sources say he was killed by firing squad a few months after the Tiananmen Square protests[4]. In Red China Blues: My Long March from Mao to Now, Jan Wong writes that the man is still alive and is hiding in mainland China.

The People's Republic of China government has made few statements about the incident or the people involved[citation needed]. In a 1990 interview with Barbara Walters, then-CCP General Secretary Jiang Zemin was asked what became of the man. The Chinese leader first stated (through an interpreter), "I can't confirm whether this young man you mentioned was arrested or not." Jiang then replied in English, "I think never killed." [sic][7] A June 2006 article in the Hong Kong Apple Daily stated that there are rumours that the man is now residing in Taiwan.[8]

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This event has inspired many references within lyrics and album art - both in political and non-political usages.

The British rock band The Cure, during a concert in Rome on 4 June 1989, dedicated their last encore, "Faith," to "everyone that died today in China." Singer Robert Smith extended the song with improvised lyrics about a person who has a gun held to their mouth and urged to say "Yes" to the question "Do you love me?", but finally refuses to do so. The bootlegged recording of this 15 minute version is known as "Tiananmen Faith". In the same year, Joan Baez wrote and recorded her folk anthem "China" to commemorate the democratic revolt. Billy Joel's history-themed single "We Didn't Start the Fire", released late 1989, mentions the event in the line "China's under martial law."

The song Tin Omen by the Canadian industrial band Skinny Puppy is a reference to this uprising and massacre.

Progressive rock group Marillion wrote a song titled "The King of Sunset Town" that uses imagery from the Tiananmen Square incidents, such as "a puppet king on the Fourth of June" and "before the Twenty-Seventh came". The song was released on their album Seasons End in September 1989.

The band System of a Down referred to the event in the opening lines to the song "Hypnotize", which are, "Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen Square, was fashion the reason why they were there?"

Shiny Happy People by REM is supposedly an ironic reference to a piece of roughly translated Chinese propaganda regarding the massacre, two years before the song was released.[102] The inference apparently relates to how politics is controlled by those with children in powerful positions, not idealistic revolting unhappy students on the ground in Tiananmen Square. The idea that propaganda is often used to cover up stark weaknesses in political systems. The song is mockingly played to encourage unknown political candidates to be upbeat even under fire.

American thrash metal band Slayer released a song "Blood Red" on their 1990 album titled "Seasons in the Abyss", which was inspired by the Tiananmen Square incident. The song includes the lines: "Peaceful confrontation meets war machine, Seizing all civil liberties... No disguise can deface evil, The massacre of innocent people." The same year, another American thrash metal band Testament released the song "Seven Days in May" protesting the Beijing massacre (though the assault on Tiananmen Square took place on 3 June, not in May) on their "Souls of Black" album, including the words: "In the square they play the game, That's when the tanks and the army came... They called the murders minimal, Described their victims as criminals... Dead souls like you and me, Who only wanted free society".

British anarchist pop band Chumbawamba released a song called "Tiananmen Square" on their 1990 album Slap!. The lyrics are built around the fact the People's Liberation Army murdered the people. The Tank Man is also referenced ("You must've seen it, the boy in the white shirt"

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Sinéad O'Connor, on her 1990 album I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got, referenced the killings in her song "Black Boys on Mopeds" with the following opening lines: "Margaret Thatcher on TV, Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing".

British goth rock outfit Siouxsie and the Banshees recorded the song "The Ghost in You" for their album Superstition in 1991. It is about a person who witnessed the massacre returning to Tiananmen Square and remembering the terrible emotions he/she experienced there.

Roger Waters referred to the massacre on the song "Watching TV" from his 1992 album Amused to Death. In 1996, Nevermore released the track titled "The Tiananmen Man" on their The Politics of Ecstasy album. The song is about the Tank Man who famously stood in front of the tanks in the Square. The song "Hypnotize" on the 2005 album Hypnotize by System Of A Down is based on the event.

In 2006 a Chinese folk singer Li Zhi wrote a song titled "The Square", where the sound of bullets and ambulance and voice of TAM mother Mrs. Ding were sampled.[103] In 2007 Hed PE wrote a song entitled "Tiananmen Squared" on their Insomnia album.

Calogero (French singer) also has a song called Tien An Men.

Portuguese band Kalashnikov has a song called Tiananmen Tiananmen. The chorus of the song says "Tiananmen Tiananmen, kill another yellow men"

The Italian band CCCP Fedeli alla linea included a song called "Tien An Men" in their 1990 EP Ragazza Emancipata.
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