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				<title>Re: and..wtf is this?</title>
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						Teano,<br />
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that load of crap wasn't posted by the merciful angel, he quoted a British supremacist called Brian Reade and you can find his racist rant on mirror.co.uk, where you will also find my posts (serbissimo) in a fiery debate that came to an amicable end thanks to my perseverance and the passionate albeit not always helpful support of one Draza Mihailovic. Obviously, milosrdni too is appalled as his w(hat) t(he) f(uck) is this headline suggests. Uhuru for Maasai. 					]]>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:29:53 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>Red Devil</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: and..wtf is this?</title>
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						<br />
Grab a Valium man, you're eyes are poppin' out with all that anger in yer.<br />
Imagine all the people...					]]>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:04:33 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>tnosugar</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Nick mate,</title>
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						oh my, so true.<br />
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and i think the....<br />
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Zulu<br />
Kikuyu<br />
Hindu<br />
Pakistani<br />
Iroquai<br />
Maori<br />
Iraqi<br />
Innuit<br />
Cymraeg<br />
and the list goes on...<br />
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would subscribe to that.<br />
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:02:51 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>tnosugar</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Across the Atlantic Pond</title>
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						If we were to trace back the origins of 'win at all costs', I'm afraid we'd be getting back to Adam Smith, Henry the Nth and European mercantilism in general.<br />
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The US just applied the philosophy... and perfected it.<br />
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You're just sour cause there's no more Empire <img src='/gfx/emoticons/wink.gif' alt='' />					]]>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:56:33 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>tnosugar</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Znate da sam ponosna na nas!!!</title>
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						uh gresis, mislim da mark pullen bolje govori srpski nego ti engleski					]]>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:51:33 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>tnosugar</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Press coverage</title>
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						actually it was your national public broadcaster that relayed Derbyshires statement saying 'we all know what kind of  country/people' those players come from.<br />
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Now, that is racist and coming from BBC it is hypocricy as well.					]]>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:49:14 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>tnosugar</dc:creator>
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				<title>and..wtf is this?</title>
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						GO DUTCH TONIGHT <br />
Brian Reade 23/06/2007 <br />
JUST a few words for you to remember if you're watching tonight's Under-21 final between Holland and Serbia: &quot;Wilhelmus van Nassau benik van duitschen bloed. De vaderland getrouwe ben ik tot in de doed. Een prinschen van Oranje ben ik vrij onverveerd, de koning van Hispanje heb ik altijd geeerd.&quot; <br />
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That's right, it's the Dutch National Anthem. Sing it loud. Sing it proud, I know, like me, you want them to triumph. Who doesn't? The Serbs fans are racist enough as it is. But were they to win the mighty double (in their eyes) of Eurovision Song Contest and European Under-21 Championship, imagine how superior to other races those Aryan sons of Milosovic would feel? Come on you Dutch.<br />
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Decidedly U are nations of idiots					]]>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:56:19 GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re: Citizenship</title>
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						On another issue I might agree its important to establish the nuances involved (ie I see no reason why Serbia should always be targetted when some of those supporters are Bosnian, Croatian or born in other countries) but not in this case as charges were not brought against these people.<br />
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Its pretty normal that a country might be the target of foreign media attacks when those that support that country behave in an unlawful way. Even more so if that country has a record of hooliganism. The fans of English clubs competing in Europe this season experienced some pretty rough treatment because of past behaviour of English supporters.<br />
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But although this does not seem to apply to the case we are discussing, there is a responsibility that many people dont know (or think) about. Teams such as Zvezda and Partizan subsidise a certain number of their fans from Serbia to go to away games (in Europe etc). That type of thing is exactly why clubs should be fined if the goons behave badly.<br />
On the other hand supporters associations often try to blackmail clubs into granting them special favours. I wonder what made Partizan supporters back down earlier this season? Probably nothing good.<br />
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I dont see how the Dutch can be responsible for chants at a football match or what goes on the pitch between England and Serbia. What amazes me is how few people blame the referee in this case - choosing instead to make this a Serbo-English war of sorts.<br />
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Remind me didnt a war in the Americas begin after a football match. And dont we know too well where the initial militiamen were hired from when Yugoslavia broke up... Yeah, sporting rivalry is fun but lets not forget the past and what kind of atmosphere can be created with the kinds of statements seen in recent days.<br />
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:47:29 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>bganon</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Across the Atlantic Pond</title>
