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Update:
Poceli su da "izranjaju" telegrami u kojima se spominje Balkan.
Kako se koji pojavi, bice postavljen kao zaseban komentar.
Vec sam stavio jedan iz decembra 2006

Brzo, kratko i jasno.Evo izvolite
Na linkovima bice objavljeni svi, ukljucujuci i one sa Balkana

DEPESE

The Guardian

The New York Times

Spiegel

Nije me mrzelo da izvucem iz tabele.Najvise depesa je poslato iz Beograda:
14.08.2009 komada 5
11.08. 2009 komada 5
24. 04. 2009 komada 5
03. 09 2009 komada 4

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Oljacat 23:00 28.11.2010

Zaista ...

Svaka čast na brzini !

nsarski 23:01 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

Svaka čast na brzini !

Ma, covek je brzi od onog pokojnog novinara koji se zvao Tanjug (Kinez li je valjda, Tajlandjanin?) - taj je stizao u sve krajeve sveta za 24 sata!

mikimedic 23:15 28.11.2010

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They also reveal why an alleged major Serbian war criminal has never been caught;

ko prvi nadje nek objavi.

jaksa scekic 23:17 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

mikimedic
They also reveal why an alleged major Serbian war criminal has never been caught;

ko prvi nadje nek objavi.

Koliko sam video, to ce tek biti sutra

mlekac 23:18 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

jaksa scekic
mikimedic
They also reveal why an alleged major Serbian war criminal has never been caught;

ko prvi nadje nek objavi.

Koliko sam video, to ce tek biti sutra

Dobro te objasni, ubih se da pronadjem Balkanske, a do sad ne videh ni jedan...

Virtuelni Vasilije 23:26 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

jaksa scekic
mikimedic
They also reveal why an alleged major Serbian war criminal has never been caught;

ko prvi nadje nek objavi.

Koliko sam video, to ce tek biti sutra

Hm, videcemo ... i ja sam to video i hteo da postujem ovde ali vidim da tog dela teksta nema vise ni na ovom linku Miki ...
Inace nadjoh kod Spiegel-a da u "zbirci" ima skoro hiljadu depesa i iz Beograda ...

palilula92 23:27 28.11.2010

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ni ja, procita ali se mi nigde ne pominjemo.

mikimedic 23:28 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

vidim i ja da su ga sad sklonili.

imas taj link iz spiegela?

cult 23:28 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

ovo je sve za sada o Balkanu
LINAK

Virtuelni Vasilije 23:33 28.11.2010

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mikimedic
vidim i ja da su ga sad sklonili.

imas taj link iz spiegela?

To je neka interaktivna mapa gde se vidi samo koliko dokumenata ima iz pojedinih redgiona (tajnost etc.) ali ne moze se prici pojedinacnim dokumentima ... a ostalo sto sam video kod njih je ono sto je Nemcima interesantno ... doduse bacio sam samo pogled ...

mikimedic 23:34 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

fala...

bice ovo vesela noc/nedelja/mesec...

Virtuelni Vasilije 23:40 28.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

mikimedic
vidim i ja da su ga sad sklonili.

evo imam jos uvek browser window otvoren gde je ona verzija teksta koju si ti citirao:

The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.

At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables – many designated "secret" – the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership. These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues.

These include a shift in relations between China and North Korea, high level concerns over Pakistan's growing instability and details of clandestine US efforts to combat al-Qaida in Yemen.

Among scores of disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail:

• Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme, with officials warning that as the country faces economic collapse, government employees could smuggle out enough nuclear material for terrorists to build a bomb.

• Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government, with one cable alleging that vice president Zia Massoud was carrying $52m in cash when he was stopped during a visit to the United Arab Emirates. Massoud denies taking money out of Afghanistan.

• How the hacker attacks which forced Google to quit China in January were orchestrated by a senior member of the Politburo who typed his own name into the global version of the search engine and found articles criticising him personally.

• The extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, which is causing intense US suspicion. Cables detail allegations of "lavish gifts", lucrative energy contracts and the use by Berlusconi of a "shadowy" Russian-speaking Italian go-between.

• Allegations that Russia and its intelligence agencies are using mafia bosses to carry out criminal operations, with one cable reporting that the relationship is so close that the country has become a "virtual mafia state".

• Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan by US commanders, the Afghan president and local officials in Helmand. The dispatches reveal particular contempt for the failure to impose security around Sangin – the town which has claimed more British lives than any other in the country.

• Inappropriate remarks by a member of the British royal family about a UK law enforcement agency and a foreign country.

The US has particularly intimate dealings with Britain, and some of the dispatches from the London embassy in Grosvenor Square will make uncomfortable reading in Whitehall and Westminster. They range from political criticisms of David Cameron to requests for specific intelligence about individual MPs.

The cables contain specific allegations of corruption, as well as harsh criticism by US embassy staff of their host governments, from Caribbean islands to China and Russia. The material includes a reference to Putin as an "alpha-dog", Hamid Karzai as being "driven by paranoia" while Angela Merkel allegedly "avoids risk and is rarely creative". There is also a comparison between Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler.

