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Mark Tven i Šon Pen - retko pametni i hrabri Amerikanci...

 Sedimo juče Dragan Papić i ja, i pričamo o tenisu - plesanju Federera po terenu i gde je tu Nole... Ok, mlad je još, ako u godinama koje sada ima Federer bude imao i njegovu pamet - biće neprikosnoven. Naravno, sa sporta prešli na politiku. O njoj ne pričamo mnogo, samo zaključimo da su tipovi kao Zoran Ćirjaković retka pojava zdravog razuma kod analitičara stvarnosti Srbije...

I onda mi sa PLJUS-a stigne pismo Nebojše, neznanog kolege sa Papićeve mejling liste, o Mark Tvenu. a ja odavno čuvam pismo Šon Pena...

From: "nebojsa" <nebojsa@..........

>Date: October 18, 2007 8:14:47 AM GMT+02:00

Subject: Mark Tvejnovi komentari o  najvećoj američkoj vojnoj pobjedi i američkom stilu ratovanja 

Kad čovjek pročita ovaj posthumno objavljeni članak Mark Tvejna onda mu tek postaje jasno zašto je naš Nikola Tesla od svih svojih prijatelja upravo ovog slavnog američkog pisca stavljao na najviše mjesto.

Nebojša  

(The Moro Crater massacre is a name given to the final phase of the First Battle of Bud Dajo, a military engagement of the Philippine-American War which took place March 10, 1906, on the isle of Jolo in the southern Philippines.)

The official report stated that the battle was fought with prodigious energy on both sides during a day and a half, and that it ended with a complete victory for the American arms. The completeness of the victory for the American arms. The completeness of the victory is established by this fact: that of the six hundred Moros not one was left alive. The brilliancy of the victory is established by this other fact, to wit: that of our six hundred heroes only fifteen lost their lives.General Wood was present and looking on. His order had been. “Kill or capture those savages.” Apparently our little army considered that the “or” left them authorized to kill or capture according to taste, and that their taste had remained what it has been for eight years, in our army out there - the taste of Christian butchers.

Comments on the Moro Massacre by Mark Twain (March 12, 1906)

This incident burst upon the world last Friday in an official cablegram from the commander of our forces in the Philippines to our Government at Washington. The substance of it was as follows: A tribe of Moros, dark-skinned savages, had fortified themselves in the bowl of an extinct crater not many miles from Jolo; and as they were hostiles, and bitter against us because we have been trying for eight years to take their liberties away from them, their presence in that position was a menace. Our commander, Gen. Leonard Wood, ordered a reconnaissance. It was found that the Moros numbered six hundred, counting women and children; that their crater bowl was in the summit of a peak or mountain twenty-two hundred feet above sea level, and very difficult of access for Christian troops and artillery. Then General Wood ordered a surprise, and went along himself to see the order carried out. Our troops climbed the heights by devious and difficult trails, and even took some artillery with them. The kind of artillery is not specified, but in one place it was hoisted up a sharp acclivity by tackle a distance of some three hundred feet. Arrived at the rim of the crater, the battle began. Our soldiers numbered five hundred and forty. They were assisted by auxiliaries consisting of a detachment of native constabulary in our pay -- their numbers not given -- and by a naval detachment, whose numbers are not stated. But apparently the contending parties were about equal as to number -- six hundred men on our side, on the edge of the bowl; six hundred men, women and children in the bottom of the bowl. Depth of the bowl, 50 feet.Gen. Wood's order was, "Kill or capture the six hundred."

The battle began-it is officially called by that name-our forces firing down into the crater with their artillery and their deadly small arms of precision; the savages furiously returning the fire, probably with brickbats-though this is merely a surmise of mine, as the weapons used by the savages are not nominated in the cablegram. Heretofore the Moros have used knives and clubs mainly; also ineffectual trade-muskets when they had any.The official report stated that the battle was fought with prodigious energy on both sides during a day and a half, and that it ended with a complete victory for the American arms. The completeness of the victory for the American arms. The completeness of the victory is established by this fact: that of the six hundred Moros not one was left alive. The brilliancy of the victory is established by this other fact, to wit: that of our six hundred heroes only fifteen lost their lives.General Wood was present and looking on. His order had been. "Kill or capture those savages." Apparently our little army considered that the "or" left them authorized to kill or capture according to taste, and that their taste had remained what it has been for eight years, in our army out there - the taste of Christian butchers.The official report quite properly extolled and magnified the "heroism" and "gallantry" of our troops; lamented the loss of the fifteen who perished, and elaborated the wounds of thirty-two of our men who suffered injury, and even minutely and faithfully described the nature of the wounds, in the interest of future historians of the United States. It mentioned that a private had one of his elbows scraped by a missile, and the private's name was mentioned. Another private had the end of his nose scraped by a missile. His name was also mentioned - by cable, at one dollar and fifty cents a word.Next day's news confirmed the previous day's report and named our fifteen killed and thirty-two wounded again, and once more described the wounds and gilded them with the right adjectives.Let us now consider two or three details of our military history. In one of the great battles of the Civil War ten per cent of the forces engaged on the two sides were killed and wounded. At Waterloo, where four hundred thousand men were present on the two sides, fifty thousand fell, killed and wounded, in five hours, leaving three hundred and fifty thousand sound and all right for further adventures. Eight years ago, when the pathetic comedy called the Cuban War was played, we summoned two hundred and fifty thousand men. We fought a number of showy battles, and when the war was over we had lost two hundred and sixty-eight men out of our two hundred and fifty thousand, in killed and wounded in the field, and just fourteen times as many by the gallantry of the army doctors in the hospitals and camps. We did not exterminate the Spaniards -- far from it. In each engagement we left an average of two per cent. of the enemy killed or crippled on the field.Contrast these things with the great statistics which have arrived from that Moro crater! There, with six hundred engaged on each side, we lost fifteen men killed outright, and we had thirty-two wounded-counting that nose and that elbow. The enemy numbered six hundred -- including women and children -- and we abolished them utterly, leaving not even a baby alive to cry for its dead mother. This is incomparably the greatest victory that was ever achieved by the Christian soldiers of the United States.Now then, how has it been received? The splendid news appeared with splendid display-heads in every newspaper in this city of four million and thirteen thousand inhabitants, on Friday morning. But there was not a single reference to it in the editorial columns of any one of those newspapers. The news appeared again in all the evening papers of Friday, and again those papers were editorially silent upon our vast achievement. Next day's additional statistics and particulars appeared in all the morning papers, and still without a line of editorial rejoicing or a mention of the matter in any way. These additions appeared in the evening papers of that same day (Saturday) and again without a word of comment. In the columns devoted to correspondence, in the morning and evening papers of Friday and Saturday, nobody said a word about the "battle." Ordinarily those columns are teeming with the passions of the citizen; he lets no incident go by, whether it be large or small, without pouring out his praise or blame, his joy or his indignation about the matter in the correspondence column. But, as I have said, during those two days he was as silent as the editors themselves. So far as I can find out, there was only one person among our eighty millions who allowed himself the privilege of a public remark on this great occasion -- that was the President of the United States. All day Friday he was as studiously silent as the rest. But on Saturday he recognized that his duty required him to say something, and he took his pen and performed that duty. If I know President Roosevelt -- and I am sure I do -- this utterance cost him more pain and shame than any other that ever issued from his pen or his mouth. I am far from blaming him. If I had been in his place my official duty would have compelled me to say what he said. It was a convention, an old tradition, and he had to be loyal to it. There was no help for it. This is what he said:Washington, March 10. Wood, Manila:

