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Re: black and white

sting_aka — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:38:30 GMT

sanja_idf
"the one who dangled his child out of a London hotel window" - one stupid act... oh perfect and righteous one, please forgiveNow THIS makes me LAUGH! ONE-STUPID-ACT! - are there any parents here... pf... dangling children? :))))Oh Perfect and Righteous parents who have not yet dangled your children please do it as an hommage to Michael!(though I don't usually use them but: LMAO, LMFAO, ROFL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LMFAO!!!!)

You don't get out much, do you?

Re: In Response to Many Responses

zana_la — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:44:47 GMT

The First Boy: Jordan Chandler and his Family

Evan Chandler, the unloving father of the first boy, Jordon Chandler, was caught on tape saying the following. (Noone in the mainstream media denies the authenticity of this taped call, they just for the most part ignored it.)

The below quotes are from Mary Fisher's 1994 GQ article, a peice of lengthy, thorough, and thoughtful journalism that I'm pretty sure those in the mass media just didn't take time to read. ("He's guilty so why would we waste our time?"

Does this Not Sound Like an Extortion Plot By Chandler's Father and his Lawyer?

Everything's going according to a certain plan that isn't just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy [his attorney, Barry K. Rothman, presumably] is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I've given him full authority to do that."

..."And if I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I've checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. June will lose [custody of the son]...and Michael's career will be over."

Did Not Jordan's Father the Hollywood Dentist Have the Character, Means, Opportunity and Greed to Ensure his Plot Worked?

In the presence of Chandler and Mark Torbiner, a dental anesthesiologist, the boy was administered the controversial drug sodium Amytal -- which some mistakenly believe is a truth serum. And it was after this session that the boy first made his charges against Jackson...says Dr. Resnick, the Cleveland psychiatrist. "People are very suggestible under it. People will say things under sodium Amytal that are blatantly untrue."...

"It is quite possible to implant an idea through the mere asking of a question," says Resnick. But its effects are apparently even more insidious: "The idea can become their memory, and studies have shown that even when you tell them the truth, they will swear on a stack of Bibles that it happened," says Resnick.

Nas je izbor u sta cemo verovati... optuziti nekog za ovakve stvari je na pravdi Boga. Koliko li je samo zlih i preracunatih ljudi u nasoj okolini, koji ne prezaju ni od cega. I koriste ono na sta smo svi najslabiji - decu...
Ja nikog ne ubedjujem ni u sta, ja licno ne verujem ni u jednu od optuzbi - ne ulazeci u raspravu o psihickom stanju i eventualnim problemima MJ.

Re: In Response to Many Responses

angie01 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:46:38 GMT

da, ja iskreno mislim da je ok da on ima kucu kakvu god hoce i u njoj sve kako god je zamislio da bi mu prijalo,..onaj fazon, ja drzim klavir na plafonu,dobro to nije uobichajeno i socijalno prihvaceno, al ovo je moj zivot i ja volim da je on gore.

majkl je isto bio siromashan i sam je zaradio svoje bogatstvo.

ja ne mislim da je bio jak- zato je tako gadno i proshao u svim spornim situacijama.

ovde je vishe problem, ako se ne uklapash, onda si frik.

mislim da su mnoge stvari preuvelichane, kao ona sa bebom na balkonu- shto uopshte nije tako dramatichno.

sve ostalo je na blogu koji sam linkovala- da ne bih ponavljala.

pozzz

Re: In Response to Many Responses

sanja_idf — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:28:00 GMT

ja ti rekoh da sam sve to shto ovde pitash, vec napisala na blogu malo iznad ovog- a isto na blogu B92, koji je napisao glas amerike, evo linka-samo klikni na njega i da me mrzi da to ponavaljam, pa ako si voljna da odesh tamo da pogledash,..shta je to tako dramatichno i neprijateljski?????

Hej, opusti se, my bad --> blog glas amerike... kazem ti, ne blogujem tako cesto, ne znam ni sve teme... mislila sam da je to drugi blog (innocent mistake, kao Michael, razumi me) :)

o svemu shto me pitash i s onim gore komentarom

Nisi mi odgovorila na ono sto sam te pitala u predhodnom postu. Procitala sam vrlo detaljno komentare sa linka, pa evo...