The cables names Saudi donors as the biggest financiers of terror groups, and provide an extraordinarily detailed account of an agreement between Washington and Yemen to cover up the use of US planes to bomb al-Qaida targets. One cable records that during a meeting in January with General David Petraeus, then US commander in the Middle East, Yemeni president Abdullah Saleh said: "We'll continue saying they are our bombs, not yours."

Other revelations include a description of a near "environmental disaster" last year over a rogue shipment of enriched uranium, technical details of secret US-Russian nuclear missile negotiations in Geneva, and a profile of Libya's Muammar Gaddafi, who they say is accompanied everywhere by a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse.

A worldwide diplomatic crisis for the US is in prospect following the leaking of hundreds of thousands of secret cables sent from its embassies.

The dispatches, to which the Guardian has obtained unprecedented access, reveal startling information about the behaviour of the world's major superpower.

They include high-level allegations of corruption against foreign leaders, harsh criticisms and frank insights into the world of normally- secret diplomacy.

Among literallyscores of revelations which may cause uproar, some will be particularly dismaying in Britain. They include:

• Highly critical private remarks about David Cameron and George Osborne's "lack of depth", made by Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England, to the US ambassador.

• A scornful analysis of UK "paranoia" over the US-UK so-called special relationship. It is suggested that "keeping HMGthe British government "off-balance" about itthe relationship might be a good idea.

• US shock at the rude behaviour of Prince Andrew when abroad.

• Secret US military missions flown from a UK base, which Britain alleged could involve torture.

• A plan to deceive the British parliament over the use of banned US weapons.

The Guardian will be publishing extracts in the coming days from a selection of the most significant of more than 250,000 of these diplomatic cables, which were radioed back to Washington via satellite links from US embassies all over the world.

Among many allegations of corruption, the dispatches name a prominent western leader said to be in receipt of Russian bribes, a senior Afghan politician stopped at an airport with more than $50m in suitcases and a British businessman at the centre of a corruption scandal in Kazakhstan.

They name the "single most hated person" in a country the US relies on to help prosecute its war in Afghanistan; and they reveal deep fears about the safety of one state's nuclear weapons.

They also reveal why an alleged major Serbian war criminal has never been caught; why North Korea is soon likely to collapse and how an "environmental disaster" was only narrowly averted last year over secret shipments of highly enriched uranium.

Topics covered range from the technical detail of secret US-Russian nuclear missile negotiations in Geneva, to an intimate personality profile of Colonel Gaddaffi, the eccentric Libyan dictator, who they say is nowadays accompanied everywhere by a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse.

The cables cover secretary of state Hillary Clinton's work under the Obama administration, as well as thousands of files from the Bush presidency.Clinton led a frantic damage limitation exercise this weekend as Washington prepared foreign governments for the revelations, contacting leaders in Germany, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf, France and Afghanistan.

US ambassadors in other capitals were instructed to brief their hosts in advance of the release of unflattering pen-portraits or nakedly frank accounts of transactions with the US which they had thought would be kept quiet. Washington now faces a difficult task in convincing contacts around the world that any future conversations will remain confidential.

As the cables were published the White House released a statement condemning their release. "Such disclosures put at risk our diplomats, intelligence professionals, and people around the world who come to the US for assistance in promoting democracy and open government. By releasing stolen and classified documents, WikiLeaks has put at risk not only the cause of human rights but also the lives and work of these individuals."

In London, a Foreign Office spokesman said: "We condemn any unauthorised release of this classified information, just as we condemn leaks of classified material in the UK. They can damage national security, are not in the national interest and, as the US have said, may put lives at risk. We have a very strong relationship with the US Government. That will continue".

The state department's legal adviser has written to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and his London lawyer, warning that the cables were obtained illegally and that publication would place at risk "the lives of countless innocent individuals … ongoing military operations … and cooperation between countries".

The electronic archive of embassy dispatches from around the world was allegedly downloaded by a US soldier earlier this year and passed to WikiLeaks. Assange made them available to the Guardian and four other news organisations: the New York Times, Der Spiegel in Germany, Le Monde in France and El País in Spain. All five plan to publish extracts from the most significant cables, but have decided neither to "dump" the entire dataset into the public domain, nor to publish names that would endanger innocent individuals. WikiLeaks says that, contrary to the state department's fears, it also initially intends to post only limited cable extracts, and to redact identities.

The cables published today reveal how the US uses its embassies as part of a global espionage network, with diplomats tasked to obtain not just information from the people they meet, but personal details, such as frequent flyer numbers, credit card details and even DNA material.

Classified "human intelligence directives" issued in the name of Clinton or her predecessor, Condoleezza Rice, instruct officials to gather information on military installations, weapons markings, vehicle details of political leaders as well as iris scans, fingerprints and DNA.

The most controversial target was the UN leadership. That directive requested the specification of telecoms and IT systems used by top officials and their staff and details of "private VIP networks used for official communication, to include upgrades, security measures, passwords, personal encryption keys".

PJ Crowley, the state department spokesman in Washington, said: "Let me assure you: our diplomats are just that, diplomats. They do not engage in intelligence activities. They represent our country around the world, maintain open and transparent contact with other governments as well as public and private figures, and report home. That's what diplomats have done for hundreds of years."

Last night the acting deputy spokesman for Ban Ki Moon, Farhan Haq, said the UN chief had no immediate comment: "We are aware of the reports."