- I congratulate you and the officers and men of your command upon the brilliant feat of arms wherein you and they so well upheld the honor of the American flag.

(Signed) Theodore Roosevelt.

His whole utterance is merely a convention. Not a word of what he said came out of his heart. He knew perfectly well that to pen six hundred helpless and weaponless savages in a hole like rats in a trap and massacre them in detail during a stretch of a day and a half, from a safe position on the heights above, was no brilliant feat of arms - and would not have been a brilliant feat of arms even if Christian America, represented by its salaried soldiers, had shot them down with Bibles and the Golden Rule instead of bullets. He knew perfectly well that our uniformed assassins had not upheld the honor of the American flag, but had done as they have been doing continuously for eight years in the Philippines - that is to say, they had dishonored it.The next day, Sunday, -- which was yesterday -- the cable brought us additional news - still more splendid news -- still more honor for the flag. The first display-head shouts this information at us in the stentorian capitals: 

"WOMEN SLAIN MORO SLAUGHTER."

"Slaughter" is a good word. Certainly there is not a better one in the Unabridged Dictionary for this occasion

The next display line says:"With Children They Mixed in Mob in Crater, and All Died Together."

They were mere naked savages, and yet there is a sort of pathos about it when that word children falls under your eye, for it always brings before us our perfectest symbol of innocence and helplessness; and by help of its deathless eloquence color, creed and nationality vanish away and we see only that they are children -- merely children. And if they are frightened and crying and in trouble, our pity goes out to them by natural impulse. We see a picture. We see the small forms. We see the terrified faces. We see the tears. We see the small hands clinging in supplication to the mother; but we do not see those children that we are speaking about. We see in their places the little creatures whom we know and love.

The next heading blazes with American and Christian glory like to the sun in the zenith:

"Death List is Now 900."

I was never so enthusiastically proud of the flag till now!

Tven kod Tesle...
Tven kod Tesle...

Mark Twain (a/k/a Samuel Langhorne Clemens) in the lab of Nikola Tesla, spring of 1894.
Taken in the spring of 1894, and originally published as part of an article by T.C. Martin called "Tesla's Oscillator and Other Inventions" that appeared in the Century Magazine (April 1895).

Twain made a substantial amount of money through his writing, but he spent much of it in bad investments, mostly in new inventions. He was fascinated with science and scientific inquiry. He developed a close and lasting friendship with Nikola Tesla, and the two spent much time together in Tesla's laboratory. His book A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court features a tome treveler from contemporary America, using his knowledge of science to introduce modern technology to Arthurian England. Twain inventions included a bed clamp for infants, a new type of steam engine, and the kaolatype (or vollotype, a machine designed to engrave printing plates). The Paige typesetting machine was a beautifully engineered mechanical marvel that amazed viewers when it worked, but was prone to breakdowns; before it could be commercially perfected it was made obsolete by the Linotype. He patented an improvement in adjustable and detachable straps for garments.

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Nju Orleans. Čovek pomaže Čoveku
Nju Orleans. Čovek pomaže Čoveku

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

''Georgie, There's a Crowd Downstairs''

By SEAN PENN

Sean Penn received the 2006 Christopher Reeve First Amendment Award from the Creative Coalition on December 18, 2006, in New York City, where he delivered the following speech.

The Christopher Reeve First Amendment Award. For the purposes of tonight and my own personal enjoyment, I'm going to yield to the notion that I deserve this.

And in the spirit of that, tell you that I am very honored to receive it. And for this I thank the Creative Coalition and my friend Charlie Rose. It does seem appropriate to take this opportunity to exercise the right that honors us all--freedom of speech.

Note for later:

The original title for the Louis XVI comedy called "Start The Revolution Without Me" was one of my favorites. That original title was "Louis, There's a Crowd Downstairs." But I'll come back to that...

Words may be our most civil weapons of change, when they connect to actions of sacrifice, or good will, but they have no grace or power without bold clarity. So, if you'll bear with me, borrowing a line from Bob Dylan, "Let us not talk falsely now--the hour is getting late."

Global warming

Massive pollution

Non-stop U.S. war in Iraq

Attacks on civil liberties under the banner of war on terror

Military spending

You and I, U.S. taxpayers, spend 1 1/2 billion dollars on an Iraq-war-'focused' military everyday, while social needs cry out.

Health care

Education

Public transit

Environmental protections

Affordable housing

Job training

Public investment

And, levy building.

We depend largely for information on these issues from media industries, driven by the bottom line to such an extent that the public interest becomes uninteresting.