Prosto mi lichi na onaj specijalitet, kada neko komshinicu proglasi za kurvu, pa makar bila i najveca svetica- nikada se nece oprati te optuzbe-ko nije drzao svecu- neka smanji dozivljaj,...mnogo mi je gadana chnjenica, da su roditelji dece pokrenuli takav spor, a onda odustali-zbog love,..pa je l to normalno, da vas neko plati, kako ne bi odgovarao za maltretiranje vasheg deteta-i vi sada vishe niste ogorcheni & besni, a novac za odshtetu + kaznu za pochinioca biste ostavrili da ste istrajali u postupku?!

Ako je komsinica svetica, ljudi ce je definitivno zvati kurvom (bas iz razloga sto je svetica - to je samo malogradjanski duh koga nikako da se otresemo) i tu se ti i ja slazemo (o tome se zapravo radi) - ako ljude gledamo kroz jednu negativnu prizmu, naravno da cemo puno toga moci i da im prilepimo. S druge strane, u mojim komentarima nema negativne prizme za MJa (da li je upotreba srpskog trolovanje ove teme...) - moj stav o njemu mogla si da procitas (gore). Njegova zasluga na polju muzike je neverovatna, ali njegova "ekscentricnost..." mi se LICNO gadi, dakle potpuno je subjektivno, i zasnovano na onome sto "znam" (iz istih izvora kao i ti, a dovoljan je jedan dobar slideshow fotografija i njegovih izjava). Vidi i mnogi drugi su ekscentricni, ali sa "ukusom".
Moj ugao - cini mi se, malo je previse kuknjave nad jadnim Majklom - imao je dovoljno novca i godina da se leci. Puno reci trosimo na to da je on bio zlostavljan, neshvacen - nisu ni deca izbeglice iz Kambodze shvacena i normalna, ni ona nisu imala niti ce ikada imati detinjstvo - i sta cemo s tim!? Mozda je moj problem manjak saosecanja... postujem njegov rad, ali mi dodje malo degutantno kada neko takvo bizarno ponasanje pravda losim detinjstvom... (ja sam dete razvedenih roditelja i samim tim imam pravo da gresim i svalim to na...njih?)

On je jedini koga su braca i sestre "mucili". On je jedini covek koji nikada nije imao PRAVO detinjstvo...

Istina je sasvim dovoljna i sasvim u redu, ne razumem samo cemu idealizovanje - bio je drugaciji zato sto je sebi dozvolio tako nesto i zato sto mu je novac to dozvoljavao! Bio je vrhunski umetnik koji nije bio dovoljno jak da odvoji privatno od javnog. Bio je haotican i hiper-kreativan (u nova rec). Bio je zrtva i nije umeo da se izbori.

Zloupotreba narkotika... kad vidis klinca kako se puca u venu, reagujes na jedan nacin... a kad MJ od crnca postane belac, zezne se pa pusti u Neverland neke klince zeljne svega i gleda s njima crtane filmove pa se posle od stresa sudjenja "puca" vikodinima i demerolom... to je drugo! Drugo je njegovo... dvostruki arsini... a cinjenica je da me je zapravo briga sta je on samom sebi radio. Brine me kako ljudi reaguju na to, brine me ta nasa kultura o pokojniku sve najbolje iz koje hranimo potrebu da je u redu gresiti ako kada umremo neko kaze nesto lepo i zaboravi sve ruzno. Sto bi neki mnogo pametniji od mene rekli: to sto se covek plasi smrti ne opravdava svinjarije koje se dese za vreme posmrtnih ceremonija.

Evo jednog malog teksta iz Liberation-a povodom njegove smrti (zapravo, posvecena mu je polovina prostora u novinama, ali ovaj clanak je cini mi se adekvatan):

Libération, éditorial par Gérard Lefort
Michael Jackson, mort ni jeune ni vieux, avait fait de cette phrase inaugurale son mode de vie. Ce qui vous pose un homme, humain trop humain. MJ n'était ni un monstre ni un extraterrestre. Mais un mutant. C'est à dire notre frére en transes, dont les rectifications successives, comme gravées sur son corps en pénitence perpétuelle par une machine kafkaîenne, annonçaient toutes les metamorphoses contemporaines, leurs folies, leurs raisons, et leurs croisements, qu'ils soient scientifiques, sociologiques et politiques...

Transgresiff, déviant, littéralement, puisqu'il s'obstina jusqu'à son effacement final, à renverser une à une toutes les idoles de lui-meme... fille quand il faisait le garçon, enfantin dans un corps d'adulte, pére de famille accusé de pedophilie, immensément riche et immensément ruiné, vulgaire et classe, clair et trouble à la fois, fidéle et traitre, à son âge, son sexe, son identité.

