Belgrade & Serbia are NOT Synonymous: In Praise of Sombor | B92 Blog http://blog.b92.net/blog/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Rosemary Bailey Brown sr http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss rss@b92.net rss@b92.net Blog A-JE! RSS generator v0.3 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:52:07 +0000 http://blog.b92.net/user_stuff/avatars/mali/247/10247.jpg Rosemary Bailey Brown http://blog.b92.net/ 50 50 Re: I have to compliment you Rosemary, http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k258370
Rosemary Bailey Brown
Actually it makes me a bit nervous. If I get a lot of comments then perhaps people are angry with me (oh dear), and if I don't get many perhaps I'm awfully dull. Blogging in America is different because there are far fewer comments per readership (perhaps one comment per every 100-200 readers, on a good day) and because no one expects the blogger to interact in the comment stream much. However, Serbs are Social as a people, and their blog interaction style is uniquely Serb! It's wonderful but also can be nervewracking.
This is why each Serb thinks their opinion is the most important, and furthermore, as an everage Serb has the opinion on almost everything he hears or sees, naturally he would want to express it.... :) Seriously, we do adore discussing, subject is of less importance... I think this is some kind of unexplainable national vice.... :) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Tue, 20 May 2008 10:05:28 GMT Brunehilda http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k78544 Talking about Your well known or maybe new found love for ecology, I still remember beach flooded with junk on Ada Bojana somewhat before season (so serbian tourists poluted it so badly year before, right? ) and sewer pipe plugged in main bay in Valdanos so You could develop some skin desease swimming there.
Let's say I still remember hotels without hot water in Budva, but admittedly never visited HN. And probably never will.
To everyone I know, I always promote Greece over Montenegro. Greece is also expensive, hot and dirty place filled with MOSTLY lazy and rude people, just like Montenegro, but at least they don't treat You like "brothers" there.
Note that I said MOSTLY, every respect to ones that are not so. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:37:45 GMT MaNdRaK http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Too Pretentious http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k78533 It's just the way they speak.
And having chance to meet and observe lots of people of different nations, I could say freely that Serbs are among loudest alongside Americans, Germans and Spaniards. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:19:27 GMT MaNdRaK http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: I have to compliment you Rosemary, http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k78527
Anytime I go home to visit my parents, I could sleep during whole staying :)
Here in Budapest is not so quiet, hehehh. And also life doesn't stop after midnight.
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:03:28 GMT MaNdRaK http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k77587 ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:06:28 GMT s56a http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k77253
Belgrade is dirty and dreary, I'd rather go somewhere with more to offer.

Maybe you should visit Belgrade more often instead of HN.

Best regards from sunny HN. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:47:15 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k77247
Best regards from rainy Koper


]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:37:29 GMT s56a http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k77213
Only two options really, close the border or get out of here for a couple of months. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:08:17 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k77010 Yes I do feel better now I've off loaded. I think I was definitely traumitised after having to put up with them this summer in particular. Hopefully they'll think it was too expensive here and next year decide to take their old bangers over to Bulgaria or Greece. Then again, they probably don't want them either.
Well.. possibly... but what if... they liked it very much being in Herceg Novi and so they decide, all of them, to come again next year, and recommend it to their friends too? :) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:16:55 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76976 http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:24:23 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76937
RiskyBiz
LOL!!

That's enough for now.

One positive (actually I'm not sure if it's a positive) but I have to tape 'Grand Show' every week and send it to my friend in the UK who is absolutely addicted. She says she's never seen anything like it!
Well if she enjoys it then how can it be negative :)

Otherwise - glad to help your "traumas" about Serbians/Belgrader's publicly stated. I hope you feel better now. Never mind that they are mostly (if not all) prejudices and generalisations. Can't be negative if you feel better now ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:39:38 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76915
That's enough for now.