And should we speak truth, we stand against government efforts to intimidate or legislate in the service of censorship. Whether under the guise of a Patriot Act or any other benevolent-sounding rationale for the age-old game of shutting down dissent by discouraging independent thinking and preventing progressive social change.

The most effective forms of de facto censorship are pre-emptive. Systemically, we are encouraged to keep our heads down, out of the line of fire--to avoid the danger, god forbid, that someone in the White House, on Capitol Hill, or a media blow-hard might take a shot at us.

But, as a practical matter, most of the limits on creative expression and other forms of free speech come from self-censorship, where the mechanism of corporate clout offers carrots and brandishes sticks. We avoid a conflict before the conflict materializes. We reach for the carrots and stay out of range of sticks.

Decades ago, Fred Friendly called it a "positive veto"--corporations putting big money behind shows that they want to establish and perpetuate. Whether in journalism or drama, creative efforts that don't gain a financial "positive veto" are dismissible, then dismissed. We may not call that "censorship." But whatever we call it, the effects of a "positive veto" system are severe. They impose practical limits on efforts to bring the most important realities to public attention sooner rather than later...

We're beginning to see more revealing images of this war. But it's later now, isn't it? What we have to pay attention to are the results of these "practical limits." One, is that wars become much easier to launch than to halt.

I've got a feeling about how we can begin to change this process and I want to pass it by you. Children grow up in our country -- many by the way, under conditions of extreme poverty -- and are told from a very early age "You will be accountable!" "With freedom, comes responsibility!" And so the lecture goes...Democratic and Republican alike. Lie-cheat-steal, and there will be consequences! Theft will be punished. Actions that cause the deaths of others will be severely punished. The message, from leaders in Washington, news media, mom, dad, and church is clear. Criminals MUST be held accountable.

Now, there's been a lot of talk lately on Capitol Hill about how impeachment should be "off the table." We're told that it's time to look ahead--not back...

Can you imagine how far that argument would go for the defense at an arraignment on charges of grand larceny, or large-scale distribution of methamphetamines? How about the arranging of a contract killing on a pregnant mother? "Indictment should be off the table." Or "Let's look forward, not backward." Or "We can't afford another failed defendant."

Our country has a legal system, not of men and women, but of laws. Why then are we so willing to put inconvenient provisions of the U.S. constitution and federal law "off the table?" Our greatest concern right now should be what to put ON the table. Unless we're going to have one set of laws for the powerful and another set for those who can't afford fancy lawyers, then truth matters to everyone. And accountability is a matter of human and legal principle. If we're going to continue wagging our fingers at the disadvantaged transgressors, then I suggest we be consistent. If truth and accountability can be stretched into sham concepts, we may as well open the gates of all our jails and prisons, where, by the way, there are more people behind bars than any other country in the world. One in every 32 American adults is behind bars, on probation, or on parole as we stand here tonight.

Which is to say that, globally, the United States is number one at demanding accountability and backing up that demand with imprisonment. But, when it comes to our president, vice president, secretary of state, former secretary of defense...this insistence on accountability vanishes. All of a sudden, what's past is prologue. And we're just "forward-looking." But some people can't just look forward. Men and women stationed in Iraq at this moment, under orders of a Commander-in-Chief so sufficiently practiced in the art of deception, that he got vast numbers of American journalists and the most esteemed media outlets of this country, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, NPR, and PBS to eagerly serve his agenda-building for war. And the process also induced vast numbers of artists and performers (probably even some in this room tonight) to keep quiet and facilitate the push for an invasion in Iraq.

I'm sure many people who I met in Baghdad, both in my trips prior to and during the occupation, now similarly cannot just look forward. With lives so entirely shattered by a violence of occupation--an ongoing U.S. war effort and the civil war that it has catalyzed. All on the back of a crumbled infrastructure, following eleven years of devastating U.N. sanctions.

And, where is the accountability on behalf of the American dead and wounded, their families, their friends, and the people of the United States who have seen their country become a world pariah. These events have been enabled by people named Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, and Rice, as they continue to perpetuate a massive fraud on American democracy and decency.

On January 11, 2003, I made an appearance on Larry King's show following my first trip to Iraq. I suggested that every American mother and father sit down with a scrap of paper and pencil and scribble the following words: Dear Mr. and Mrs. So-and-so -- We regret to inform you that your son or daughter so-and-so, was killed in action in Iraq. I then asked that those mothers and fathers complete that letter in whatever way might comfort them should they receive it. When one considers what a bewildered continuation of those words a parent might attempt to write today, it seems inconceivable that this country could've ever bought into this war. Who were those mothers and fathers believing in?! We know it's not the administration alone, but a culture at large, cloaking itself in self-righteousness, religion, and adolescent hero-dreaming machismo. Would they have believed Rush Limbaugh if they'd known he was high as a kite on OxyContin? Would they have believed the factually impaired Bill O'Reilly if they knew he was massaging his rectum with a loofah while telephonically harassing a staffer? Hannity, had they known he was simply a whore to the cause of his pimps--Murdoch and Ailes? Or the little bow-tie putz, if they knew all he was seeking was a good laugh from Jon Stewart? Maybe our countrymen and women were listening to Ted Haggert while he was whiffing meth and boning a muscle-headed gigolo? Or Mark Foley seeking junior weenis? Joe Lieberman, sitting Shiva? And Toby Keith, singing about how big his boots are?

"Oh, there goes Sean...he had to go and name-call. They say he can't help himself." Or, did I name-call? Maybe I just quickly summed up 7 or 8 little truths. Oh, no, you're right--I name-called. I said, "putz". I take it back. Or, do I? Did I say "whore?" Pimp? These are questions. But, the real and great questions of conscience and accountability would not loom so ominously -- unanswered or evaded at such tremendous cost -- without our day-to-day failure to insist on genuine accountability. Of course we'd prefer some easy ways to get there. But no easy ways exist. Not a new Congress. Not Barack Obama. And, not John McCain. His courage in North Vietnamese prison makes him a heroic man. His voting record in Congress makes him a damaging public servant. We have gotta stand the fuck up and show the world how powerful are the people in a democracy. That's how we regain our position of example, rather than pariah, to the world at large. And that is how we can begin to put up our chins and allow pride and unification to raise our own quality of life and security.

