Da li sam slobodan 20 godina poslije?

A sada zamislite da znamo ko je bio covjek u bijeloj kosulji

Little is publicly known of the man's identity or that of the commander of the lead tank. Shortly after the incident, British tabloid the Sunday Express named the man as Wang Weilin

(王维林), a 19-year-old student[5] who was later charged with "political hooliganism" and "attempting to subvert members of the People's Liberation Army"[6]; however, the veracity of this claim is dubious. Numerous rumors have sprung up as to the man's identity and current whereabouts, but none are backed by hard evidence.[citation needed]

There are several conflicting stories about what happened to him after the demonstration. In a speech to the President's Club in 1999, Bruce Herschensohn—former deputy special assistant to President of the United States Richard Nixon—reported that he was executed 14 days later[citation needed]; other sources say he was killed by firing squad a few months after the Tiananmen Square protests[4]. In Red China Blues: My Long March from Mao to Now, Jan Wong writes that the man is still alive and is hiding in mainland China.

The People's Republic of China government has made few statements about the incident or the people involved[citation needed]. In a 1990 interview with Barbara Walters, then-CCP General Secretary Jiang Zemin was asked what became of the man. The Chinese leader first stated (through an interpreter), "I can't confirm whether this young man you mentioned was arrested or not." Jiang then replied in English, "I think never killed." [sic][7] A June 2006 article in the Hong Kong Apple Daily stated that there are rumours that the man is now residing in Taiwan.[8]

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This event has inspired many references within lyrics and album art - both in political and non-political usages.

The British rock band The Cure, during a concert in Rome on 4 June 1989, dedicated their last encore, "Faith," to "everyone that died today in China." Singer Robert Smith extended the song with improvised lyrics about a person who has a gun held to their mouth and urged to say "Yes" to the question "Do you love me?", but finally refuses to do so. The bootlegged recording of this 15 minute version is known as "Tiananmen Faith". In the same year, Joan Baez wrote and recorded her folk anthem "China" to commemorate the democratic revolt. Billy Joel's history-themed single "We Didn't Start the Fire", released late 1989, mentions the event in the line "China's under martial law."

The song Tin Omen by the Canadian industrial band Skinny Puppy is a reference to this uprising and massacre.

Progressive rock group Marillion wrote a song titled "The King of Sunset Town" that uses imagery from the Tiananmen Square incidents, such as "a puppet king on the Fourth of June" and "before the Twenty-Seventh came". The song was released on their album Seasons End in September 1989.

The band System of a Down referred to the event in the opening lines to the song "Hypnotize", which are, "Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen Square, was fashion the reason why they were there?"

Shiny Happy People by REM is supposedly an ironic reference to a piece of roughly translated Chinese propaganda regarding the massacre, two years before the song was released.[102] The inference apparently relates to how politics is controlled by those with children in powerful positions, not idealistic revolting unhappy students on the ground in Tiananmen Square. The idea that propaganda is often used to cover up stark weaknesses in political systems. The song is mockingly played to encourage unknown political candidates to be upbeat even under fire.

American thrash metal band Slayer released a song "Blood Red" on their 1990 album titled "Seasons in the Abyss", which was inspired by the Tiananmen Square incident. The song includes the lines: "Peaceful confrontation meets war machine, Seizing all civil liberties... No disguise can deface evil, The massacre of innocent people." The same year, another American thrash metal band Testament released the song "Seven Days in May" protesting the Beijing massacre (though the assault on Tiananmen Square took place on 3 June, not in May) on their "Souls of Black" album, including the words: "In the square they play the game, That's when the tanks and the army came... They called the murders minimal, Described their victims as criminals... Dead souls like you and me, Who only wanted free society".

British anarchist pop band Chumbawamba released a song called "Tiananmen Square" on their 1990 album Slap!. The lyrics are built around the fact the People's Liberation Army murdered the people. The Tank Man is also referenced ("You must've seen it, the boy in the white shirt".

Sinéad O'Connor, on her 1990 album I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got, referenced the killings in her song "Black Boys on Mopeds" with the following opening lines: "Margaret Thatcher on TV, Shocked by the deaths that took place in Beijing".