The dispatches also shed light on older diplomatic issues. One cable, for example, reveals, that Nelson Mandela was "furious" when a top adviser stopped him meeting Margaret Thatcher shortly after his release from prison to explain why the ANC objected to her policy of "constructive engagement" with the apartheid regime. "We understand Mandela was keen for a Thatcher meeting but that [appointments secretary Zwelakhe] Sisulu argued successfully against it," according to the cable. It continues: "Mandela has on several occasions expressed his eagerness for an early meeting with Thatcher to express the ANC's objections to her policy. We were consequently surprised when the meeting didn't materialise on his mid-April visit to London and suspected that ANC hardliners had nixed Mandela's plans."

The US embassy cables are marked "Sipdis" – secret internet protocol distribution. They were compiled as part of a programme under which selected dispatches, considered moderately secret but suitable for sharing with other agencies, would be automatically loaded on to secure embassy websites, and linked with the military's Siprnet internet system.

They are classified at various levels up to "secret noforn" [no foreigners]. More than 11,000 are marked secret, while around 9,000 of the cables are marked noforn.

More than 3 million US government personnel and soldiers, many extremely junior, are cleared to have potential access to this material, even though the cables contain the identities of foreign informants, often sensitive contacts in dictatorial regimes. Some are marked "protect" or "strictly protect".

Last spring, 22-year-old intelligence analyst Bradley Manning was charged with leaking many of these cables, along with a gun-camera video of an Apache helicopter crew mistakenly killing two Reuters news agency employees in Baghdad in 2007, which was subsequently posted by WikiLeaks. Manning is facing a court martial.

In July and October WikiLeaks also published thousands of leaked military reports from Afghanistan and Iraq. These were made available for analysis beforehand to the Guardian, along with Der Spiegel and the New York Times.

A former hacker, Adrian Lamo, who reported Manning to the US authorities, said the soldier had told him in chat messages that the cables revealed "how the first world exploits the third, in detail".

He also said, according to Lamo, that Clinton "and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available in searchable format to the public … everywhere there's a US post … there's a diplomatic scandal that will be revealed".

Asked why such sensitive material was posted on a network accessible to thousands of government employees, the state department spokesman told the Guardian: "The 9/11 attacks and their aftermath revealed gaps in intra-governmental information sharing. Since the attacks of 9/11, the US government has taken significant steps to facilitate information sharing. These efforts were focused on giving diplomatic, military, law enforcement and intelligence specialists quicker and easier access to more data to more effectively do their jobs."

He added: "We have been taking aggressive action in recent weeks and months to enhance the security of our systems and to prevent the leak of information."

lakipingvin 01:18 29.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

bice ovo vesela noc/nedelja/mesec...

potpuno je jasno da je jedini razlog nastavka svih daljih istrazivanja Gadafijeva blondi voluptuous Ukrajinka

joseywales 01:36 29.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

"NYT"
Libyan President Mumammar al-Qadhafi apparently keeps a "voluptuous blonde"
Ukranian nurse named Galyna Kolotnytska at his side at all times. According to
one cable: "the Libyan Government sent a private jet to ferry her from Libya to
Portugal to meet up with the Leader during his rest-stop. Some embassy contacts
have claimed that Qadhafi and the 38 year-old Kolotnytska have a romantic
relationship. While he did not comment on such rumors, a Ukrainian political
officer recently confirmed that the Ukrainian nurses 'travel everywhere with the
Leader.'" The cable says Kolotnytska is always with Qadhafi because "she alone
knows his routine."

prajsles

Bili Piton 01:56 29.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

joseywales

prajsles

Reklo bi se da je taj double entendre nameran

spadalo92 02:39 29.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

nsarski
Svaka čast na brzini !

Ma, covek je brzi od onog pokojnog novinara koji se zvao Tanjug (Kinez li je valjda, Tajlandjanin?) - taj je stizao u sve krajeve sveta za 24 sata!

Telegrafska Agencija Nova JUGoslavija

joseywales 02:44 29.11.2010

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spadalo92
nsarski
Svaka čast na brzini !

Ma, covek je brzi od onog pokojnog novinara koji se zvao Tanjug (Kinez li je valjda, Tajlandjanin?) - taj je stizao u sve krajeve sveta za 24 sata!

Telegrafska Agencija Nova JUGoslavija

nsarski 05:32 29.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

Telegrafska Agencija Nova JUGoslavija

Ha, ha, hvala na informaciji! Ovo je, zapravo, stari vic jos iz vremena kad smo Jaksa i ja bili mladi...:)))))))))

koksy 11:12 29.11.2010

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Telegrafska Agencija Nova JUGoslavija

Jesi li zaista spadalo ili si progutao udicu?

ours 13:47 30.11.2010

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Jakša Šćekić
Koliko sam video, to ce tek biti sutra

cablegate.wikileaks.org
Currently released so far... 281 / 251,287

Ovim tempom (za ovih par dana objavljen tek 1‰ - PROMIL - svih depeša) biće možda za 100 godina.