They tell us we lost 3,000 Americans on 9/11. Is that enough? We're about to match it. We're within weeks, if not less, of killing 3,000 Americans in Iraq. I ask Speaker Pelosi, can we put impeachment on the table then? Without former FEMA chief Mike Brown being held accountable, post Katrina (scapegoat though he may have been) we'd have had the same chaos and neglect when Rita hit Houston. Think about it. And, the same people who trumpet deterrence as a justification for punishment when we speak of "crime and punishment," will boast their positive thinking when dismissing the deterrent qualities of an impeachment proceeding.

What is impeachment? It's not a Democratic versus Republican event. Not if used responsibly. If the House of Representatives votes to impeach this president, is he thrown out of office? No, he is not thrown out of office. That is not what impeachment is. Impeachment is the opportunity to proceed with accountability and give our elected senators, democratic and republican, the power to pursue a thorough investigation. The power to put the truth on the table. Mothers and fathers are losing their kids to horrifying deaths in this war every single day. Horrible deaths. Horrible maimings. Were crimes committed in enlisting the support of our country in this decision to go to war? For the moment we're living the most spineless of scenarios; where the hawks abused impeachment eight years ago, now, the rest of us politely refuse to use it today. Let's give the whistle-blowers cover, let's get the subpoenas out there, and then, one by one, put this administration under oath. And then, if the crimes of "Treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" are proven, do as Article 2, Section 4 of the United States Constitution provides, and remove "the President, Vice President and...civil officers of the United States" from office. If the Justice Department then sees fit to bunk them up with Jeff Skilling, so be it.

So...look, if we attempt to impeach for lying about a blowjob, yet accept these almost certain abuses without challenge, we become a cum-stain on the flag we wave. You know, I was listening to Frank Rich this morning, speaking on a book tour. He said he thought impeachment proceedings would amount to a "decadent" sidetrack, while our soldiers were still being killed. I admire Frank Rich. And of course he would be right if impeachment is all we do. But we're Americans. We can do two things at the same time. Yes, let's move forward and swiftly get out of this war in Iraq AND impeach these bastards.

Christopher Reeve promised to get out of that chair. Well, I don't know about you, but it feels like he's up now and I wouldn't be standing here if it weren't on his shoulders. Let it be for something.

Georgie, there's a crowd downstairs.

Thank you and good night.

 
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strava  17:15 20.10.2007
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Srbija- Amerika

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Dobro bi bilo da si ovo sa engleskog barem preveo, ovako to mnogo ne sluzi ovdasnjem narodu a mislim da ovaj bloq citaju uglavnom citaoci iz Srbije. Pa zato i nema komentara. Pozdrav
   
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Radovan Nastić  17:23 20.10.2007
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Re: Srbija- Amerika

Ma znaju čitaoci engleski, ali im se ne dopadaju činjenice. Ovde - medju blogerima - amerika je svetinja, a šta da kažu na ove istine... To je kao u životu - bolje da ćutiš nego da ispadneš glup. Zato ćute.
Tebi veliki pozdrav...
   
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andjelija  17:20 20.10.2007
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il za nas

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koji znamo ali nas mrzi ovoliki tekst da procitamo...nista ne bi falilo da si nam prepricao , verovala bih ti na rec :))
   
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Radovan Nastić  17:25 20.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

:):)
u jednoj rečenici - Amerika je genocidna tvorevina od svog nastanka do danas.

Veruješ mi na reč ? :)

I mnogo je lepše u originalu...
   
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andjelija  17:28 20.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

Radovan Nastić
:):)
u jednoj rečenici - Amerika je genocidna tvorevina od svog nastanka do danas.

Veruješ mi na reč ? :)

I mnogo je lepše u originalu...



pa sad kako se uzme...koja kurta i murta je ovo naseljavala ni ne cudi. ali ako nesto moze da se okarakterise genocidom onda je to nad indijancijma samo. ovo ostalo je para (vrti gde burgija nece).
   
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Radovan Nastić  17:29 20.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

p.s. Andjelija, imam par tvojih sjajnih izjava koje čuvam medju tekstovima, i rado ih citiram, navodeći te kao autora- na primer ''ko je svirao gitaru kod nas? samo onaj ko nije mogao da smuva ribu na zvaku..i onda se uvati basa i satro si u grupi nekoj.''
Genijalno :):):)
   
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Radovan Nastić  17:33 20.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

Pa ubijaju gde stignu.
Imaju društvo kojem bi i Staljin pozavideo.
Žena Al Gora, dobitnika Nobela za mir ??? -koje ludilooooo - je primer idiota cenzora. Pljunuli je i Jello Biafra i Ice T i mnogo muzičari...
Ubijaju Afrikance AIDS-om.
Ostale ubijaju sankcijama.
Ali su se preračunali - stigao Putin....
   
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Kazezoze  17:46 20.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

neko je vec, chini mi se, pisao o genocidu nad muslimanskim plemenom Moro, a ja sam ovaj tekst Mark Twain-a chitao i ranije, tako da mi je poznat.
bash mi je drugar juche prichao kako je gledao na TV-u neku emisiju kako je Sean Penn, prilikom posete Iraku imao (blago recheno) napade nesvestice i povracanja kada je video shta americhki vojnici rade tamo.
evo jedan link, koji prati trenutnu americhku situaciju iz malo drugachijeg ugla gledanja, nego shto to radi propagandni medij u Americi.
   
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Radovan Nastić  18:22 20.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

propaganda je jedino sto je Amerima ostalo. Raspadaju se iznutra, od prevelike paranoje.
hvala za link, uzvracam -

http://www.doublestandards.org/usmurder.html

   
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Doctor Wu  23:16 20.10.2007
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Radovane, izvini ali

ovo
Amerika je genocidna tvorevina od svog nastanka do danas.

je bar toliko glupo koliko i ono
"genocidna tvorevina Republika Šumska"

koju vole da ponavljaju neki, prilično naduvani, tupani na Blogu.
   
