Vojo’s broken record | B92 Blog http://blog.b92.net/blog/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Hugh Griffiths sr http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss rss@b92.net rss@b92.net Blog A-JE! RSS generator v0.3 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:42:31 +0000 http://blog.b92.net/user_stuff/avatars/mali/671/4671.jpg Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/ 50 50 Re: facts? http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k205009 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:45:39 GMT badreligion http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: achievments http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k204784 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:06:50 GMT Trica http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: I don't see the problem :-) http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k204317
George Costanza

my favorite episode :)))))))) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:57:03 GMT Brooklyn http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: I don't see the problem :-) http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k204254
schneetzla
Who has, in the history of mankind, managed to achieve the absolute opposite of every single thing he said will never be?

George Costanza
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:34:00 GMT Porfirio Rubirosa http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: facts? http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k204234
To say that in Serbia market economy kicked in...one should know something about serbia and something about market economy.
Serbia under Kostunica went much further toward feudalism than towards market economy.
In a market economy, you can not have a bunch of Milosevic cronies laundering the money stolen in the nineties by purchasing huge tracts of the economy with the help of Kostunica. As it is, the people of Serbia are paying the same goods for the 6th time: Once they worked in the nineties and got taxed. Secondly, they saved the taxed money in bank accounts which Milosevic simply stole from them. Thirdly, Milosevic emptied all the pension funds and company accounts, state revenue accounts, moved most of the money abroad.
Than he gets the country bombed, and the people have to pay for reconstruction.(Paying for same things the 4th time)
Than the money already stolen is put in off-shore company accounts, and channelled back into Serbia.
Companies to be privatised are stripped of assets, so the price us reduced, and the "Oligarchs" by them on the cheap - with the money stolen from the people (This means paying the same thing for the fifth time).
Than the company aquired by the oligarchs, sells goods to the people at highly inflated prices, and they pay for them the sixth time. They (the oligarchs) can do this because Kostunica allows them a monopoly, and stops any legal action against them. Kosovo has nothing to with it. And thats why we DO NOT NEED KOSTUNICA.

]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:07:15 GMT janos http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: facts? http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k204183 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:03 GMT badreligion http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: facts? http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k204130
1) Vojo was always against Slobo's extradition. In 2000 and in 2001. He promised Slobo in front of a Russian diplomat that he would never be extradited. He had neither the courage to extradite Slobo, nor the competence to stop it from happening.

2) The DSS actively held up the reform of the security services,, enjoying a relationship with military security service and, at the very least, flirting with elements from Zemun/JSO/DB. As president of Yugoslavia, our Vojo kept Aco Tomic, Nebosja "liberate Kosovo" Pavkovic, in position, and blocked removal of Rade "Ibar Highway" Markovic . Aco Tomic continued to be represented by Kostunica's "human rights adviser" Gradimir Nalic who happens to be cum to the current head of secret police and was "collecting Tomic's mail for him" when that guy was in jail. Look at the faces of Aco etc. to get a sense of what these men were about.

3) Kostunica and the DSS supported the efforts of the anti-independence camp in Montengro. Our Vojo even went as far as to present the EU mediator, Lajcak, with a CD containing the names of more than 200,000 "Montenegrins" living in Serbia who DSS thought should be included in Montenegrin election. Ahem. Kostunica's transformed security forces compiled this CD, taking a well-deserved break from cracking down on Velimir Ilic's highway contracting bizness, no doubt.

4) Dispute Kosovo's independence if it makes you happier. Because life is short and we should try to enjoy ourselves without hurting others. But you seem like an educated type, so I'd suggest you stay away from "disputers" who gather to chant "death to Albanians" and sport "Ratko Mladic: Serbian Hero" t-shirts. It's a bit of an ugly vibe and not many people feel comfortable with their adherence to the rule of law. Perhaps you can join the DS, they seem more civilised in their disputations. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:10:28 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ facts? http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k204093
1) In 2000, it would possibly cause a civil war to extradite Milosevic, after such a narrow win at the October 5th elections. 6 months later, after DOS gained full control of the institutions, it was as inevitable as when Kostunica took the power, so his statement was made just to buy time until the situation calmed down. I don't think even Kostunica's enemies can claim that he had any kind of a deal with Milosevic. He might've been against the extradition, but he knew he was powerless stop it.

2) The transformation of security services was one of the reasons why Djindjic was assasinated in the first place, but do keep in mind that it was DS, not DSS who were transforming the security. DSS was not a part of the govt.

3) As a Serbian PM, there was nothing Kostunica could've done to preserve SCG after the referendum in Montenegro.