Naravno, sve depeše objavljene u Guardianu, Spiegelu i drugde ulaze u ovih 1‰.

alselone 14:03 30.11.2010

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Ali zamislimo da su objavljeni svi iz cuga. Malo jaci spin (kao na primer tri dana pucanja u Koreji) i sve je zaboravljeno.

Ovako je pun pogodak.

lakipingvin 15:14 30.11.2010

Re: Zaista ...

(za ovih par dana objavljen tek 1‰ - PROMIL - svih depeša)

i sa tim jednim promilom covek je uradio vise za sveCki mir nego Obama sa svim njegovim obecanjima...

Milan Novković 02:17 01.12.2010

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Ali zamislimo da su objavljeni svi iz cuga. Malo jaci spin (kao na primer tri dana pucanja u Koreji) i sve je zaboravljeno.

Možda. Samo ovde ne spinuje samo Clinton Inc, nego i njeni protivnici. Očigledno su i oni pri vrhu premijer lige pošto su leaks opasan potez.

Oni su joj ovo verovatno i smestili. Meni se bizarno prosta pitanja nameću - Obama je slab i Clintonka je postala opasan kandidat već u sledećim izborima - taj deo spina je već u produkciji.

Ali slab Obama je nekome dobar, zato su ga i progurali do predsednika. Kome? Oni su spretniji u spinningu! I očigledno moćniji.

Klintonka im ne odgovara i treba da ide sa pozicije ministra spoljnih poslova na način koji će je oslabiti i izbaciti iz trke.

Tako je meni najinteresantnije kako će se priča razvijati oko nje. Većina ostalog je paravan koji celoj priči za široke mase daje kredibilitet. Bar se meni tako čini.

Interesantno je kako, zašto i gde su se podelili interesi nevidljive, svetske, nadnacionalne vrhuške, u zajedništvu sa velikim biznisom.

Možda i nisu nego su samo "neki novi klinci" iza Klintonovih počeli da, u senci Obamine slabosti, prerano, naivno i grubo vuku poteze, otimaju teren, za koje, u stvari, nisu bili spremni.

lakipingvin 12:59 01.12.2010

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"neki novi klinci" iza Klintonovih počeli da, u senci Obamine slabosti, prerano, naivno i grubo vuku poteze, otimaju teren, za koje, u stvari, nisu bili spremni.

lepo receno...samo ne da nisu spremni vec i kad budu potpuno spremni oni nece moci dobiti bitku na tom terenu,ali meni su najsmesniji trenutno ljudi u DoD-ju na zasticenim kompjuterima koji jos uvek nemaju prilaz informacijama sa nezasticenih kompjutera tako da su trenutno u stvari jedini koji nemogu da vide sav kontent wikilinka

...

Milan Novković 13:02 01.12.2010

Re: Zaista ...

nemaju prilaz informacijama sa nezasticenih kompjutera

Moraju preko iPhonea kad izađu na pauzu za ručak

lakipingvin 13:08 01.12.2010

Re: Zaista ...

Moraju preko iPhonea kad izađu na pauzu za ručak

edit: ipak mislim da ce NYT biti njihov spas narednih nekoliko dana

jednatanja 23:19 28.11.2010

kao deca...

Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama.

jaksa scekic 23:27 28.11.2010

US vs. UN

Washington is running a secret intelligence campaign targeted at the leadership of the United Nations, including the secretary general, Ban Ki-moon and the permanent security council representatives from China, Russia, France and the UK.

A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton's name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications systems used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.

It called for detailed biometric information "on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders" as well as intelligence on Ban's "management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat". A parallel intelligence directive sent to diplomats in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi said biometric data included DNA, fingerprints and iris scans.

Washington also wanted credit card numbers, email addresses, phone, fax and pager numbers and even frequent-flyer account numbers for UN figures and "biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives".

Bojan Budimac 23:30 28.11.2010

Pa sad...

da će na tim mestima biti objavljeno svih četvrt miliJona telegrama teško...

Biće tu cherry picking-a samo tako, baš kao što su spinovi, tipa šta je u telegramima koje niko nije (još) video počeli da se valjaju štampom još pre nedelju dana (londonski Al Hajat se baš isticao).

Gardijan je, za sada, uradio najbolji posao. Dao je mogućnost da čitaoci sami pretražuju. No, ni za to nisam baš siguran da su baš svi tamo.

U svakom slučaju što se medija tiče biće kao prošli put "svako čudo za tri dana" i sjašiće sa priče na kojoj bi se moglo jašiti do beskrajona. Ostaće istoričarima da se bave tim ogromnim materijalom, baš kao što je to slučaj i sa dva prethodna dump-a.

filantrop 00:57 29.11.2010

Re: Pa sad...

Bojan

ardijan je, za sada, uradio najbolji posao

e pa kad si vec dao link na Gardijan, ja cu biti dovoljno ..khm ..
da prilozim ovaj komentar, mislim da je sedmi po redu:

Gelion
28 November 2010 6:19PM

I think what is shocking about this is that none of it is shocking at all.

China, annoyed with a north Korean state that is like a petulant violent child?
Saudi afraid of Iran?
The US spying on the UN and it's allies - as they have been doing since WWII?
And the US scared that Pakistan's nuclear weapons are going to ultimately fall into the wrong hands?