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Radovan Nastić  00:27 21.10.2007
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Re: Radovane, izvini ali

ma ok je :):)

Ne moramo da se slazemo da bi se postovali. Samo, ja se zaista nicega ne mogu setiti sta je Amerika pozitivno ucinila za planetu. Samo cine stetu. Ovo se odnosi na politiku, naravno.

Pozdrav, ziv bio.
   
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andjelija  18:37 21.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

Radovan Nastić
p.s. Andjelija, imam par tvojih sjajnih izjava koje čuvam medju tekstovima, i rado ih citiram, navodeći te kao autora- na primer ''ko je svirao gitaru kod nas? samo onaj ko nije mogao da smuva ribu na zvaku..i onda se uvati basa i satro si u grupi nekoj.''
Genijalno :):):)


nisam ovde da bih pametovala nego da podelim, prema tome, to ja kao autor -> obesi macku o rep (sad mi nsarski tacno znao odakle ova fraza dolazi, eto to bih volela da citam, a ne da mi pljujete po americi...gde jos vazi where dreams come true od svojih 10 prstica a ne kao neki da kradu naftu po rusiji). samo uzmi, ne pitaj koliko kosta :)
   
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Radovan Nastić  19:23 21.10.2007
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Tuzlanac banovan zbog širenja naconalne mržnje i psovki.

Komentar mu je obrisan.

Na kapiram samo zašto mrzi Crnce u USA, ali njegova stvar...
   
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Radovan Nastić  19:28 21.10.2007
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Andjelija, dobar ti je drkoš stav :):)

Opusti se, čitaj šta god.

I poslušaj poslednji album Body Count-a... Eto, uradili sve sa svojih 10 prstića...Ali Crnih - što je u Americi defekt.

Pozdrav.
   
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andjelija  22:33 21.10.2007
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Re: il za nas

Radovan Nastić
Andjelija, dobar ti je drkoš stav :):)

Opusti se, čitaj šta god.

I poslušaj poslednji album Body Count-a... Eto, uradili sve sa svojih 10 prstića...Ali Crnih - što je u Americi defekt.

Pozdrav.


odakle ti ideja da je to defekt? zivis li u americi?

ja opustena koliko mogu :)

hvala na preporuci...ocu....evo i tebi nesto sto volim Tiger Army
   
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cvtrom  10:58 22.10.2007
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Daj Radovane, pa inetrnet koji ti cini pola zivota su izmislili i podarili planeti, drugo pogledaj po kuci samo sta najvise koristis od telfona (fiksnog i mobilnog) pa do ostalih kucnih aparata. Da ne pricam o tvojim omiljenim grupama i autorima, moras biti malo objektivan slazem se da se Americi moze zameriti mnogo ali im treba i odati mnogo priznanja za gomilu drugih stvari koje prihvatamo zdravo za gotovo a ne pitamo se odakle su.
   
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Drago Kovacevic  11:05 22.10.2007
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cvtrom
Daj Radovane, pa inetrnet koji ti cini pola zivota su izmislili i podarili planeti, drugo pogledaj po kuci samo sta najvise koristis od telfona (fiksnog i mobilnog) pa do ostalih kucnih aparata. Da ne pricam o tvojim omiljenim grupama i autorima, moras biti malo objektivan slazem se da se Americi moze zameriti mnogo ali im treba i odati mnogo priznanja za gomilu drugih stvari koje prihvatamo zdravo za gotovo a ne pitamo se odakle su.

Džaba o tome pričati...o))
Sve što je u svetu najkvalitetnije ide tamo. Dve trećine svetske nauke i znanja je tamo koncentrisano.
Ali, kritičari se uvek vrate na Indijance i bizone...o)))
   
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МАРШАЛ ЖУКОВ  11:15 22.10.2007
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Re: Radovane, izvini ali

Drago Kovacevic
cvtrom
Daj Radovane, pa inetrnet koji ti cini pola zivota su izmislili i podarili planeti, drugo pogledaj po kuci samo sta najvise koristis od telfona (fiksnog i mobilnog) pa do ostalih kucnih aparata. Da ne pricam o tvojim omiljenim grupama i autorima, moras biti malo objektivan slazem se da se Americi moze zameriti mnogo ali im treba i odati mnogo priznanja za gomilu drugih stvari koje prihvatamo zdravo za gotovo a ne pitamo se odakle su.

Džaba o tome pričati...o))
Sve što je u svetu najkvalitetnije ide tamo. Dve trećine svetske nauke i znanja je tamo koncentrisano.
Ali, kritičari se uvek vrate na Indijance i bizone...o)))


Ово баш и није 100% тачно, не иде баш све што је најквалитетније тамо...
Ето, на пример, нису увек сви нобеловци у Америци, ако ћемо судити по њима.
Пуно људи тамо иде, наравно, без сваке сумње, поготово ако у својој земљи не могу да раде свој посао како би хтели. То се углавном дешава са људима из сиромашних земаља, а њима је ипак лакше отићи у Америку, што због пара, јер се боље плаћа, што због језика, енглески данас углавном сви знају, што због односа према странцима... Ту Европа још увек губи трку са Америком.
Гледе оне две трећине, није ни то баш тако, то је паушална оцена прилично. Где ста нашли такав податак ? Да је пуно тамо сконцентрисано, јесте, но, колико, не знам, питање је како то и измерити.

Не мора се човек враћати на Индијанце и Бизоне да би критиковао Америку, немају они само тог путера на глави, то је бар свима јасно.
А бити критичар или покушавати бити већи католик од самог папе, лични је избор.
   
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cvtrom  11:38 22.10.2007
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Radovan Nastić
:):)
u jednoj rečenici - Amerika je genocidna tvorevina od svog nastanka do danas.