(ponovljeno pitanje)do you honestly believe it is a normal thing for a 20-year-old, 30-40-50-year-old man (black or white) to have a ranch with all kinds of "candies" for children?!

Cak iako uzmemo u obzir da je on zaista "ostao" na nivou 12godisnjaka... kao sto rece jedna psihijatrica na sudjenju 05.te cini mi se... opet pokrecem ono jedno pitanje: zasto glorifikovati? idealizovati? - njegova muzika je preporucljiva, njegov stil zivota krajnje zabrinjavajuc - ne mogu da progutam da neko kaze da je on bio jaka osoba i da se borio kada je ocigledno ono obrnuto i bas iz tog razloga potrebno je reci istinu! Ne stvarati lazne svece...

Re: In Response to Many Responses

angie01 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:17:06 GMT

Uuu, pogresna Sanja.

ma nije pogreshna, tebi se obracam zbog tvog komentara,

Ovo nije licno, prosto komentarisem, zao mi je ako si stekla drugaciji utisak - komentari nisu usmereni samo ka tebi vec ka svima (na ovoj temi). Trudicu se da te zaobidjem u daljem komentarisanju, mada zaista ne vidim u cemu je problem.

shta sad ovo reche, kakv problem?, kakvo zaobilazenje???

ja ti rekoh da sam sve to shto ovde pitash, vec napisala na blogu malo iznad ovog- a isto na blogu B92, koji je napisao glas amerike, evo linka-samo klikni na njega i da me mrzi da to ponavaljam, pa ako si voljna da odesh tamo da pogledash,..shta je to tako dramatichno i neprijateljski?????

Re: In Response to Many Responses

sanja_idf — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:10:11 GMT

hej sanja, sve sam vec rakla na onom drugom blogu glas amerike

Uuu, pogresna Sanja. Retko blogujem i to radim samo ovde... :) nisam na forumima i zaista ne znam ko si.

Ovo nije licno, prosto komentarisem, zao mi je ako si stekla drugaciji utisak - komentari nisu usmereni samo ka tebi vec ka svima (na ovoj temi). Trudicu se da te zaobidjem u daljem komentarisanju, mada zaista ne vidim u cemu je problem.

Mislim da imas problem sa nekom drugom osobom... sem ako nisam nesvesno usavrsila mesecarsku astralnu projekciju... gotovo sam sigurna da nisam.

(Again, do you HONESTLY believe that all of those people who think he is capable of child-molestation are just mere pessimists and people who take others as negative, evil... - nije pitanje nego objasnjenje predhodnog pitanja... te, dela koji si iz mog posta citirala.)

Voila.

Re: In Response to Many Responses

angie01 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:41:01 GMT

do you honestly believe

hej sanja, sve sam vec rakla na onom drugom blogu glas amerike, o svemu shto me pitash i s onim gore komentarom, mrzi me da pishem opet ili da kopiram, pa pogledaj tamo, ako nije problem,

pozz

Re: In Response to Many Responses

sanja_idf — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:47:17 GMT

The sad thing is, that people always seem to choose the awful version to believe, instead of the bright one! Unfortunately, this is in human nature.

If believing in the bad rather than the good is in the human nature, thus acting in the same manner, I am inclined to believe that the "baby dangler" could have been capable of other atrocities whether it is any of my business or not.

If he had "touched" the children who sued, it is the fault of the parents - I would have never let my child stay alone with a Michael (famous or not!) - Neverland?!

Angie01 - do you honestly believe it is a normal thing for a 20-year-old, 30-40-50-year-old man (black or white) to have a ranch with all kinds of "candies" for children?! Don't you know the old parents' proverb: NEVER TAKE CANDIES FROM STRANGERS! - kinda true you know... there are very bad people who molest, kidnap, extort... like the parents who sued poor MJ - I would have killed him if he touched my children... and the sue myself for letting it happen. He was a white man with the nose of Tinkerbell! :) Cute, true - scary, VERY TRUE!

If the allegation were not true, then M should have thought about why people do that sort of thing to him... you can never be tricked if you don't let it... he was a super star, true. But... there is more to life than very elastic hips and good dance moves.

SILLY RABBIT - TRICKS ARE FOR KIDS! (my signature)

Re: black and white

sanja_idf — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:35:12 GMT

"the one who dangled his child out of a London hotel window" - one stupid act... oh perfect and righteous one, please forgive

Now THIS makes me LAUGH!

ONE-STUPID-ACT! - are there any parents here... pf... dangling children? :))))

Oh Perfect and Righteous parents who have not yet dangled your children please do it as an hommage to Michael!