British goth rock outfit Siouxsie and the Banshees recorded the song "The Ghost in You" for their album Superstition in 1991. It is about a person who witnessed the massacre returning to Tiananmen Square and remembering the terrible emotions he/she experienced there.

Roger Waters referred to the massacre on the song "Watching TV" from his 1992 album Amused to Death. In 1996, Nevermore released the track titled "The Tiananmen Man" on their The Politics of Ecstasy album. The song is about the Tank Man who famously stood in front of the tanks in the Square. The song "Hypnotize" on the 2005 album Hypnotize by System Of A Down is based on the event.

In 2006 a Chinese folk singer Li Zhi wrote a song titled "The Square", where the sound of bullets and ambulance and voice of TAM mother Mrs. Ding were sampled.[103] In 2007 Hed PE wrote a song entitled "Tiananmen Squared" on their Insomnia album.

Calogero (French singer) also has a song called Tien An Men.

Portuguese band Kalashnikov has a song called Tiananmen Tiananmen. The chorus of the song says "Tiananmen Tiananmen, kill another yellow men"

The Italian band CCCP Fedeli alla linea included a song called "Tien An Men" in their 1990 EP Ragazza Emancipata.
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Mislim da bi Slobica postojao i sa i bez Tianmena, ne znam zasto.

Da li sam slobodan 20 godina poslije?

Nikad niste slobodni. To jest, nikad niste dovoljno slobodni.
Jer:
vreme pred nama je veliki tenk
a svi mi
odreda
jesmo čovek u beloj košulji pred tenkom

Negde, nekad sam čitao da je uhapšen i osuđen na dugogodišnju robiju. Mislim da se tim slučajem bavio i Amnesti int..

Naime, svim srcem sam na strani hrabrog covjeka u bijeloj kosulji koji pokusava voljom srca a ne razuma da uradi nesto za slobodu, za svoje drugove, za svoj narod, za sebe. Nije uspio. Volio bih da mu saznam ime i sudbinu. Gubitnik je. Mozda je to dodatni razlog zasto mi se dopada. Medjutim da je on pobijedio, da je istinsku slobodu ostarila milijarda ljudi u Kini kao sto je slobodu dozivjelo nekoliko stotina miliona ljudi komunisticke Evrope (ukljucujuci nekadsnji Sovjetski Savez) da li bi Milosevic rekao onu o oruzju na Vidovdan i ugrozio mi zivot kao i vama koji ovo citate.

Ubijedjen sam da Milosevic ne bi onako zvonko spomenuo oruzane bitke koje nam predstoje da tenkovi nisu izasli na ulice u dalekoj Kini. Vidio covjek da moze da prodje ali je malo precijenio sebe i svoju naciju.

Eto taj neznani kinez je porazen ali je njegova zemlja od tada postala ekonomska velesila a njegov narod dosao na put nezapamcenog napretka (ekonomskog, kulturnog i politickog). Da je on pobedio Kina bi verovatno postala sirotinjska udavaca NGO vladavine ljudskih prava (citaj globalnih korporacija) a njegov narod ostao obespravljen u siromastvu bez nade za bolje sutra.

Sa druge strane Sloba je te 1989. trijumfovao a potom sve krenulo nizbrdo. Na kraju je izgubio zemlju, narod je potpuno osiromasio, izginuo i doveden do ivice propasti (a mozda i preko ivice). On je umro u kavezu a sahranjen je bez familije u dvoristu vikendice kao pseto. Da je Sloba izgubio Srbija bi sigurno prosla bolje (verovatno ne bi mnogo napredovala znacajno ali bar zasigurno ne bi ovako propala - znaci bilo bi bar 10 puta bolje)

Ko je u stvari bio pobednik te 1989?

Eh, kamo srece da je Kadijevic onomad poslao jos vise tenkova na trgove... Mozda bi tamo neki Slovenac bio pregazen, ali bi politicari bili naterani da se jos jednom dogovore o pravednijem modelu raspada SFRJ. Ako treba da biram izmedju diktature i haosa, ja biram diktaturu.

PS

Kina je uveliko bila na putu reformi kada se desio Tienanmen, drugaciji ishod tadasnjih demonstracija je mogao biti samo rat i raspad Kine.