Zalosna je sudbina Severno americkih Indijanaca, ali bi morao malo da razmislis dublje kada dajes takve kvalifikacije.
Na primer drzava Srbija je po tome genocidna tvorevina jer je nastala istrebljivanjem i asimilovanjem, Ilirskog starosedelackog stanovnistva od strane slovenskih plemena Srba i Hrvata, koje je bilo toliko temeljno da do danasnjeg dana prakticno nemamo gotovo nikakvih podataka o njihovoj kulturi i obicajima.
Sam Rusija je u isto vreme dok su amerikanci istrabljivali Indijance, isterbljivala starosedeoce zakavkaskih kaganata, podatak koji se malo zna je do je u ruskim osvajanjima od 17-19 veka istrebljeno oko 40-tak jedinstvenih etnickih zajednica nastanjenih na prostoru zakavkazija te su prezivele samo one najmnogoljudnije Ujuguri, Tadzici, Gruzini i sl.
Istorija je nemilosrdna kao i napredak, ali zapitaj se da li bi se na primer srpski vojnik ponasao drugacije od americkog a da nas na primer umesto 8 ima 80 mil i da su nam moc i uticaj srazmerno populaciji veci. Pogledaj izvestaje o nasim zverstvima u poslednjih 10-tak godina. Sta mislis koliko bi ludaka i ubica mi imali da nas je 80 mil ili 300 mil? A koliko vrhunskih naucnika, pisaca, umetnika?
Zlo je na zalost u ljudskoj prirodi i nije vezano samo za jednu drzavu i njene stanovnike, imaj to na umu.
   
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МАРШАЛ ЖУКОВ  11:56 22.10.2007
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cvtrom

Zlo je na zalost u ljudskoj prirodi i nije vezano samo za jednu drzavu i njene stanovnike, imaj to na umu.


На жалост, тешко је не сложити се са овим. Ужасно али тачно.
Но, нормалан човек то никада не би смео ни на који начин да оправдава, ма са које стране долазило. Освајачи су криви, а не онај који се брани.
Једноставно, Америка је сада најјача на свету (да не кажем владајућа странка у парламенту). Остали су опозиција, каква таква, а вероватно би постала иста ако "дође на власт" као Америка.
Но, баш због тога што су "на власти" сада, Американце треба највише и критиковати, јер они могу највише ствари да промене.
Кад и ако други дођу на власт, критиковаћемо и њих, јер безгрешни сигурно нису. Ако (до)преживимо "смену власти", наравно.
   
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cvtrom  12:16 22.10.2007
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Opravdanje za zlo ne postoji.
Protiv bilo koje vrste zla se boris, kako umes i mozes.
Mislim da bi pre svega trebali da se posvetimo sopstvenom zlu i da se protiv njega borimo a tek onda sa tudjim. Godinama su nam toliko mazali oci necim drugim da smo zaboravili da gledamo na ono sto se nalazi ispred nas.
Nemam nista protiv bilo koje vrste kritike ukoliko je objektivna, tako da za svaku losu stvar koju je Amerika napravila (a ima mnogo) moramo uzeti u obzir da slicne ili iste stvari cine i drugi, pre svega Rusija i Kina. U beskonacnoj debati o, napr genocidu, na kraju doalzimo u paradoksalnu situaciju da merimo, neke tudje leseve i obaramo ruke oko toga ko je vise ljudi pobio i ko je kriv a koje prav a pri tome gubimo iz vida zlo genocida i uzasnu stvar koju on predstavlja i da po tom pitanju nema nevinih. Za mene nema razlike izmedju 10 mil pobijenih indijanaca ili 2 mil pobijenih Gruzina.
Setite se samo paradoksa dok su se Legija i Cume prepucavali po novinama a ljudi se svrstavali uz jednog ili drugog i davali im za pravo. To je islo dotle da su se pravile emisije tipa ko je u pravu a pri tom se radi o dva zlikovca za koje da zive 1000 godina ne bi bilo dovoljno robije.
   
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МАРШАЛ ЖУКОВ  12:29 22.10.2007
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cvtrom
Opravdanje za zlo ne postoji.
Protiv bilo koje vrste zla se boris, kako umes i mozes.
Mislim da bi pre svega trebali da se posvetimo sopstvenom zlu i da se protiv njega borimo a tek onda sa tudjim. Godinama su nam toliko mazali oci necim drugim da smo zaboravili da gledamo na ono sto se nalazi ispred nas.
Nemam nista protiv bilo koje vrste kritike ukoliko je objektivna, tako da za svaku losu stvar koju je Amerika napravila (a ima mnogo) moramo uzeti u obzir da slicne ili iste stvari cine i drugi, pre svega Rusija i Kina. U beskonacnoj debati o, napr genocidu, na kraju doalzimo u paradoksalnu situaciju da merimo, neke tudje leseve i obaramo ruke oko toga ko je vise ljudi pobio i ko je kriv a koje prav a pri tome gubimo iz vida zlo genocida i uzasnu stvar koju on predstavlja i da po tom pitanju nema nevinih. Za mene nema razlike izmedju 10 mil pobijenih indijanaca ili 2 mil pobijenih Gruzina.
Setite se samo paradoksa dok su se Legija i Cume prepucavali po novinama a ljudi se svrstavali uz jednog ili drugog i davali im za pravo. To je islo dotle da su se pravile emisije tipa ko je u pravu a pri tom se radi o dva zlikovca za koje da zive 1000 godina ne bi bilo dovoljno robije.


Слажем се, скоро 100%, поготово око лицемерја по питању броја жртава, шта је геноцид, шта није... Тешка питања, у сваком случају.

Но, не видим зашто бисмо узимали у обзир злочине других ако критикујемо злочине првих. Умањује ли то на било који начин било који злочин ? Не, ја бих рекао. Хоћемо ли их можда правдати на начин : ето, убијају Американци широм света, али убијају и други, па ето, тако мора, шта да радимо...
Тако не мора и против тога треба да буде сваки нормалан човек.

У сваком случају, Американци су ти који сада иду по свету и бомбардују и окупирају друге међународно признате државе - и то раде селективно, наравно. Ту су најгори тренутно, убедљиво, не знам ко то још данас ради осим њих. То лицемерје и дволичност су мени најгори.
   
