Doris Lessing says it right | B92 Blog http://blog.b92.net/blog/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Nietzsches Aprentice sr http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss rss@b92.net rss@b92.net Blog A-JE! RSS generator v0.3 Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:47:08 +0000 http://blog.b92.net/user_stuff/avatars/mali/411/7411.jpg Nietzsches Aprentice http://blog.b92.net/ 50 50 Re: .... http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k80073 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:43:23 GMT Nietzsches Aprentice http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: .... http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k80021 Da, to je ono kao kad neko stanuje u Pancevu, a na moru prica da je iz Beograda:)) To je valjda vise cool:)
Ts, ts, ts... Bas si nevaljao... Ali znam ja ovde i za gore price. Ima ih koji su kao izbeglice proveli u Beogradu po par meseci dok se (ih) nisu razmestili po svetu, pa kad ih pitaju odakle su nece da kazu "izbosne", nego su svi iz Beograda...
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:17:08 GMT ugly http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: .... http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k80007 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:56:26 GMT nsarski http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: .... http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k80004
Nietzsches Aprentice
Hackensack, NJ. Ali, zbog toga sto je jako blizu Njujorku, niko odavde ne smatra sebe delom Dzersija...

Ha! Tako blizu, a tako daleko



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Trenutno obitavam u blizini Njujorka.



]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:51:19 GMT Nietzsches Aprentice http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: .... http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79820 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:14:45 GMT Ana WithAFamilyNameTooHardToPron http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ .... http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79805 umanjila njihova tragedija vec da bi se podsetili da nisu jedina zemlja na planeti. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:01:01 GMT Nietzsches Aprentice http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Balkanski sindrom http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79748 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:32:57 GMT kuki http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: naslov http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79727 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:03:17 GMT Nietzsches Aprentice http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: Lepo http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79609 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:11:32 GMT Ana WithAFamilyNameTooHardToPron http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ naslov http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79606 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:07:09 GMT Ana WithAFamilyNameTooHardToPron http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: ima http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79600
angie
ona jedna scena kod Mjkla Mura,kada majka poginulog americhkog vojnika prvo agituje za politiku da americhke trupe idu u druge zemlje "da poprave stvar", a posle kad joj strada dete, u tom stravichnom bolu sagledava sushtinu ovakve politike i sav besmisao takvog stradanja.
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:45:45 GMT ivana23 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: u La Repubblica http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79481 kod tebe ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:41:21 GMT stevie http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Doris for Prez http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79476 you have to remember he is a member of a social class which has profited from wars."
Nju za presednika Srbije.

“In revolution there are only two sorts of men, those who cause them and those who profit by them” - Napoleon Bonaparte (i neki kod nas su ovu lekciju bas lepo naucili) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:25:28 GMT ugly http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: ima http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79473 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:17:49 GMT angie http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ ...jer njihovo je carstvo nebesko. http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79471 u tom stravichnom bolu sagledava sushtinu ovakve politike i sav besmisao takvog stradanja.
Niko nista ne sagledava. Kad toce beznin na pupmi duplo jevtiniji nego u Evropi i oblace se u Walmart-u za $50 od glave do pete, nikom nije besmisleno odakle sve to. Ali kada u nekom od tih mnogobrojnih ratova izgube dete, dakle kad ih individulano zasvrbi, onda "sagledavaju sushtinu ovakve politike" i prave se pametni (a i dalje im nista nije jasno jer ce i sledece dete da daju u nekom drugom ili petom ratu). Biti najveci i najjaci mangup na svetu kosta. Sa mesom dobijes koske. Tuzno, ali tako je.

Ali kako onda razumeti ono nase ludilo 90-tih, swpske zemlje su gde god su swpski gwobovi... Nije se ginulo ni za benzin, ni za jevtine krpe, a sigurno ne za ideale slobode ili globalnu dominaciju. Osim toga, Dinastiju "M" nisu izabrali glasaci iz Floride, nego nase komsije i zemljaci. Svaki narod ima vlast kakvu zasluzuje. Svako ima pravo da se krece i da bude kreten. Glupost je ubikvitarna osobina. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:15:09 GMT ugly http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: ima http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79451 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:10:38 GMT nsarski http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ ima http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79448 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:05:35 GMT angie http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ u La Repubblica http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79438 objavljen u NY Times
ne mogu sada da nadjem link
says it all ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:36:08 GMT Jasmina Tesanovic http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: Cuti vs Slusati http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79432
Evo jedan Apprentice, Pikasa (onomad prodat za 105M$).:


A ovo
Nije problem u tome da te neko cuje, nego da li ce da te saslusa
je preciznije:)



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angie
ja se ovde nagledah raznih emisija o 9/11, pa o iraku, pa o Avganistanu, ....i raznim drugim tragedijama na zemlji i sve marketishki obradjene u sasvim razlichitoj ambalazi i intonaciji u zavisnosti da li su napadnuti ili su napadachi.
A nekako u svim sluchajveima oni nevini stradaju.

bas tako Angie
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:04:46 GMT Radojicic http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: Eh, http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79429
Nietzsches Aprentice
moram da pazim sta pisem, nisam racunao na ovakav nedostatak smisla za humor :)

sala bre, al sad si izbacio prosidbu iz naslova pa brisi i ovo nase zezanje
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:03:55 GMT Radojicic http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ hm da, http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79426 A nekako u svim sluchajveima oni nevini stradaju. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:59:13 GMT angie http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: Eh, http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79425 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:56:49 GMT Nietzsches Aprentice http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: Cuti vs Slusati http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79424 U ovoj recenici si lepo sazeo nesto cime je ovaj blog protkan svakodnevno. U pocetku, mislio sam da se ovde pre svega diskutuju aktuelni srpski problemi i stvarnost, te kako naci bolja resenja za Srbiju (ovo je B92 blog, a ne CNN, je l' te). Medjutim, ubrzo sam video da je daleko vise prisutna opsesija americkom politickom scenom uz ne retke izlive mrznje prema "Velikom Satani" (kao da smo na Al Jazeera blogu). No, i to je OK, demokratska diskusija protkana svime sto nas muci. Jasno, americka spoljna politika se reflektuje i na nas, ali i tu postoji razumna granica. Stara izreka kaze - niko nam se ne moze usrati u gace, ako to sami sebi ne ucinimo. Slabo se ovde cuje konstruktivna samokritika, slabo arsin kojim kritikujemo druge primenjujemo na sebe. To je daleko veci problem nego sto se cini i veliki luksuz koji mala Srbija sebi ne sme da dozvoli. Cini mi se da bi bilo daleko konstruktivnije, pogotovo od strane onih koji zive u Srbiji, da svoju energiju, obrazovanje i pamet posvete kritickim analizama danasnje srpske politike i drustva, jer pljuvanjem zapada necemo daleko stici. Pljuvanje radi pljuvanja moze nekom da bude i zabavno, ali na kraju dana sve sto je proizvedeno je - pljuvacka
Potpisujem. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:55:02 GMT marumi http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ ... http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79413
"I always hated Tony Blair, from the beginning," El Pais quoted Lessing as saying. "Many of us hated Tony Blair, I think he has been a disaster for Britain and we have suffered him for many years. I said it when he was elected: This man is a little showman who is going to cause us problems and he did."

"As for Bush, he's a world calamity," added Lessing. "Everyone is tired of this man. Either he is stupid or he is very clever, although you have to remember he is a member of a social class which has profited from wars."

Iran also came in for a lashing from Lessing, who was born to British parents who were living in what is now Bakhtaran, Iran.

"I hate Iran, I hate the Iranian government, it's a cruel and evil government," she was quoted as saying.

"Look what happened to its president in New York, they called him evil and cruel in Colombia University. Marvelous! They should have said more to him! Nobody criticizes him, because of oil."

drugog muza je sutnula pre jedno 60 godina tako da zenidba nece biti problem. Moraces da joj pitas sina, ovog sto vuce lukac i articoku preko ramena

]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:41:10 GMT Radojicic http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Cuti vs Slusati http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79410 danas ti je porebna Nobelova nagrada da bi te neko uopste cuo.
Nije problem u tome da te neko cuje, nego da li ce da te saslusa? Vestina slusanja danas je opala iz mnogo razloga, a jedan od njih je "short attention span" koji savremena zapadna civilizacija sistematski gaji i usadjuje od malih nogu. Ovo je posledica agresivnog potrosackog drustva kome su potrebni ljudi sa kontinuiranom potrebom za instant gratifikacijom, a po mogucstvu sa sto manje obrazovanja. Stepen obrazovanja i sposobnost shvatanja izvesnih koncepata, naravno, nisu uvek i neophodno u direktnoj proporciji, ali mislim da pozitivna korelacija cesto postoji. Slab obrazovni sistem -> slaba sposobnost kritickog misljenja. Kriticko misljenje nije urodjena, vec stecena kategorija, pa samim tim moze da se razvija. Da li jedno drustvo ima interes da na tome radi, je drugo pitanje, a za to ne moramo da idemo daleko, cak u Ameriku. Dovoljno je da se osvrnemo oko sebe ovde. Nama (Srbiji) je danas tako nesto potrebnije nego ikada. Dakle, gde su tu skola, roditelji, mediji? Kakvu ulogu igraju i sta su do sada postigli?