(though I don't usually use them but: LMAO, LMFAO, ROFL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LMFAO!!!!)

Re: ...

sanja_idf — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:27:03 GMT

He was exquisite, with enough talent for a whole generation, one who could transform existing things and mould them into new ones.
Fragile, sensitive person of colossal strength. Misunderstood and miserable, with a stolen childhood, lost in a search for help.
He was not found guilty – but, just as you can accuse your neighbor of being a criminal, or praise him as a saint, the epithet remains, regardless of the facts.

Sure he was! And surely there are many more molested children who turned out to be famous/"great" people, however, let's not speak of Michael Jackson the person - Michael Jackson the personality, the singer/dancer was awesome - talented, original and unforgetable. MJ the person was a weak man, no matter the reasons... unable to differ life from fantasy, unable to get the grip on his own needs and adapt.

He settled - now why is that? Too expensive for him to pay lawyers... in a way yes, because he couldn't really take care of himself being a compulsive spender... of colossal strength.

Oprah is considered a very successful woman who also happens to be a victim of child-molestation, but you don't see her swinging children over balconies in Berlin.

Michael we love to hate is a product of tAmerican society - a robot in flesh and blood - we should condemn that not glorify because, personally I detest the fact that so many children are dying, that so many won't be able to get education... and a Michael goes into a shop and spends 6 mill dollars on crap! Excuse my exteme point of view.

‘You cannot judge a man till you have walked a mile in his moccasins’

We all walked in Michael's shoes at one point - insecure in our bodies, threatened by the harsh world, under great stress and pressure while striving for success... in the eyes of our family and friends scrutinized and... and... we kinda survived no?! At one point many of us said no! to our parents, to this or that... so, there is a slight possibility that our intelligence, talent, strength and fortutude have to do with what in the end we take to the "grave".

Michael left a lot behind, no doubt that he is now officially immortal (moreover, now that I find myself commenting on the man I sincerly find disturbing) - but for a man who has had such potential and for a man who has in the end died unrealized, undone... I feel no compassion or regret.

Friends with Liz Taylor... bah! What a company...

I am sorry that his death wasn't only in the shades of Olja's death, but, he got there first... I suppose... and more people found his life and work appealling...

(The hypocrisy of the death of icons) brings the sense of fullness to the lives of the mignons (pun intended) before being gobbled down by the travesty of life.

EDIT: (buttons: Sve ok? Objavi) - Nije...

Re: In Response to Many Responses

angie01 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:19:30 GMT

The sad truth of the matter is that we do not nor can ever claim to know the truth about this. We sift through the impressions given us by the media and make our own decisions as to “how we feel” about him. And ultimately how we feel does matter in the least except to ourselves.

The sad thing is, that people always seem to choose the awful version to believe, instead of the bright one! Unfortunately, this is in human nature.

In Response to Many Responses

Chris Farmer — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:42:26 GMT

This is not a court of fact.

I realize fully and unapologetically that my opinion will not nor cannot be shared by all. The life and death of Michael Jackson was played mainly in the media. We have no real facts beyond perception.

The sad truth of the matter is that we do not nor can ever claim to know the truth about this. We sift through the impressions given us by the media and make our own decisions as to “how we feel” about him. And ultimately how we feel does matter in the least except to ourselves.

So what is important? Is it crucial that Jackson dangled the baby in London, Berlin, or Barcelona? Does it matter if the settlement was 15 or 22 million? Does it matter if he was convicted or acquitted in court? We know that the criminal justice system is imperfect and that being found not guilty does not necessarily mean not guilty, although sometime it does.

Ultimately, none of us writing here may claim full knowledge.

What I object to, and I would like to be clear about this, is that we fail in death to separate the man from his work. His work had undisputed ramifications and implications upon the work of many who follow him. He brought something undeniably palpable to music. You can like him or dislike him, but his influence cannot be denied.

But Jackson did not lead the life of a saint and as such to see him venerated does not sit well with me at all. I do not accuse the man of pedophilia – I simply believe that he was connected with it. There is a major difference. My belief is informed by the same media that informs other people’s belief that he was falsely accused. So be it.

CBF

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Pulse — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:27:41 GMT

the reality is that nobody really knows it he really was child molestor or not so I do not think it is right for you to state with complete certainty that he is a pedofile when you cannot be sure yourself. (this remark doesn't reflect my personal opinion on whethere he was a pedo or not)

also sociopath is not a real psychological diagnosis but something much used and created by movies.