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vlada dvm  13:08 22.10.2007
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Drago Kovacevic

cvtromDaj Radovane, pa inetrnet koji ti cini pola zivota su izmislili i podarili planeti, drugo pogledaj po kuci samo sta najvise koristis od telfona (fiksnog i mobilnog) pa do ostalih kucnih aparata. Da ne pricam o tvojim omiljenim grupama i autorima, moras biti malo objektivan slazem se da se Americi moze zameriti mnogo ali im treba i odati mnogo priznanja za gomilu drugih stvari koje prihvatamo zdravo za gotovo a ne pitamo se odakle su. Džaba o tome pričati...o))Sve što je u svetu najkvalitetnije ide tamo. Dve trećine svetske nauke i znanja je tamo koncentrisano.Ali, kritičari se uvek vrate na Indijance i bizone...o)))


A sto ste jos uvek ovde?!?!?!
   
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cvtrom  13:21 22.10.2007
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Trebalo bi da se bavimo zlocinom i zlom.
Za Ameriku nema opravdanja po tom pitanju, niti ga sme biti za bilo koga ko to cini. Medjutim ne mozemo se svesti na to da je dovoljno da se bavimo samo jedom drzavom a zanemarujemo ostale koji cine zlo. Za mene stvari koje radi Amerika od intervencije u Iraku, preko finansiranja i podrske totalitarnih rezima u Latinskoj Americi i jos koje cemu, su uzasno lose i zasluzuju osudu ali zbog toga ne bi treblo da zanemarimo ostale po principu bavim se Amerikom jel je najveca, najmocnija i sl. a drugi me ne zanimaju.
U tom smislu sam protiv Amerike ali i Rusije, Kine, Burkine Faso...
Sa druge strane u svakoj zemlji pored koje kakvih koji su na vlasti postoji veci ili manji broj ljudi koji su za svaku pohvalu i uzor. Bespotrebno je navoditi koliki su pozitivni doprinosi Amerike i Rusije napr. covecanstvu. Zbog tog toga i insitiram na objektivnosti i principu da se na trpa cela nacija u jedan kos zbog zlodela vladajuce nomenklature (setimo se samo Srbije 90-tih). Na svakog Busa, Cejnija i sl imate po nekog Son Pena, u tome je i poenta Son Pen se ne bori protiv Amerike vec zla koje ona cini i ljudi koji to sprovode u ime svih njih. Ja ne mogu da kazem da je Amerika, samim tim i svi amerikanci, zlikovac kad je u pitanju grupa (manja ili veca) ljudi koja to cini, jel na taj nacin i Son Pena svrstavam medju njih. Pogledajte istoriju Amerike i videce te da svest i borba protiv njihovih gresaka i zlodela pre svega kretala iz Amerike same. Da li to isto mozemo reci za Kinu napr. , pogotovo posle Tjenanmena? Mozda svi sa pravom ocekujemo nesto vise i konkretnije ali izgleda da u ovom trenutku to nije moguce.
   
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Radovan Nastić  13:41 22.10.2007
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Drago & ekipa nikako da uspeju da pročitaju da je ovo kritika američke politike :):) Možda i pročitaju, ali ne kapiraju.
Ali ok, oni vide samo što njima odgovara da vide.
pozdrav za vladu dvm -a , postavio je pravo pitanje :):):)
   
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ivana23  13:48 22.10.2007
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Radovan Nastić
Drago & ekipa nikako da uspeju da pročitaju da je ovo kritika američke politike :):) Možda i pročitaju, ali ne kapiraju. Ali ok, oni vide samo što njima odgovara da vide. pozdrav za vladu dvm -a , postavio je pravo pitanje :):):)
Sa sajta B92, njegove komentare objavljuju svake nedelje, a i vikend izdanje lista Danas:
http://www.b92.net/info/moj_ugao/index.php?yyyy=2007&mm=10&nav_id=268774&version=print
   
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Kasper  13:49 22.10.2007
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Radovan Nastić
:):) u jednoj rečenici - Amerika je genocidna tvorevina od svog nastanka do danas.Veruješ mi na reč ? :)I mnogo je lepše u originalu...


Kao gimnazijalac sam na zidu svoje sobe drzao sliku R.Regana i americku zastavu. Koji sam ja papak bio!!!
   
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МАРШАЛ ЖУКОВ  13:53 22.10.2007
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cvtrom
Trebalo bi da se bavimo zlocinom i zlom.
Za Ameriku nema opravdanja po tom pitanju, niti ga sme biti za bilo koga ko to cini. Medjutim ne mozemo se svesti na to da je dovoljno da se bavimo samo jedom drzavom a zanemarujemo ostale koji cine zlo. Za mene stvari koje radi Amerika od intervencije u Iraku, preko finansiranja i podrske totalitarnih rezima u Latinskoj Americi i jos koje cemu, su uzasno lose i zasluzuju osudu ali zbog toga ne bi treblo da zanemarimo ostale po principu bavim se Amerikom jel je najveca, najmocnija i sl. a drugi me ne zanimaju.
U tom smislu sam protiv Amerike ali i Rusije, Kine, Burkine Faso...
Sa druge strane u svakoj zemlji pored koje kakvih koji su na vlasti postoji veci ili manji broj ljudi koji su za svaku pohvalu i uzor. Bespotrebno je navoditi koliki su pozitivni doprinosi Amerike i Rusije napr. covecanstvu. Zbog tog toga i insitiram na objektivnosti i principu da se na trpa cela nacija u jedan kos zbog zlodela vladajuce nomenklature (setimo se samo Srbije 90-tih). Na svakog Busa, Cejnija i sl imate po nekog Son Pena, u tome je i poenta Son Pen se ne bori protiv Amerike vec zla koje ona cini i ljudi koji to sprovode u ime svih njih. Ja ne mogu da kazem da je Amerika, samim tim i svi amerikanci, zlikovac kad je u pitanju grupa (manja ili veca) ljudi koja to cini, jel na taj nacin i Son Pena svrstavam medju njih. Pogledajte istoriju Amerike i videce te da svest i borba protiv njihovih gresaka i zlodela pre svega kretala iz Amerike same. Da li to isto mozemo reci za Kinu napr. , pogotovo posle Tjenanmena? Mozda svi sa pravom ocekujemo nesto vise i konkretnije ali izgleda da u ovom trenutku to nije moguce.