U Srbiji, kao i u Americi, kao i bilo gde (univerzalan princip) ispiranje mozga je vrlo jednstavan nacin da se uspesno vlada. Jedan od bitnih preduslova za to je da se politicki protivnici i disidentsko misljenje marginalizuju. Da li ce neko sutra ujutro kada se probudi da uopste zapamti sta je Doris Lessing ili bilo ko (marginalizovan) imao juce da kaze? Naravno, ne, ali demokratska forma je ispunjena. Idemo dalje... Zato nemojmo da kod kuce gradimo drustvo po takvim modelima, dosta je bilo.

ako si spreman da moralno sudis o drugima, onda moras biti spreman da taj isti arsin primenis na sebe. Elementarna stvar, bliska prostoj pameti.

U ovoj recenici si lepo sazeo nesto cime je ovaj blog protkan svakodnevno. U pocetku, mislio sam da se ovde pre svega diskutuju aktuelni srpski problemi i stvarnost, te kako naci bolja resenja za Srbiju (ovo je B92 blog, a ne CNN, je l' te). Medjutim, ubrzo sam video da je daleko vise prisutna opsesija americkom politickom scenom uz ne retke izlive mrznje prema "Velikom Satani" (kao da smo na Al Jazeera blogu). No, i to je OK, demokratska diskusija protkana svime sto nas muci. Jasno, americka spoljna politika se reflektuje i na nas, ali i tu postoji razumna granica. Stara izreka kaze - niko nam se ne moze usrati u gace, ako to sami sebi ne ucinimo. Slabo se ovde cuje konstruktivna samokritika, slabo arsin kojim kritikujemo druge primenjujemo na sebe. To je daleko veci problem nego sto se cini i veliki luksuz koji mala Srbija sebi ne sme da dozvoli. Cini mi se da bi bilo daleko konstruktivnije, pogotovo od strane onih koji zive u Srbiji, da svoju energiju, obrazovanje i pamet posvete kritickim analizama danasnje srpske politike i drustva, jer pljuvanjem zapada necemo daleko stici. Pljuvanje radi pljuvanja moze nekom da bude i zabavno, ali na kraju dana sve sto je proizvedeno je - pljuvacka.
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:35:16 GMT ugly http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: Eh, http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79406 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:29:49 GMT nsarski http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Re: Eh, http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79404
Nietzsches Aprentice
Sad me ni Sava ni Dunav ni Hadson nece oprati :)
Haaahaaa,
there is East river, too:))) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:25:10 GMT nsarski http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Eh, http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79403 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:22:55 GMT Nietzsches Aprentice http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Bas je cool http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79387
Konferencija za stampu po dobijanu NN. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:59:40 GMT ivana23 http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/ Nego, salu na stranu, http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#k79383 Sve sto je Doris rekla je da ako si spreman da moralno sudis o drugima, onda moras biti spreman da taj isti arsin primenis na sebe. Elementarna stvar, bliska prostoj pameti.
Zanimljivo je da su slicnu poruku, formulisanu na ovaj ili onaj nacin, imali i Pinter, i Mendela, i Asturias, i Pamuk, i ovaj mutavi Gore - "car je go!". Reci istinu "sili" je velika hrabrost danas. I, uopste, taj koncept "speaking truth to power" je izuzetno zanimljiv - jednom sam imao priliku da slusam izlaganje jednog Kineza sa pekinskog univerziteta o tome. Maestralno. Kako imperatoru reci da je glup (pravi gluposti)? Pa, ocevidno, danas ti je porebna Nobelova nagrada da bi te neko uopste cuo.
A za Doris? Pa, ne znam da li bih je bas zenio, ali dama je cool.
Ovo ce pre biti pravi match:

Chinese Man, 106, Marries Woman, 81
Call it a November-December romance. A 106-year-old man and an 81-year-old woman were married in a city in southeastern China, a state news agency reported Saturday.

Pan Xiting met his bride Chen Adi eight years ago, and she has taken care of him since then, the Xinhua News Agency reported. Their former spouses died years ago. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/#komentari Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:56:24 GMT nsarski http://blog.b92.net/text/1170/Doris%20Lessing%20says%20it%20right/