I think that people who are moruning his death are those who saw him as a great performer and who greately enjoyed his music.

If we use your argument should we not mourn a loss of James Brown or Frank Sinatra because they were wife bashers?

Re: Best president

background noise — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:22:25 GMT

Only if it was about Michael instead of Chriss vs rest of the world?

Re: ...

background noise — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:21:13 GMT

Too bad they don't burn witches nowadays ha? What a fun would it be?

Re: konacno

background noise — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:18:42 GMT

Jelena lepotice, nemoj da se pridruzujes Chrissovom licemerju!, ne stoji ti komentar iz viceva o plavusama!

I don't buy this

background noise — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:15:54 GMT

You don't believe in more or less world-wide accepted system of values yourself.

So, why are you so angry some people managed to live out of it. I don't think it is about abusing children, or Michael, there is no mutual sin with others in your list ( Elvis, Kennedy etc.)

You just did not manage to live out of the system - something those who did are not guilty for.

Point your anger to something else, look arround, there are many targets arround you!

Re: Well

Predrag Azdejković — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:52:41 GMT

o ožalošćenima sve najgore...

black and white

aka.sting — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:47:33 GMT

"child molester" - ??? not proven, in a court of law

"the depraved sociopath" - yeah, how's that hating bus going?

"the one who dangled his child out of a London hotel window" - one stupid act... oh perfect and righteous one, please forgive

"the one who attempted to surgically alter his skin color making him look like more like a live-action cartoon character than a human being" - how is that your business?

I was just watching "black or white" again... after XX years... STILL VERY, VERY COOL

Thx Michael, RIP

Re: About MJ

ninasimone — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:22:05 GMT

Chris Farmer
Michael Jackson's Big Payoff Agreed to pay $15 million to settle boy's 1993 sex abuse claim JUNE 16--Michael Jackson agreed to pay $15.3 million to settle child molestation charges leveled against him in 1993 by a California boy, according to a confidential legal agreement. [....]Hm... seems a pretty hefty sum. Is innocence really this expensive?

Well, buyers would not exist without sellers.... Yes, he had money to pay off people but the parents ultimately settled the case and let him off the hook. The prosecution had pretty solid case but the parents took the money and let him walk without admitting ANY wrong doing! Obviously, the money was more important than justice for their kid and the oportunity to put a child molester behind the bars. And, when it happened again, it was much easier for lawyers to plant a doubt that the whole thing was nothing more than extortion.
The kids are real victims here, including his own (adopted, concieved with a sperm donor, whathever the case). Their own mothers literally sold them! Like, here's the kid, give me the money, I'm out of here... And, the list goes on and on: agents, producers, family, doctors/drug pushers.... you name it.
Understanding the dark side of human nature doesn't mean we like it or that we condone every stupid and horrible thing people are capable of doing.

On a more humorous side, the Onion remembers Michael

Was it GB Shaw?

Domazet — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:50:29 GMT

Chris Farmer
Michael Jackson's Big Payoff

Agreed to pay $15 million to settle boy's 1993 sex abuse claim

JUNE 16--Michael Jackson agreed to pay $15.3 million to settle child molestation charges leveled against him in 1993 by a California boy, according to a confidential legal agreement. [....]

Hm... seems a pretty hefty sum. Is innocence really this expensive?

As you probably know already, the magnitude is defined by the multiplications of the unit of measure. What do you suggest as the appropriate unit of measure in this particular case. The cost of your innocence? Or maybe mine?

If your post was about our fascination with Rich&Famous (actually, not as rich anymore) then let me remind you of Buddha's words that negative Tanha is Tanha as well...

Re: About MJ

zana_la — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:48:10 GMT

Yes, it is – everyone in his team thought that was the best “damage repair” at the time. They were obviously wrong, because it opened the door for other dollar hungry people…again, you don’t have to agree with me on this. I’m sick of people who are looking for alternative ways (read easy ways) to make money instead of working hard like all other (regular) people.

The People v. Jackson trial began in Santa Maria, California, two years after Jackson was originally charged. During this period the singer became dependent on morphine and Demerol, a dependency which he subsequently overcame. He also suffered from stress-related illnesses and severe weight loss, that would alter his appearance. The trial lasted five months, until the end of May 2005, he was acquitted on all counts.