4) Kosovo might have proclaimed the independence, but until it is fully recognized by the UN, it will remain only as a disputed region, the likes of turkish Cyprus or Taiwan. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:22:16 GMT badreligion http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ The Spooky Man is... http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203977
I mean, his FINAL farewell is the least I could expect. In fact, it wonders me how could he even keep up for so long ?!!?

Everything he has EVER said for the last 7 years was just senseless and further from truth than I am from the Mars.

...but I cannot resist, I have to point one out:
I do not care about my political career.


...It's f...ng hilarious. Couldn't fool my grandmother with that ;-)))))) ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:38:33 GMT johanna29 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: you are wrong http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203954 LDP gave maps to hooligans? This is the best one. It just needs some explanation....How come the hooligans needed a map to find MacDonalds on Slavia and Terazije? Or to find the embassies that were attacked?Were they all from the provinces?The televised pictures of hooligans attacking embassies do not show any of them studying maps to find the target.But they show demonstartors being herded by plain-colthes policemen with walkie-talkies.It also shows there was no police protection at the embassies...Are you saying LDP has removed them?
It also shows police Hummers arriving with just a driver, without policemen in them...LDP removed those as well? So who is commanding the police while Mr Kioskovic is in hospital? The LDP?
And yes, the comparison with Hitler burning the Reichstag is correct.That is exactly why you are blaming the LDP! ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:57:51 GMT janos http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: you are wrong http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203882 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:20:42 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: you are wrong http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203806 ldp gave maps to the hooligans (similarly, hitler burned reichstag first, then blamed jews, remember?). ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:48:23 GMT Botos http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: you are wrong http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203803 LOOKS LIKE KOSOVO WILL BE SERBIA (AS IT ALWAYS WAS AND WILL BE) AS SOON AS YOU GONE. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:43:52 GMT Botos http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: I don't see the problem :-) http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203710 At the time, the logic was to go with the lesser evil, as is always the case with elections (why are Hillary and Obama
)))

Or that, yes. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:56:22 GMT schneetzla http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: achievments http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203694

Maybe he should have continued doing impressive work in the Institute for Social Reserch.At least he would have neen able to think of himself as a successful researcher. This way, history will remember him as an inept politician. If he gets remembered, at all. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:50:46 GMT janos http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: you are wrong http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203671 Kosovo is not independent.

Yes of course, independent of us.
For them that`s enough. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:33:23 GMT Dolybell http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: you are wrong http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203602
It's Voja (Vojo) who's been uncivilised, waving Kalashs down in Kosova (Kosovo), and then inciting people to destroy property in Belgrade last month. Guy's a loser, get a life.

]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:49:42 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ you are wrong http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203545 Mr Vojislav Kostunica is not Vojo for you. Stop being uncivilised.
Second, you state, probably with a wide smile, that Kosovi is independent state. I say: It's not true,
Kosovo is not an independent state. If it is unlawfully recognised by twenty countries (out of almost 200) and if there are no chances to get into the UN, then Kosovo is not independent.
Stop doing false assumptions.
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:25:07 GMT vladimir petrovic http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: achievments http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203282 was a landmark for its time.
Sadly, both authors have had less than stellar careers (what a euphemism!) as politicians. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:14:36 GMT Trica http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: Remeber him http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203279 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:12:45 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: I don't see the problem :-) http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203272 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:08:04 GMT Trica http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Vo http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203192
Here are some more quotes from Vojo:

"There is no better landmark than the EU”

"Yugoslavia has turned to its future and to improving relations, both bilateral and multilateral relations, ... That is very important for us.”

“According to our count ... victory is certain. Dawn is coming to Serbia. I'm excited.” - again a blatant lie as he can't feel anything ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:08:38 GMT The sushi club http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: achievments http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203125
Neither... he should'nt come,he should GO!
But anyone thinking that we have seen the last of "Mr Kalimero Uninformed" could be in for a bit of a surprise.
The rumour on the forums is that the only reason why he goes to the polls is that he must have made a deal with the radicals. If such a combination is happening, we are going to have yet another hibryd monster born from the marriage of " a crazy one and of a confused one" ( J*** lud zbunjenog!)