Never. Who'd have thunk it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis?showallcomments=true#comment-fold

EDIT:
NIJE MOJ, majke mi

jaksa scekic 23:30 28.11.2010

Za sada

Wednesday, 16 September 2009, 07:34
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 04 PARIS 001254
NOFORN
SIPDIS
EO 12958 DECL: 09/16/2018
TAGS PREL, PARM, KNNP, BH">BH, SM, MK, GR">GR, FR">FR
SUBJECT: A/S GORDON'S MEETINGS WITH POLICY-MAKERS IN PARIS:
A TOUR D'HORIZON OF EUROPE AND AFGHANISTAN
Classified By: Ambassador Charles Rivkin, for reasons 1.4(b) and (d).
Summary

1. Senior officials from both countries examine current international challenges, agreeing that Afghanistan is a major priority, fretting about Russian actions in Georgia, and agreeing to disagree about Turkey's EU membership bid. But on Iran, there is a full meeting of minds, with the French saying Tehran's response to Barack Obama's offer to talk is a farce. Key passage highlighted in yellow.

1. (S) Summary. During Assistant Secretary Gordon's visit to Paris on September 11, he met with a number of French policy-makers including: Elysee Diplomatic Advisors Jean-David Levitte, Damien Loras, and Francois Richier, Assistant Secretary equivalent for Continental Europe Roland Galharague, and Acting Director of MFA Strategic Affairs bureau Jean-Hugues Simon-Michel. Discussions focused on Russia, upcoming developments in the Balkans (Bosnia, Croatia, Macedonia and Kosovo), elections in Germany and Afghanistan, Turkey's EU Accession, NATO Enlargement and Strategic Concept, and Georgia and Ukraine. End Summary.

BOSNIA: FRENCH URGE TRANFER TO EU AUTHORITY

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3. (C) Levitte noted that of the five major conditions required to transfer authority in Bosnia from the UN High Representative to an EU High Representative, four have been fulfilled, and only the question of division of state property remains. This final condition should not alone "block all progress," especially as the current UN team in Bosnia is no longer effective. France wants to see the transfer of authority to a new EU team in November, as the rapprochement to Europe is an effective "carrot" to encourage the Bosniaks to continue progress in necessary reforms. A/S Gordon agreed that the current system is not working well, but noted that the international community will lose credibility if we move forward before all the necessary pre-conditions have been fulfilled. He added that the U.S. agrees that some form of carrot is necessary to urge Bosnian compliance. Levitte noted that they still have two months to urge Bosnian progress before a final decision is made. In a separate meeting, Assistant Secretary equivalent for Continental Europe Roland Galharague said that "transition is the number one objective," suggested the division of state property will take much time to resolve, and urged the U.S. to support early transfer of authority that would open the door to Bosnian aspirations for greater integration into EU institutions. He noted that the growing perception of divisions between the US and Bosniaks on one side who favored retaining the UN role and the EU and Serbs on the other created unhelpful opportunities for manipulation. A/S Gordon said this perception was inaccurate, but noted the U.S. is sensitive to the political need for Bosniak leaders to sell this decision to their publics. The USG needs to see a clear path ahead for transition in order to support it.

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KOSOVO AND SERBIA

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4. (C) Levitte noted that the EULEX mission is having diplomatic problems with the Kosovar government and public

PARIS 00001254 002 OF 004

after signing two technical protocols with Serbia. They are hoping to ensure continued calm as Kosovo heads into municipal elections. A/S Gordon stated that the Kosovars will have to accept the protocols but that it should be clearly explained that these are technical agreements that have no impact on Kosovo's independent status. Levitte also criticized Serbian FM Jeremic, saying that he is doing nothing to encourage Serb return or participation in Kosovo's government. Levitte noted that Jeremic "makes big promises" every time he comes to France, but doesn't follow through. Levitte no longer meets with him and does not consider him to be the "modern face of Belgrade" that he purports to be.

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MACEDONIA AND CROATIA

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5. (C) Levitte expressed optimism that a new Greek government would be "more solid" and allow greater flexibility for progress in the Greek-Macedonian name dispute. A/S Gordon agreed that either a more solid Conservative government or a Socialist government would be a stronger, more flexible partner in the negotiations. He expressed hope that if the international community could convince Macedonia to abandon the idea of a referendum and get Greece to abandon the necessity of changing passports, then progress could be made. On Croatia, Levitte observed that the border issue with Slovenia is making progress. He hoped that the upcoming September elections in Germany would also allow the new German government to be more open to EU enlargement to include the Balkan countries. Paris wants the door to enlargement to remain open, even if the accession process takes time.

b92fmember 23:40 28.11.2010

U cara trojana kozje usi

Brzo, kratko i jasno.

Evo izvolite

Na ovom mestu bice objavljeni svi, ukljucujuci i one sa Balkana

Lele, katastrofa ... majmun usao u tenak.

loader 23:57 28.11.2010

I one sa ...

Na ovom mestu bice objavljeni svi, ukljucujuci i one sa Balkana

jaksa scekic 23:58 28.11.2010

Putin, Sarkozy, Karzai,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/28/wikileaks-us-embassy-cables-documents_n_788893.html

Washington's view of the world's leading statesmen emerges from the cables in a carnival of colourful and distinctly undiplomatic language.