Опет се слажем, наравно да кад се каже Америка да се не мисли на све људе тамо, па тим генерализацијама су склони само они којима размишљање и није баш јача страна...
Кад се каже Америка, Русија или Кина, мисли се на њихову политику, бар је тако код мене...
   
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Drago Kovacevic  13:55 22.10.2007
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Re: Radovane, izvini ali

Radovan Nastić
Drago & ekipa nikako da uspeju da pročitaju da je ovo kritika američke politike :):) Možda i pročitaju, ali ne kapiraju.
Ali ok, oni vide samo što njima odgovara da vide.
pozdrav za vladu dvm -a , postavio je pravo pitanje :):):)

Ma Radovane, čitam kako ne...ali nekako da se svodim na vreme kad su kolonizatori i pioniri osvajali divlji zapad, neproduktivno je..o))
A ovde sam zato što volim Srbiju....i voleo bih da bude bolja od USA...
   
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Radovan Nastić  14:11 22.10.2007
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Ivana...

Eto, neka sada odgovore Vijilemu. A vidim, komentara NULA.

Lepo reče ''Mi više nemamo moralni autoritet da držimo lekcije drugim zemljama zbog njihovog delovanja. ''

Hvala.

   
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ivana23  14:15 22.10.2007
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Re: Ivana...

Radovan Nastić
Eto, neka sada odgovore Vijilemu. A vidim, komentara NULA.Lepo reče ''Mi više nemamo moralni autoritet da držimo lekcije drugim zemljama zbog njihovog delovanja. ''Hvala.

Cesto je tako Radovane, stavim link sa izjavom nekog neutralnog koji potvrdjuje osnovnu tezu bloga, a onda oponenti nista... prave se da ne vide.
   
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Radovan Nastić  14:27 22.10.2007
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Pa bolja je od USA, Drago...

zato si i ovde.

A Šon Pen nije kritikovao i okomio se na kolonizatore, već na ove nove - isti gen, 2 veka kasnije.
   
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Radovan Nastić  14:29 22.10.2007
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Re: Ivana...

Uvek je tako. Ali ok, što kaže moj prijatelj - BUDA VIDI BUDU, SVINJA VIDI SVINJU.

Ma oni i ne čitaju drugačija mišljenja, ako nisi sa njima - protiv njih si.

Jadno i tužno.
   
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Radovan Nastić  14:32 22.10.2007
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Andjelija,

Pa ovo uopšte nije loše.... Šta stavlja na kosu ? :)
Evo ti moj favorit...
   
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МАРШАЛ ЖУКОВ  14:34 22.10.2007
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Re: Pa bolja je od USA, Drago...

Radovan Nastić
zato si i ovde.

A Šon Pen nije kritikovao i okomio se na kolonizatore, već na ove nove - isti gen, 2 veka kasnije.


О томе се највише и ради... Ако кренемо у прошлост, где и када да станемо ? Може се из прошлости извући доста тога, скоро за сваког и доброг и лошег, но како то сабрати и одузети, па измерити ?

А ако гледамо шта се у садашњности збива, Америка има највише путера на глави и њихова тренутно доноси највише мртвих и највише бомби. Највеће силеџије, а у све "демократске" тикве дувају и држе другима слово шта и како треба да раде... Лицемерје.
   
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Radovan Nastić  14:41 22.10.2007
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Kaspere - imao si na zidu glumca !! :)

Videh ga u par scena. Bez harizme. Zato je otpočeo planove pod imenom STAR WARS :):)
   
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andjelija  16:20 22.10.2007
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Re: Andjelija,

jaoo ovo je prava devojchica pesma :))))

lepo podsecanje

merci :)

   
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Radovan Nastić  16:41 22.10.2007
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Re: Andjelija,

Hoćeš da kažeš da imam ženskog u sebi ?? a možda sam novi Fredi... :):)
   
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andjelija  16:45 22.10.2007
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Re: Andjelija,

Radovan Nastić
Hoćeš da kažeš da imam ženskog u sebi ?? a možda sam novi Fredi... :):)



hahahha :)))))


jedan je freddie :)))))

volim ovu pesmu i svaki put kada je cujem osecam se kao da sam tinejdzerka ...z.ato kazem devojchica pesma.
   
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Radovan Nastić  16:56 22.10.2007
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Maršale...

Upravo to, Maršale !

Da se vraćamo u prošlost, otišlo bi do amebe.

Sadašnjost je bitna. Zbog budućnosti. Pa pogledaj idiota. Taj odredjuje živote miliona ljudi ??? Koga da ne bude sramota ovog stvorenja ?? Samo njihove marionete...

   
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Radovan Nastić  16:58 22.10.2007
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Re: Andjelija,

ma genijalna stvar :)

gde sam ono ostavio puder...

:)
   
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Radovan Nastić  17:12 22.10.2007
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Ivana...Ivana Ivana !!!

Evo, da ne preskaču linkove, neka preskaču tekstove !!

Pogled iz Cavtata

Američkoj demokratiji neophodna je ozbiljna revizija

21. oktobar 2007. | Vilijem Montgomeri

Iako su Sjedinjene Države očito religiozna zemlja koja obuhvata brojne vere, spreman sam da tvrdim da je naša stvarna religija još više "demokratija". Mi stavljamo naglasak na "slobodne i poštene izbore", pitanja ljudskih prava i neophodnost demokratskih vrednosti. Baš kao što su misionari vekovima putovali u najudaljenije krajeve sveta da bi doneli istinsku veru paganima, tako njihovi moderni ekvivalentni idu u svet da prevedu obraćenike u demokratiju. Nećete naći mnogo političkih govora u Sjedinjenim Državama koji ne sadrže svete reči - sloboda, demokratija, ljudska prava.


Svake godine objavljujemo izveštaje o svakoj bogovetnoj zemlji u svetu gde detaljno ocenjujemo stanje ljudskih prava u njima. Osnovali smo "Z