One positive (actually I'm not sure if it's a positive) but I have to tape 'Grand Show' every week and send it to my friend in the UK who is absolutely addicted. She says she's never seen anything like it! ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:16:34 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Let's summarise http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76811 - Their capital is regarded by the rest of the world as backwater full of rednecks
- Their MPs don't debate - they make monologues in stupidity
- They are not caring parents to their children
- They smoke
- They produce waste
- They drive crap cars
- Their children scream
- They don't spend too much in the evening hours in Herceg Novi
- They rent cheapest rooms in Herceg Novi
- They bring food from Serbia to save
- They are very tight with money and love showing off
- They think they're better than everyone

Anything else you don't like about Serbians and Belgraders and want to point to?
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:00:51 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Tomato Tourists http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76803
Serbians always wonder why noone likes them and the truth is because they always think they're better than everyone else and bore you to death with their boasting. They're also very tight with money and love showing off.

The ones from Belgrade are particularly bad especially when the rest of the world regards Belgrade as a backwater full of rednecks. Just watching those parliamentary debates is enough to shame the whole of Serbia. Actually, they're not debates but monologues in stupidity. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:48:10 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Tomato Tourists http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76796
Also, must be damn easy to have an opinion about how other people raise their children? You don't sound like someone to have own...

Anyway - I'm glad that you joined us, speaking about prejudices. You make this a kind of workshop-style exercise. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:33:38 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Tomato Tourists http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76787
Then they go back to Serbia boasting about their holiday 'na more'.

Believe me, noone needs this kind of 'tourism'. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:11:31 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Tomato Tourists http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76754
RiskyBiz
The only thing Herceg Novi gets from 'tomato tourism' is dirty beaches, old bangers clogging up all the parking spaces and screaming kids.
Well nice of you to promote tourism in your town.

Regarding the importance of tourism for Herceg Novi, these guys are of somewhat different opinion.

Here are some tomatoes for you about what Herceg Novi gets from tourism. Must be peanuts comparing to the Bijela shipyard and agriculture.

Nice that you love children, too. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:08:44 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Tomato Tourists http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76673 http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:13:20 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Nečistoća - drugo pola http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76635 Personally I can't stand the Belgrade accent. I live in Herceg Novi and during the summer invasion that's all you can hear. They also tend to speak very loudly to show off as if coming from Belgrade is something special and treat the locals as if they're an inferior breed.
Like one of my friends always says, there are only a handful of true Belgrade families left. All the rest are 'cigani' who have emigrated from rural Serbia.

"I hate racism almost as much as niggers"?

Try earplugs during the summer. Herceg Novi depends economically pretty much of that invasion called "tourism". ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:19:41 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Too Pretentious http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k76079
The towns in Vojvodina are much more attractive and people friendlier and more civilised. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:20:13 GMT RiskyBiz http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Why I don't like Belgrade as it is http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k75319
As I remember, Milosevic was not turned down by BG but by provincials who had to come there on Oct 5th. Milosevic was turned down by jerks like Velja from Cacak and Zoki Zivkovic from Nis which is big shame to Belgrade, comparing the population of BG and Cacak or Nis.

BTW, we in Nis cleaned up SPS in the year 1996 and we had free media since then while in Belgrade SPS & JUL were in total power many years after.

And one more thing for all of you commenting here, please divide the population of the biggest city in Croatia, or in UK, Germany or France with the total population of the country and do the same for Serbia. When you compare the numbers you’ll see how Serbia is in much worse situation, having such majority of the population in one city.

True patriots if they just were on power and if they existed would move capitol to any other city, like Kragujevac, Nis, or anything, move more industry in Pirot, Bujanovac, Presevo or Subotica and Negotin for example and try to stop the dangerous trend which threatens to degrade our country to Beogradski pashaluk. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:22:25 GMT Filip2412 http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74979
Umetnica
But throwing a hissy fit because Belgrade is capitol of Serbia, and accusing Belgraders of considering themselves "center of the universe" is just plain rude.

Speak for yourself. I don't really see a reason for your fascination with Belgrade, except perhaps local-patriotism. Belgrade loved Milosevich as much as any other city in Serbia. And i received my portion of "ustasha" name-calling there during dark ages - it wasn't as cosmopolitan then.