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						And Derbyshire's comments after the game ?  (&quot;We all know what kind of country they are...&quot<img src='/gfx/emoticons/wink.gif' alt='' /> Should I as an American state that centuries of English colonialism and racism produces such attitudes where a young Englishman can utter such blatent remarks ? <br />
Americans did not invent competitiveness and the English did not invent Racism, nor did the Serbs invent either. <br />
These are all Human traits... Im personable with Derbyshire cause he's the bastard that did this.... Im not spreading blame on American influences and his Grenadier Guard grandfather fighting in the Bore wars or what-not.... <br />
And I absolutely agree with you ... Englishness is a construct of foreigners... As is Americanism ... As is any stereotype.... me'thinks. 					]]>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:44:15 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>Solomon</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Across the Atlantic Pond</title>
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						Americans <i>are t</i>he ones that invented win at all costs. I remember watching a show on Discovery in which American contestants shouted at each other and generally tried and put one another off whilst their opponents attempted to balance on some beam. I was shocked and realised why. I had never seen such behaviour in England. Excessive competitiveness breeds to need to win at all costs.<br />
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As far as commercialisation is concerned I wasn't actually laying the blame on the US, others are equally guilty.<br />
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Destruction of culture: I didn't touch that one and I think you were reading too much into what I had to say. I think that Englishness is largely a construct of foreigners as we aren't really all like the stereotype and some of us try not to be.<br />
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As for Derbyshire, you were a little too personal me'thinks.<br />
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:50:48 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>Nicholas Comrie</dc:creator>
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				<title>Subjective</title>
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						I agree that in these kinds of situations it is difficult to be subjective, but I think that the press in both countries went a long way to destroy subjectivity in support of sensationalism. As bganon rightly stated a mountainwas made out of a mole hill and it is not something either side should take with them in the future. If Argentina and England can have a match without incidents these days...<br />
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As far as passion for the game here in Serbia is concerned, the short-fall is due to greater successes achieved in other sport fields (tennis, basketball, waterpolo) but also because of the relatively low-level of commercialisation. Last year I couldn't even find myself a Serbian football shirt. <br />
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And yes I am a fan.					]]>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:38:25 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>Nicholas Comrie</dc:creator>
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				<title>Citizenship</title>
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						Well, I think it's rather important to find out whether the Serbian fans in the stands are Dutch citizens. If they are (and if they had not come from Serbia / with the team to see the game), then they are the responsibility of the Dutch authorities. I'm sure Holland has an anti-racism law. Of course, for the sake of the argument, we will assume that they did use racist slurs or were making monkey/gorilla gestures/sounds.<br />
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Why would the Serbian national team be responsible? Guilty by <i>ethnic association</i>?<br />
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I find it ridiculous that 100% of the blame for all the mess (racism, lack of fair play, fist-fighting, spitting) has been leveled at Serbia and England, yet <b>NONE</b> at the host - Holland. As far as I know, the host has to take responsibility for the smooth running of whatever sporting events they take upon themselves to organize, no?					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:13:02 GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Nick mate,</title>
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						it's not the lack of fair play by the English that infuriates people; it's the blatant English cynicism in playing dumb and calling Derbyshire's act perfectly legitimate while there would have been an uproar had Serbia scored with an English player down injured, in which case we would have been happily branded as a nation of cheats like we are now being called a racist country by your tabloids. It's the &quot;we are so superior&quot; thing showing its ugly head again and people here are not blind. On the other hand, there is no excuse for what those racist idiots did and I would dearly love to see them in a cage next time they do a monkey chant; however, painting the whole of Serbia with that brush is a bit rich from a nation that practically invented racism as we know it.  					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:33:16 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>Red Devil</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: That Derbyshire is a bastard.</title>
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						Topic is about fair play...if some1 open new thema about football fans we will talk...					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:11:46 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>milosrdni andjeo</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Di nadje ovo izvinjenje? </title>
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						ar ju toking tu mi?:)<br />
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http://www.b92.net/sport/fudbal/vesti.php?yyyy=2007&amp;mm=06&amp;dd=21&amp;nav_id=252304					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:08:15 GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Di nadje ovo izvinjenje? </title>
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						Da i ja vidim:)					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:04:41 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>MMMila</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Some new moment</title>
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						mislim da bi trebalo i mi njima da se izvinimo...<br />
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				<dc:creator>zero</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: That Derbyshire is a bastard.</title>