He learned his lesson, didn’t he? As well as Kobe Bryant and many other stars (yes, Kobe did have sex with that woman, but he didn’t rape her… why would he rape anyone? And, he settled the case because he needed to focus on other things… Will he settle the latest suit against him? I don’t think so…

Chris, you are a media consultant, I know you know better than this…

Re: About MJ

Chris Farmer — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:22:10 GMT

Michael Jackson's Big Payoff

Agreed to pay $15 million to settle boy's 1993 sex abuse claim

JUNE 16--Michael Jackson agreed to pay $15.3 million to settle child molestation charges leveled against him in 1993 by a California boy, according to a confidential legal agreement. [....]

Hm... seems a pretty hefty sum. Is innocence really this expensive?

Re: ...

Spiridon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:47:35 GMT

eizo
Finally, somebody who was not a damn pedophile fan boy...

I agree with you, completely ...

your post is not a Triller

Srđan Mitrović — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:07:52 GMT

it is Bad.

About MJ

zana_la — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:01:18 GMT

Well Chris, you should know better than anybody else here (considering you were actually born and raised in US) how troubled his soul was… He was emotionally disturbed – yes he was, probably in big part because of what his father did to him and to his brothers and sisters…but was he a child molester? I don’t think so – you think differently and that’s ok, but charges against him were never proven. And again – you should know better than anybody else what some people in US are capable of doing to get big bucks. For example – accusing rich people of rape, molestation, or else… I’m sorry, no recommendation for your blog (this time)…You can’t explain Michael and his life with several sentences pretending to do a good analysis. If you want to do a good job, please do. If you are not able to, than please keep it for your self… and here is in my opinion an example of a very good story… I hope you’ll enjoy reading this.

Short but eloquent...

Domazet — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:40:26 GMT

text about the hypocrisy that we express when Famous die. To bad that it was not about the hypocrisy and selfishness that we exercise when we make them Famous. Maybe because that text would have to be a much, much longer one…

Anyway, this is not what I wanted to talk about. I just wanted to say that I am glad that Destiny did not sentence me to live such a life. I hope he found his peace finally.

...

snezana mihajlovic — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:33:55 GMT

The hypocrisy of the death of icons...

...brings the sense of fullness to the lives of the mignons (pun intended) before being gobbled down by the travesty of life.

And in contrast:

We live between birth and death
Or so we convince ourselves conveniently
When in truth we are being born and
We are dying simultaneously
Every eternal instant
Of our lives

We should try to be more
Like a flower
Which every day experiences its birth
And death

And who therefore is much more prepared
to live
The life of a flower

Re: Who's bad

Bili Piton — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:28:42 GMT

ninasimone
The parents of the boys involved in the molestation cases were way too quick and happy to bring their kids to "play" with Michael. WTF?

Bullseye

Re: Who's bad

AlexDunja — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:20:23 GMT

Let's not

Re: Who's bad

ninasimone — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:17:45 GMT

Let's not forget the role of the parents in this sad story - both Michael's and the parents of the boys he molested (allegedly, in spite of our own personal feeling and hunches, we'll never know for sure). The problem with Michael's parents is not that they pushed him to perform as it is hard to stop an incredibly talented child to that, but to make huge piles of money no matter what. The parents of the boys involved in the molestation cases were way too quick and happy to bring their kids to "play" with Michael. WTF? Would you let you child go there unsupervised? Who's the (only) villain here?

...

angie01 — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:12:46 GMT

He was exquisite, with enough talent for a whole generation, one who could transform existing things and mould them into new ones.
Fragile, sensitive person of colossal strength. Misunderstood and miserable, with a stolen childhood, lost in a search for help.
He was not found guilty – but, just as you can accuse your neighbor of being a criminal, or praise him as a saint, the epithet remains, regardless of the facts.
‘You cannot judge a man till you have walked a mile in his moccasins’

Re: Who's bad

AlexDunja — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:29:53 GMT

was like a flame on a candle; it simply burned out. This is where art differs from socially predisposed content of life.

word.

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anonymous_alcoholic — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:05:40 GMT

edit - in our pursuit of accuracy, the baby dangling actually took place in Berlin, I think, not London.

berlin, london....it's all the same to them americans

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Bili Piton — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 14:19:30 GMT

anonymous_alcoholic
that is certainly not true. every single news outlet mentioned every one of this issues.

True. Against better judgement, some of them perversely dwelt upon these too, supposition upon supposition, but then again it was only to be expected, albeit not perhaps to that extent.

Yes, we are caring and loving but we also like to trash, given the slightest chance.

edit - in our pursuit of accuracy, the baby dangling actually took place in Berlin, I think, not London.