Odgovor pravne drzave na na Pekinskom trgu Tiananmen pokazao je šaci suldih studenata da nemogu nametati svoje misljenje milijardi Kineza,sta se moglo dogoditi sa Kinom da si ti nesrecnici ostvarili svoj naum najbolje pokazuje pakao kroz koji je Rusija prosla (na svu srecu trgla se u poslednjem momentu) Kina danas dozivljava najveci uzlet ,prosperitet u svim segmentima rusi sve ekonomske parametre kada je u pitanju napredak,15 godina ekonomski rast preko 10 % to ekonomska teorija nije predvidjala...U jednom se slazemo Tenk na Tiananmenu je stvarno uspio mnoge unesreciti ,unesrecio je neprijatelje Kine ,kojima ostaje samo da placu kao ostavljene devojke i da gledaju uzlet Kine

Mislim da je u vreme o kojem je rec (kraj osamdesetih), bipolarni svet vec okoncao svoju egzistenciju, a da uticaj rezima u Kini sigurno nije bio ni izdaleka tako veliki na ovdasnja (balkanska) zbivanja, kako se to prezentuje u tekstu. "Covek u belom" je simbol borbe za slobodu, medjutim, sloboda nije jednoznacni pojam, moze to biti sloboda kretanja, sloboda govora, ali i ekonomska sloboda....cini se da su prve dve privremeno bile suspendovane zarad ove trece, koja umnogome omogucuje svekoliku slobodu. U to vreme nismo tako razmisljali, ali, kako vec rekose prethodni komentatori, sada imamo dovoljno dokaza da tvrdimo da bi gradjani Kine krenuli put nekog drugog "ropstva" savremenog, kapitalistickog neokolonijalizma, da je uspelo "uvozenje demokratije".
Ne verujem ni da se rezim u Srbiji zavaravao mogucnoscu da bi Kina (kao ni Rusija '99.) mogla i htela da se suprotstavlja mocnijima zarad nekih "maglovitih" interesa, slazem se da je Balkan skoro beznacajan u svetskim okvirima.

‘.....ni oruzane bitke nisu iskljucene'.........
......da li bi Milosevic rekao onu o oruzju.......

Ne vidim sta je sporno u ovim recima? Da li je bilo oruzanih bitaka? Da.
Meni je vise licilo na ne tako tesko predvidjanje a manje na pretnju (uostalom, prete li i oni iz "slobodnih" drzava??)
Drugo, da li je oruzje i uopste ratovanje ishta drugo nego produzena ruka politike? Legalna stvar. I najdemokratskije zemlje posezu za upotrebom oruzja, ratovima, pa i zlocinima, pa? Da li to nesto menja u njihovom unutrasnjem ustrojstvu? Ne. Zasto instruisu "ispiranje mozga", da je apsolutno nedozvoljena upotreba sile (samo mirna, diplomatska sredstva-i to se ponavlja kao mantra), zemljama poput nase i slicnima? Pa upravo da bi zadrzali to ekskluzivno pravo samo za sebe...
Naravno, ako se misli na upotrebu oruzja u smislu golog ocuvanja komunisticke vlasti, onda se mora priznati da je Milosevic upotrebio tenkove (pasivno) za smirivanje demonstranata '91., bilo je dvoje nastradalih (demonstrant i policajac), kao i vise politickih ubistava, ali ipak je njegova diktatura koristila daleko perfidnije metode od ogoljene oruzane sile.
A ako se misli na upotrebu oruzja u ratovima na teritoriji ex-Yu, tu se nikako ne mozemo ograniciti na tumacenje da je to bilo samo odrzavanje u zivotu prevazidjenog sistema, nego je to bio gradjanski rat sa kompleksnijim uzrocima, istorijskim, nacionalnim, verskim, politickim ....

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Nevene, ne znam da li si ovo primetio? Ja sam po običaju očajno informisan o politici, ali se nešto ne sećam da je Montogmeri baš ovakve ideje ranije propagirao.

"Dok sve petokrake, svi ideoloski znaci ne odu u muzeje Srbija nece biti slobodna i ne mozemo da kazemo da smo zavrsili svoj posao"- rekao je 23. februara 1997. Zoran Djindjic. Obecanje je poceo da ispunjava skidanjem petokrake sa Starog dvora