http://blog.b92.net/blog/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ Hugh Griffiths sr http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss rss@b92.net rss@b92.net Blog A-JE! RSS generator v0.3 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:23:48 +0000 http://blog.b92.net/user_stuff/avatars/mali/671/4671.jpg http://blog.b92.net/ 50 50 http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k181571 http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:03:24 GMT Николa Смоленски http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k179012

badreligion

There are some quiet and disgusted people here as well, you know.
Yes, those are traditionaly known as fence-sitters. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:27:15 GMT Umetnica http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k177582 http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:12:05 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k177323 My point is that I'm tired of having to explain to my mates that majority of Serbia are people who would actually prefer not to care about who the PM is, and to be just left in peace. To that extent, I don't think either group of demonstrators represent the true face of Serbia. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:40:28 GMT badreligion http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k177220
The problem is, is that your deeply unpopular prime minister has made it black & white: "Kosovo or the EU" as he has become fond of saying.

I would agree with you that in Serbia today, there are many shades of grey and many degrees of ambiguity beyond them. The reality is not a matter of the simple stereotypes presented in domestic or international media.

But the demonstrations to which I refer have largely resulted from top-down driven rhetoric from politicians who think they can capitalise on a situation. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:57:12 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k177215 The footage http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=76338&videoChannel=1 does not do justice to the number of neo-nazis

Umm, it does not show any, and there really weren't any?

I haven't participated in the demonstrations, but I saw them, and I haven't notice any neonazis, and certainly there were more than 1000 people. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:55:30 GMT Николa Смоленски http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k177200 I just wonder why do all the foreigners see us Serbs so black and white? It seems one has to shout his head off or blow his bollocks through the wistle to be heard... There are some quiet and disgusted people here as well, you know. Those are people who are pro EU and against independent Kosovo. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:43:54 GMT badreligion http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k177001 I think the majority of the audience are truly sick & tired with posturing politicians. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:44:48 GMT Jelena Pavlović http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176597 I think the marjority of the audience are truly sick & tired with posturing politicians
Probably !
But, then you have another issue. Who is doing the surveilance of those different crowds in Serbia ?
Fits or misfits ? ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:41:48 GMT Ninoslav Randjelovic http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176580 The first, on the February 11 would not look out of place in any European capital: a civic procession with peaceful purpose, smiling faces but a serious message, cheerful whistles and drums, good humour and witty posters.
thanks :) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:30:07 GMT KafaJeGotova http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176573 http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:23:34 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176569

Ninoslav Randjelovic

So, that is what is going on in Serbia... Who is the audience? Fits or misfits ? Or both ?
I'd rather say that those misfits were having fits
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:22:11 GMT adam weisphaut http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176556 http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:05:41 GMT Ninoslav Randjelovic http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176491
that's what I've supposed ... but I wasn't sure.

]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:47:21 GMT edi-va http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176481
German for "task forces" or "intervention groups" were paramilitary groups formed by Heinrich Himmler and operated by the SS before and during World War II. Their principal task, in the words of SS General Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski at the Nuremberg Trials, "was the annihilation of the Jews, Gypsies, and political commissars."[1] They were a key component in Hitler's plans to implement his "final solution of the Jewish question" (German: Die Endlösung der Judenfrage) in the conquered territories.

Formed mainly from men of the Ordnungspolizei, the Waffen-SS and local volunteers and led by Gestapo, Kripo, and SD officers, these death squads followed the Wehrmacht as it advanced eastwards into Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. In occupied territories, the Einsatzgruppen also utilized local populations to provide additional security and manpower when needed. The activities of the Einsatzgruppen were spread throughout a large pool of personnel from different branches of the SS and German State.

According to their own records, the Einsatzgruppen operatives were responsible for killing over one million Jewish people, almost exclusively civilians, without judicial review and later without semblance of legality (no reading of sentences of martial or administrative law), starting with the Polish intelligentsia and quickly progressing by 1941 to target primarily the Jews of Eastern Europe. The historian Raul Hilberg estimates that between 1941 and 1945 the Einsatzgruppen, along with the SS, murdered over 1.3 million Jews in open-air shootings. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:33:47 GMT Jelena Pavlović http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176477 http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:31:42 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/ http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#k176468 Looking at this, it is not hard to see why Arkan's einsatzgruppen recruited

interesting ... why did you use a german word? ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/#komentari Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:22:00 GMT edi-va http://blog.b92.net/text/2251/Crowd%20surveillance%3A%20A%20tale%20of%20two%20Serbias/