I never say "i am from Belgrade" out of country. I always say "i am from Serbia" and i don't understand why whould that imply being Orthodox or Slavic or whatever. I certainly don't want to be considerate of prejudices of other people. I do say "i am from Belgrade" in Serbia, because i am from Belgrade - no big lecture there, as in your case.

Umetnica
Maybe it'd be good idea to kick asses of corrupt local politicians/bosses instead of whining and accusing Big Bad Belgrade of being source of all misery in Serbia. Votes from Vracar and Stari Grad didn't bring Milosevic to power.


How about you Belgraders kick asses of your corrupt local politicians/bosses, instead of whining and accusing Big Bad Province of being source of all misery in Serbia? Don't you see how your way of thinking may offend someone from Nis or Valjevo or Novi Sad? Why would you want to do that? I don't see any benefit for you there. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:53:20 GMT Hromi Daba http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74951
BTW: Speaking as a vegetarian, non-Orthodox, non-Slavic (not wasp-either) wife of a Serb, I'd like to thank everyone for making me feel so welcome in your midst. I guess that means most of you are urban Belgraders or Somborians!
The pleasure is all ours - and if you are vegetarian, you can certainly eat lamb (My Big Fat Greek Wedding) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:24:17 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Some other aspects http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74692
I am a Scot and I consider myself to be more European than British. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:02:34 GMT Sharpie http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74550
BTW: Speaking as a vegetarian, non-Orthodox, non-Slavic (not wasp-either) wife of a Serb, I'd like to thank everyone for making me feel so welcome in your midst. I guess that means most of you are urban Belgraders or Somborians! ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:00:40 GMT Rosemary Bailey Brown http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74315
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:46:44 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74206
Are you implying that all the Serbs outside Belgrade are intolerant? Being tolerant has nothing to do with the place where you were born. People tend to think that smaller cities make people narrowminded, but in my opinion, it's all about IQ. If your are smart enough, nothing can stop you realize the right moral values, whatever they are.

No, not at all. I am implying that small towns generate more pressure for people to fit certain profile - white, Serbian, Orthodox Christian. If you don't go to church on Sunday in New York, nobody could care less. If you don't go to church on Sunday in Plainfield, IL you will get quite a few funny looks and will probably give your neighbours something to dish over. In fact, those poor unfortunate souls in Plainfield, IL who would rather sleep on Sunday morning then go to church, still go to church because of pressure from local community. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:17:59 GMT Umetnica http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74126
Umetnica


Umetnica

During 90's, when my country was falling apart, when Serbia was passionately in love with Milosevic and everything natzi-related, Belgrade was safe haven for free thought and resistance. Whenever I travelled, I answered "I'm from Belgrade" and not "I am from Serbia". Maybe I'd have different POV if I was from some other town/village. But I'm not.


OK, I would just like to stress one thing. I'm from Niš, and I'm 22. Although I was pretty young at that time, I do remember year 1996. and massive boycot of state television here in Niš. I do remember going out on the streets in October 2000 and fighting for democratic Serbia. Niš was well known for its huge anti-Milošević population.


Being Serbian means that you have to be of one particular nationality, that you have to be Orthodox Christian and heaven forbid that you are vegetarian or gay.


Are you implying that all the Serbs outside Belgrade are intolerant? Being tolerant has nothing to do with the place where you were born. People tend to think that smaller cities make people narrowminded, but in my opinion, it's all about IQ. If your are smart enough, nothing can stop you realize the right moral values, whatever they are. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:30:45 GMT Miša iz Daleka http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: U tem Somboru svega na volju... http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74123
How do you feel back in USA? I experienced first 22 hours internet failure. Enjoyed sunshine, flea market and hamradio instead.
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:15:17 GMT s56a http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k74060 Votes from Vracar and Stari Grad didn't bring Milosevic to power.