]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:01:47 GMT janos http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: Just one thing.... http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k203053
Dušan Maljković
You have obviously forgotten one fact that should be underlined in this "chronicle of the ridiculous" -- Vojislav Koštunica was brought to power by the vast support of so called Democratic Opposition of Serbia (DOS). At that time he was the right counter-candidate for Slobodan Milošević, regardless of his notorious nationalistic past -- he was "mr Kalašnjikov" on the October 5th as much as he is now. Koštunica became president after the Parliament has been burned and pillaged and the symbol of the "revolution" became Džo Bageraš waving his “četnik” flag that had two words on it "Ravnogorski pokret"! So, if the ideology of ethnic cleansing and Great Serbia was acceptable to those who stood behind him why are they now against it when they knew who they were installing and what the consequences might be? The only answer I can come up with is this -- they supported mr Kalašnjikov since he was the only one who could defeat Milošević, so greed for power stood behind proclaimed "ideals of democracy" not to forget the most of them shared his nationalistic ideology or were even more nationalistic. So, they are to be blamed for the Koštunica's politics as much as he is, since they supported one nationalist over another, even though Milošević was never as nationalistic as Koštunica is.

At the time, the logic was to go with the lesser evil, as is always the case with elections (why are Hillary and Obama both better than Bush? because they are lessers evils, not because they are completely good).
Even then, in 2000 - and I voted for DOS - I didn't like Kostunica, but I did like Nenad Canak, and Vesna Pesic and Goran Svilanovic and Zoran Djindjic. It was not about bringing Kostunica to power, but about defeating Milosevic. Kostunica, de facto, is a lesser evil. An evil nontheless, but politics is never so simple, is it? There are no right answers, just more appropriate ones; acceptable ones.

To blame Canak or Djindjic or Jovanovic for what Kostunica did is an error in reasoning. Or at least bizarre and, well, immature political thinking. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:36:49 GMT schneetzla http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ congratulations http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202992 Thank You very much. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:20:35 GMT stame http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Just one thing.... http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202986 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:11:33 GMT Dušan Maljković http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: Well http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202970 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:19:00 GMT Vasa S Tajcic http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Question? http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202964 http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:04:21 GMT asterix http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: Remeber him http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202957 And he loves cats, too.
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:57:41 GMT adam weisphaut http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Remeber him http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202937 But while you're gearing up for your final act, if I've missed out anything noteworthy from your long, illustrious career - witticisms, achievements, favourite sayings, jokes, preferred historical figures/colours/sporting heroes/aftershave etc. - I invite your many admirers to post comments here.



Remember him as someone who was as serious and observant as an owl. Some of us called him an owl-man, I know, I did. Sloba could be Slobo, but Voja is the only one, with an A, better yet, Koshtun, Koshtunjavi, you name it...
He was such a humble man who has chosen to remain in his own apartment while a prime minister. He wasn't humble lately. He tried to fly high, but flew over the...And he loves cats, too. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:37:50 GMT Jelena Pavlović http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Waiting... http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202901

So far all the comments posted are those in support of Vojo/a's resignation... You think somebody will show up to lament his grand exit?


]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:52:56 GMT AidaPalestine http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: Wildest dream http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202898
toltek
How do you spell "cenzus" in english?Threshold
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:47:25 GMT Ivan Marović http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: I don't see the problem :-) http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202889
Hugh Griffiths
Hmm, that sounds pretty neuro to me. But perhaps he is too far gone for anything less.Your friend is the expert, but speaking as a layman, couldn't we try some cognitive therapy first? That, coupled with some "community care" somewhere in the Balkans might work. I just don't know. Depends a bit on the community, I suppose.The one thing I am sure about is that this course of "prime minister" treatment seems to be doing more harm than good. Too much space for exhibitionism etc.
Cognitive therapy is used most effectively for anxiety disorders, whereas for shcizophrenia and florid psychotic disorders, psychotherapy of any kind is practically useless until his delusions and hallucinations are reduced with medication.

Maybe behavioral therapy - someone should beat the living shit out of him. It wouldn't help Voja much, but it would make the rest of us feel great. :))
]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:27:12 GMT schneetzla http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Re: achievments http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202844
But seriously, in defence of Vojo, I think that one of Kostunica's greatest achievements that he mentioned was so important to him in that BBC interview is his contribution towards "stability and peace in the Balkans".

I am sure that as we speak, the PMs office is being deluged with telegrams from people in Bosnia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia, Croatia etc. praising his commitment to healing the wounds of the past through his progressive collaboration with the orthodox church. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:08:16 GMT Hugh Griffiths http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/ Wildest dream http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#k202842 That will be the only dream our dear Prime minister will have.
Well, dream on, Mr. I_do_not_care_about_my_political_career!

Census is so far and unreachable for you!
I hope you will enjoy living in Belanovica.

Good bye, we never liked you. ]]> http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/#komentari Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:06:11 GMT toltek http://blog.b92.net/text/2506/Vojo%E2%80%99s%20broken%20record/