In late 2008 the Moscow embassy wired back about the relationship between Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev and the prime minister, Vladimir Putin, remarking that Medvedev, officially the senior partner, "plays Robin to Putin's Batman".

Kim Jong-il, the ailing dictator of North Korea fared no better, with diplomats quoting sources who described him variously as a "flabby old chap" and someone who had suffered "physical and psychological trauma" as a result of his stroke.

The Paris embassy remarked on the "thin-skinned and authoritarian personal style" of French President Nicholas Sarkozy after it reported his tendency to repeatedly rebuke his team and the French prime minister.

Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi was "feckless, vain, and ineffective as a modern European leader", according to Elizabeth Dibble, US charge d'affaires in Rome. Another report from Rome recorded the view that he was a "physically and politically weak" leader whose "frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard mean he does not get sufficient rest".

Key allies in the war on terror are not spared either. A dispatch from Kabul reports the view that the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, is "an extremely weak man who did not listen to facts but was instead easily swayed by anyone who came to report even the most bizarre stories or plots against him".

In Yemen, the power base of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, President Ali Abdullah Saleh was "dismissive, bored and impatient", during a meeting with John Brennan, Barack Obama's deputy national security adviser.

Robert Mugabe, the president of Zimbabwe, is simply branded "the crazy old man" by Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, South Africa's international relations and cooperation minister, according to a cable from Pretoria, while Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, is "just strange" according to an adviser to Sultan Qaboos of Oman.

Israel's prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu is "elegant and charming" but never keeps his promises, according to a cable from Cairo recounting a meeting with President Hosni Mubarak, who added: "I have told him so personally".

joseywales 01:30 29.11.2010

Re: Putin, Sarkozy, Karzai,

nsarski 19:15 29.11.2010

Re: Putin, Sarkozy, Karzai,

Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi was "feckless, vain, and ineffective as a modern European leader", according to Elizabeth Dibble, US charge d'affaires in Rome. Another report from Rome recorded the view that he was a "physically and politically weak" leader whose "frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard mean he does not get sufficient rest".

Na ovo je premijer Berluskoni odgovorio da on u svojim vilama ne pravi nikakve "lude zurke" sa maloletnim pionirkama i sponzorusama (lici li nam ovo na Britvu i moldavke?), vec samo jednom mesecno organizuje u tim vilama "elegantni soare"! Mozda pritom pozove i Gadafija sa njegovom Ukrajinkom, pitam se. Mislim, ja obozavam ovog coveka...do imbecilnosti.

freehand 00:23 29.11.2010

Nije ovo ništa

Šta ih čeka kad Drago, Čuvar demokratije i Osvetnik poniženih, sazna za bedastoće...

Veselnik Vuk Jeremić je opet hebo čvorka, slutim.

trener92 00:30 29.11.2010

Re: Nije ovo ništa

freehand
Šta ih čeka kad Drago sazna za ovo...

Naopako

Pa nije valjda

edit: nije fer editovao si :

Čuvar demokratije i Osvetnik poniženih, sazna za bedastoće...

Veselnik Vuk Jeremić je opet hebo čvorka, slutim.

onda bih i ja dodao

malo drugačiji video

mikimedic 00:33 29.11.2010

Re: Nije ovo ništa

Šta ih čeka kad Drago sazna za ovo...

ma da ne naletimo na neku karagacinu intimnu prepisku

trener92 00:38 29.11.2010

Re: Nije ovo ništa

mikimedic
Šta ih čeka kad Drago sazna za ovo...

ma da ne naletimo na neku karagacinu intimnu prepisku

Mislim , stvarno ...

nsarski 18:54 29.11.2010

Re: Nije ovo ništa

ma da ne naletimo na neku karagacinu intimnu prepisku

Ne verujem. Paleo-komunisti* se jos dopisuju pomocu kurira. Treba uhvatiti Jovicu, a ko zna gde se on zapio.

*paleontologija je nauka o prastarim i izumrlim vrstama i oblicima zivota (dinosaurusima, na primer).

freehand 19:36 29.11.2010

Re: Nije ovo ništa

nsarski
ma da ne naletimo na neku karagacinu intimnu prepisku

Ne verujem. Paleo-komunisti* se jos dopisuju pomocu kurira. Treba uhvatiti Jovicu, a ko zna gde se on zapio.

*paleontologija je nauka o prastarim i izumrlim vrstama i oblicima zivota (dinosaurusima, na primer).

Da si ti meni živ i zdrav, evo tebi i Jovice, i Sirogojna, i Prleta i Tihog u kozaračkom kolu.
I to na Blogu!
http://blog.b92.net/text/16657/Srecan-29novembarDan-Republike-praznik-koga-nema/

nsarski 19:56 29.11.2010

Re: Nije ovo ništa

Da si ti meni živ i zdrav, evo tebi i Jovice, i Sirogojna, i Prleta i Tihog u kozaračkom kolu.
I to na Blogu!
http://blog.b92.net/text/16657/Srecan-29novembarDan-Republike-praznik-koga-nema/

Bio, video, obavio patriotsku duznos'...

trener92 03:57 30.11.2010

Re: Nije ovo ništa

nsarski

Bio, video, obavio patriotsku duznos'...