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						well, our fans have shown us in that light. what thay yell in every game (remember helsinki) is unthinkable in england today...					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:38:28 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>zero</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Znate da sam ponosna na nas!!!</title>
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						Nije sudija vid'o!<br />
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:06:07 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>MMMila</dc:creator>
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						Apologize by president of FA England...<br />
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Predsednik Fudbalske federacije Engleske Džefri Tomson razgovarao je jutros sa prvim čovekom našeg fudbala Zvezdanom Terzićem i izvinio se zbog žestokih reakcija i nekorektnih izjava koje su usledile nakon duela Engleske i Srbije. Reprezentativci Engleske su žestoko optuživali naše navijače, ali i neke igrače, zbog rasizma, što je izazvalo dosta revolta u našem timu, a izrečene su čak i uvrede na račun našeg naroda i države.<br />
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Prema rečima Terzića, Tomson se izvinio zbog takve reakcije, jer smatra da ona nije bila primerena i da se to sigurno ne bi desilo da je on u tom trenutku bio uz reprezentaciju.<br />
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Bravo.					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:58:22 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>milosrdni andjeo</dc:creator>
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				<title>Re: Znate da sam ponosna na nas!!!</title>
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						Играш грубо baby:)					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:21:29 GMT</pubDate>
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						He was player with heart,attitude and huge ba..s.Yeah,he also do some things wich don t related football..but he is not like some of this &quot;new stars&quot;...if U know what I mean.<br />
Btw. I did'nt mean just 4 Cantona.I mean 4 that period...'90s..					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:20:39 GMT</pubDate>
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						Just to add that I agree with everything you said up there.<br />
I believe we understand each other better now :)<br />
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:00:57 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>Great Fire</dc:creator>
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						I think it quite likely that I would take a similar position to yourself were I in England and perhaps you would share my opinion were you in Serbia.<br />
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If so, its one of those slightly odd situations and probably does neither of us credit since it shows both of us to alter opinion or principles depending on the reaction around us. Still, I cant help it. Even if I knew something to be right but had a million fascists supporting me I would have to disclaim my view, if you understand what I mean.<br />
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And yes three lions on a shirt is a classic (and I think its 30, '(40) years of hurt' isnt it? No, in some way you are right, of course I like England too but Serbia will forever be the underdog. <br />
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Now that you mention all of the stuff that goes with the world cup in England or some other countries its such a pity how much Serbia misses out. Commentators are yet to become loved or professional, a decent song to get the public in the mood before the event, pre (and post) match analysis and all the stuff that comes with it. By the time the first match is played you feel like you are going to explode in anticipation Unfortunately there isnt such a sense of everybody being involved in Serbia but perhaps this will change. Promotion and romaticising is an important part of the world (or european) cup story.<br />
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Now I had better stop acting as if this was my blog entry and let Nicholas reply...<br />
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:56:26 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>bganon</dc:creator>
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						<blockquote style='border:1px solid #DADAAB;border-left:4px solid #DADAAB;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;width:95%;background-color:#F6F6DC;background:#F6F6DC url(http://blog.b92.net/gfx/quote-bottomright.png) bottom right no-repeat;padding-bottom:20px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:10px;padding-top:4px;'><div style='background:#F6F6DC url(http://blog.b92.net/gfx/quote-topleft.png) top left no-repeat;height:25px;padding-left:26px;color:#7B7B60;'><b>milosrdni andjeo</b></div>Сад ће онај магарац доле да им преведе да ћеш их набадати када дођу на EXIT:)</blockquote><br />
To sam sebi kazesh? 					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:53:04 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>MMMila</dc:creator>
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						&quot;a philosophy from across the Atlantic pond&quot; ? <br />
It's truely amazing that you can find a way to blame America for this one. I mean, it takes talent to take the actions of some 20 year old punk from England, playing a European Championship game against Serbia, and deduce  that it was somehow caused by &quot;American Philosophies&quot;. <br />
&quot;Commercialization of sports&quot;, obviously America is to blame. Actually, commercialization of Anything, America is to blame. As if every corporation and every business model was owned and invented by Americans for the soul purpose of deteriorating the European way of life, European culture and your freakin'  &quot;Engleshness&quot;.  <br />
America is NOT destroying the English way of life or European culture or whatever. Get off of that claim cause it's tired!<br />
Look man, I call out America on all the shit it's responsible for... And we're burried in it... But you have to admitt that his is a bit of a Reach.... The kids a punk, a sniveling little twat... That's it... No &quot;Englishness&quot; or the deterioration of western civilization involved... Guy's a dick... Move on.  <br />
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:50:06 GMT</pubDate>
				<dc:creator>Solomon</dc:creator>
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						Yes two different situations, but my point was that we didn't need to win and our guys reacted like that because I still think it was shameful to pass by a player lying on the pitch and score. <br />
And to tell you one thing more. I support England, sometimes more than Serbia. And I think if England played Serbia in the finals of a World Cup I would be suporting England, because I some of you guys really live for that, and because &quot;Three lions on a shirt&quot; (or 30, now more than 40, years of heart) always gives me goose bumps, and the song just goes to show how important it is to you, or some of you.<br />