At some point they did. In 1990 or 1991 we had some second "first" democratic election, if I remember correct. But, what I remember very well it's that Milosevic won in Vracar without any doubt. In front of DS I was controller at the voting place. Vuk Draskovic was only serious competition to Sloba.At the DS meeting, before election, Zoran Djindjic, not well known at that time, and still with his pony teil&earing, told us that he is going to vote for Vuk.Not as his supporter, but as only way to make some changes
Sloba won easily!.
At Vracar, at time, in my opinion it was election between "partisans"( from Usce) that Sloba represented and Vuk's "cetniks", that they hated.
Everthing else, I agree with you, umetnice. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:33:13 GMT Spacek http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ You're right, Belgrade IS NOT Serbia http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k73961
During 90's, when my country was falling apart, when Serbia was passionately in love with Milosevic and everything natzi-related, Belgrade was safe haven for free thought and resistance. Whenever I travelled, I answered "I'm from Belgrade" and not "I am from Serbia". Maybe I'd have different POV if I was from some other town/village. But I'm not.

All of my friends from other towns (Krusevac, Nis, Kraljevo, Pirot, Vranje, Petrovac, Negotin etc) came to Belgrade because they were unhappy in their hometowns. Does it mean their hometowns are shitholes while Belgrade is some sort of Xanadu? No, not at all. Belgrade is smelly, there are parts of it that are ugly as sin, traffic is hell, etc. The point is that Belgrade does suit my friends who moved here to live/work/study. Just as it suits me. The same way Sombor suits you, or that Smederevska Palanka suits my another friend who moved there with his family because he didn't want to raise his children in Belgrade.

But throwing a hissy fit because Belgrade is capitol of Serbia, and accusing Belgraders of considering themselves "center of the universe" is just plain rude.

Heck, I couldn't be happier if I saw rest of the Serbia investing and developing local business (like Indjija does). Maybe it'd be good idea to kick asses of corrupt local politicians/bosses instead of whining and accusing Big Bad Belgrade of being source of all misery in Serbia. Votes from Vracar and Stari Grad didn't bring Milosevic to power. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:12:23 GMT Umetnica http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Some other aspects http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k73916
dunjica

And vice versa. I hardly met an English (I am deliberatly not saying British) who would consider her-/himself an European.

Well, they might not like to admit it, but it still won't change the facts. They are a part of European civilization in all its cultural diversity. But let's not get too far away from the subject here, shall we? ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:20:10 GMT Altea http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Some other aspects http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k73910 UK... hm, you don't actually think on UK when you are talking about Euorpean culture - at least not in (continental) Europe.

And vice versa. I hardly met an English (I am deliberatly not saying British) who would consider her-/himself an European. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:58:24 GMT dunjica http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Sombor? http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k73904
Renesansa's beef soup quality has been a kind of reference to me since then, a measurement unit like farad (F) in capacitance (usual capacitor components are expressed in micro and nano farads) :) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:41:29 GMT vucko http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/ Re: Some other aspects http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#k73890
Luc

You're apsolutely right in one point - those Serbian cities cannot compare with Munich or Lyon, but nother can the size of Serbia with the one of France or Germany. I've lived in those countries for a while- Germany is special case because of not really human way of living in berlin after the World War II, but even today it's somthing special to say that you are "Berliner", not really special if you are a "Hamburger" :). As far as France is conciderred you are obviosly not considered with the situation (Paris vs. rest of France)

For your information, I've been living in France for quite some time now and I do allow myself the right to think I know this country and its people rather well. However, I still don't agree with your point of view. It is true that some will consider them to be "better"/"cooler", whatever, because they are Parisians, but they are snobs, and as I already pointed out earlier - you meet that category of people in every country in the world. There are quite many Parisians who don't behave like that at all. (Many of them are not the newcomers. Some newcomers do suffer from "Pokondirena tikva" syndrome, I give you that).
As for Germany, the only very snob attitude I've noticed there during my stays was towards the ex-Easterners who were often looked down on. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/#komentari Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:29:29 GMT Altea http://blog.b92.net/text/1085/Belgrade%20%26%20Serbia%20are%20NOT%20Synonymous%3A%20In%20Praise%20of%20Sombor/