Bogami, profesore, vidim ja : kako je krenulo , iako si čovek,
moći će od tebe ,da se iskali dobar komunista ,jednog dana

behemot123 00:24 29.11.2010

Ama..

Џулијане, РАСПАМЕТИ!

Goran Vučković 00:32 29.11.2010

A u "dnevnikovom dodatku"...

Fox News
WikiLeaks Drop Shows U.S. Striving to Maintain Order in Chaotic Global Relations

... Tarzan se bori za dečiji dodatak.

gorran2 00:39 29.11.2010

Re: A u "dnevnikovom dodatku"...

Goran Vučković
Fox News
WikiLeaks Drop Shows U.S. Striving to Maintain Order in Chaotic Global Relations

... Tarzan se bori za dečiji dodatak.

Nije presudno šta se događa u stvarnosti - presudno je za koga navijaš.

Milan Novković 00:53 29.11.2010

Re: A u "dnevnikovom dodatku"...

... Tarzan se bori za dečiji dodatak.

"Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman released a statement after the newspapers began revealing the content of the documents, saying that the Pentagon is taking additional steps to "prevent further compromise of sensitive data." They include two reviews on the policy and technological shortfalls that led to the WikiLeaks disclosures.

Immediate recommendations include disabling Defense Department computers from being able to copy data to removable media, limiting the platforms to move data from classified to unclassified systems, creating a two-person handling system and developing a suspicious behavior monitoring akin to systems that help credit card fraud prevention. Several other efforts have been taken at Central Command."

Ovo je parodija, not as real as it looks.

Kompjuteri su se još u prošlom veku zaključavali i samo monitor, keyboard i mouse vireli napolje u sredinama poprilično primitivnijim od pentagonove. Ok, osim iz filmova i Ludlumovih romana nemam neku ideju kakva je to sredina, ali pozivam se pomalo i na zdrav razum.

Ovo je samo novi, sofisticiraniji modalitet korišćenja interneta i leaks u široj, političkoj. više-polarnijoj borbi

Next "WMD"-like generation of tools.

Dobro, kontriram malo zabave radi, jednostavnije je nego da razmišljam, iako smem da se kladim da nisam jedini

Milan Novković 01:26 29.11.2010

Re: A u "dnevnikovom dodatku"...

Tarzan se bori za dečiji dodatak

Dobar naslov!

Evo moje opcije broj 1: "Who framed Hillary Clinton"

krkar 05:28 29.11.2010

Re: A u "dnevnikovom dodatku"...

Kompjuteri su se još u prošlom veku zaključavali i samo monitor, keyboard i mouse vireli napolje u sredinama poprilično primitivnijim od pentagonove. Ok, osim iz filmova i Ludlumovih romana nemam neku ideju kakva je to sredina, ali pozivam se pomalo i na zdrav razum.

Evo kako je u akciji 'Oluja' Hrvatska vojska došla do SVIH personalnih dosijea vojnih obveznika takozvane RSK i ogromne vojne i civilne arhive:

Glavni računarski centar pripadao je 101. obaveštajno-bezbednosnom centru tzv. RSK (komanda je bila u Kninu). U Slunju j radilo 30-ak oficira, podoficira i civila a za fizičko obezbeđenje bila je zadužena jedna četa pod komandom redovnog (školovanog) kapetana vojne policije. Pri kraju prvog dana Oluje na osnovu podataka koje su dobijali, oficiri su zaključili da je stvar gotova i krenuli da beže. Neki major ili potpukovnik je komandiru obezbeđenja (onom kapetanu) naredio da se pre evakuacije uništi sva preostala oprema.

Kapetan je sa nekoliko vojnika ušao u glavnu salu u kojoj je bilo 20-ak računara i izdao naređenje uništite sve kompjutere. Vojska je rafalno pucala u monitore i kapetan je izdao naređenje za povlačenje tek kad se lično uverio da su svi do poslednjeg uništeni.

2 dana kasnije kad su informatičari HV ušli u centar zatekli su sve diskove u radnom stanji osim jednog kroz koji je prošao zalutali metak. Tako su došli do kompletne vojne i dela civilne arhive tzv. RSK!

Goran Vučković 00:44 29.11.2010

Bradley Manning

The Telegraph
Bradley Manning: The prime suspect of giving files to WikiLeaks
...
As he spent his time looking through classified information for up to 14 hours a day, he is believed to have become increasingly disillusioned by US foreign policy, once describing "military intelligence" as an "oxymoron".
...

Inner Party 00:51 29.11.2010

Asanz

E, sta sve ovaj Asanz nece pokusati samo da se izvuce od optuzbi za silovanje!

filantrop 01:01 29.11.2010

Re: Asanz

Inner Party
E, sta sve ovaj Asanz nece pokusati samo da se izvuce od optuzbi za silovanje!

meni iskreno zao onih nesrecnika sto mu uplacuju pare.

jaksa scekic 01:05 29.11.2010

Elem

Podgorica 164 depese

Zagreb 1686 depesa

Beograd 994 depese

mlekac 01:16 29.11.2010

Re: Elem

jaksa scekic
Podgorica 164 depese

Zagreb 1686 depesa

Beograd 994 depese

A ostali?

freehand 01:18 29.11.2010

Re: Elem

A ostali?