But I love my country as well and, in my opinion, the racist chants, as disgusting as they were, were in a way used (and abused) to cover up for you lack of fair play in that one action in English press.<br />
Maybe you are right about the consequences afterwards, if Serbia played England in the finals.					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:33:57 GMT</pubDate>
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						GF but you are comparing 2 different situations. Serbia did not go out after this match. To compare the English reaction in the terms you mentioned one would have to compare the Serbian reaction had Serbia crashed out and then measure the reactions. I cant tell you how the press is reacting in England, as I dont live there, but I can tell you how the Serbian tabloid press reacted.<br />
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Dont want to talk about that joke any more. If you like that kind of humour thats your choice.<br />
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'And yet, I am sorry we won't be playing you guys, not for revenge really, but to see who is better, for real. Hopefully these kids of ours will do well later when they start playing for A team.'<br />
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I am not sorry at all. If England won that match I would not like to watch / listen to the consequences. But I echo your sentiment on these kids. I cant wait to see this generation move forward. Its the most promising generation since 1990. Thank God one of those kids didnt throw a punch in the match - that kind of thing haunts a player. Remember Kezman's red card when he came on as sub (he didnt deserve it but somehow bad luck in the national team has followed him since).<br />
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BTW I support Serbia and not England and I always supported Yugoslavia back in the day - although some people seem to be doing their best to make me think twice. Its the same with basketball (I support Zvezda) and those idiotic supporters who, as somebody said recently, think everybody owes them as they took part in October 5th. 					]]>
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				<dc:creator>bganon</dc:creator>
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						GF but you are comparing 2 different situations. Serbia did not go out after this match. To compare the English reaction in the terms you mentioned one would have to compare the Serbian reaction had Serbia crashed out and then measure the reactions. I cant tell you how the press is reacting in England, as I dont live there, but I can tell you how the Serbian tabloid press reacted.<br />
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Dont want to talk about that joke any more. If you like that kind of humour thats your choice.<br />
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'And yet, I am sorry we won't be playing you guys, not for revenge really, but to see who is better, for real. Hopefully these kids of ours will do well later when they start playing for A team.'<br />
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I am not sorry at all. If England won that match I would not like to watch / listen to the consequences. But I echo your sentiment on these kids. I cant wait to see this generation move forward. Its the most promising generation since 1990. Thank God one of those kids didnt throw a punch in the match - that kind of thing haunts a player. Remember Kezman's red card when he came on as sub (he didnt deserve it but somehow bad luck in the national team has followed him since).<br />
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BTW I support Serbia and not England and I always supported Yugoslavia back in the day - although some people seem to be doing their best to make me think twice. Its the same with basketball (I support Zvezda) and those idiotic supporters who, as somebody said recently, think everybody owes them as they took part in October 5th. 					]]>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:23:45 GMT</pubDate>
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						Come on,do U really think that I would like 2 be with some English (slut) addition all ours beautiful girls?I'm really sorry but I must 2 say 2 U that U re crazy If U think so:)					]]>
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						Er, did you forget a certain kung-fu kick? I think its fair to argue that the likes of Cantona helped it on its way. <br />
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						MA For a joke it was in pretty bad taste.<br />
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Tell me a real joke and I promise to laugh.<br />
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						I just wonder what would have happened had Serbia scored a goal in the same situation and you were out. I really wonder what your press' comments would be. You would probably be banging on about it not being fair as well, and threaten to stop playing international games until things like that were sorted out. <br />
And if you really think that someone would &quot;show English sluts at Exit&quot; as you quoted, than you really are paranoid and I don't know what you are doing here.<br />
I do condemn the racist chants, it is well out of order, especially in sports. I have heard a comment last night that fans are doing it to annoy the players, not because they are really racist. Still I think that, even if that was the case, it is repugnant. But please don' tell me that there is no racism in England. <br />
On the other hand, I do agree with Nicholas that it has become the case of winning at all costs, which is sad. I have also heard a comment from an English friend that he supports England starting cheating as the other countries are doing, because playing fair has never brought them anything. And I was terribly sorry to hear that, because I did like your &quot;Englishness&quot; as Nicholas put it.<br />
As you said youself &quot;All in all, a mountain made out of a molehill&quot;.<br />
And yet, I am sorry we won't be playing you guys, not for revenge really, but to see who is better, for real. Hopefully these kids of ours will do well later when they start playing for A team.<br />
Cheers					]]>
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						Jesmo li u finalu? JESMO!<br />
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Jesmo li naseli na provokacije? NISMO!<br />
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A vidi ovde...znamo li engleski da im pokazemo? ZNAMO!<br />
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Dok iza ledja mozemo da im spominjemo kolko 'ocemo familiju na srpskom, koji bi nadobudni arogantni englescici naucili za jedno milion godina! <br />
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PS <br />
Sefe, izvini!<br />
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