Mis'iš - Koštinići i Belanovica?

mlekac 01:22 29.11.2010

Re: Elem

freehand
A ostali?

Mis'iš - Koštinići i Belanovica?

Pa kamo Skoplje i Ljubljana? A Sarajevo? Nesto ne verujem da se niko nije javio i iz Pristine... Mislim, kad je bal, nek je bal. Sto samo ova tri?

Goran Vučković 01:30 29.11.2010

Re: Elem

Pa kamo Skoplje i Ljubljana? A Sarajevo? Nesto ne verujem da se niko nije javio i iz Pristine... Mislim, kad je bal, nek je bal. Sto samo ova tri?

Tja.. nismo lider u regionu ni po teleksima

mlekac 01:34 29.11.2010

Re: Elem

Goran Vučković
Pa kamo Skoplje i Ljubljana? A Sarajevo? Nesto ne verujem da se niko nije javio i iz Pristine... Mislim, kad je bal, nek je bal. Sto samo ova tri?

Tja.. nismo lider u regionu ni po teleksima

Ma jok - to samo znaci da nismo najvece tuzibabe...

filantrop 01:37 29.11.2010

Re: Elem

mlekac
freehand
A ostali?

Mis'iš - Koštinići i Belanovica?

Pa kamo Skoplje i Ljubljana? A Sarajevo? Nesto ne verujem da se niko nije javio i iz Pristine... Mislim, kad je bal, nek je bal. Sto samo ova tri?

a tek iz Moskve?

il' ga strah da ne prodje kao Politkovskaja?

jaksa scekic 07:43 29.11.2010

Re: Elem

Pristina 668

Skopje 552

Sarajevo 869

sima2000 08:29 30.11.2010

Re: Elem

Podgorica 164 depese

Zagreb 1686 depesa

Beograd 994 depese

A gde su ovi dokumenti? Kad će da budu objavljeni?

Goran Vučković 01:37 29.11.2010

Clear and present danger

Sky News
WikiLeaks Should Be A 'Terror Organisation'

New York Republican Peter King said the organisation was a "clear and present danger" to the US.

Clear and present danger

Clear and present danger is a term used by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in the unanimous opinion for the case Schenck v. United States,[1] concerning the ability of the government to regulate speech against the draft during World War I

mlekac 01:39 29.11.2010

Re: Clear and present danger

Goran Vučković
Sky News
WikiLeaks Should Be A 'Terror Organisation'

New York Republican Peter King said the organisation was a "clear and present danger" to the US.

Clear and present danger

Clear and present danger is a term used by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in the unanimous opinion for the case Schenck v. United States,[1] concerning the ability of the government to regulate speech against the draft during World War I

A na koji ce amandman da se pozovu ovi iz WikiLeaks-a? Onaj o slobodi govora???

Ovo stvarno postaje potpuni cirkus.

cult 08:23 29.11.2010

Re: Clear and present danger

Ovo stvarno postaje potpuni cirkus.

Tako izgleda the naked truth.
I kad je car go.

alselone 13:26 29.11.2010

Zajeb'o ih klinja sa lejdi Gagom

Maning (27) je proteklih sedam meseci proveo zatvoren u samici.

Covece! Zar nije nesto radjeno po tom pitanju koliko neko maksimalno moze da bude u samici "iz cuga"?

aleksanadar 13:52 29.11.2010

A Joke A Day

A New York lawyer went duck hunting in eastern North Carolina. He shot and dropped a bird, but it fell into a farmer's field on the other side of a fence. As the lawyer climbed over the fence, an older man asked him what he was doing. The lawyer responded, "I shot a duck and it fell in this field, I'm going to retrieve it."

The old farmer replied. "This is my property, and you are not coming over here."

The indignant lawyer said, "I am one of the best trial attorneys in the U.S. and, if you don't let me get that duck, I'll sue you and take everything!

The old farmer smiled and said, "Apparently, you don't know how we do things here in North Carolina. We settle small disagreements like this with the NC Three-Kick Rule."

The lawyer asked, "What is the NC three-Kick Rule?"

The Farmer replied. "Well, first I kick you three times and then you kick me three times, and so on, back and forth, until someone gives up."

The New York attorney quickly thought about the proposed contest and decided that he could easily take the old southerner. He agreed to abide by the local custom.

The old farmer slowly climbed down from the tractor and walked up to the city feller. His first kick planted the toe of his heavy work boot into the lawyer's groin and dropped him to his knees. His next too kicks caused the lawyer so much pain that he just about gave up. However, the New York lawyer summoned every bit of his will and managed to get to his feet and said, "Okay, you old redneck southerner, now it's my turn."

The old North Carolina farmer smiled and said, "Naw, I give up. You can have the duck."

milicadj 15:49 29.11.2010

uh,

ma koliko da je ovo jelte intersantno, u smislu da americka bahatost i umisljena superiornost (nekako nalazim slicnost sa serbijom

) izlaze u javnost, pa se pucanstvo u njihovim zemljama sablaznjava (ju, ju, ju), ljudi na terenu jesu ugrozeni.

sad sam na skajpu uspela da izmenim par redaka sa prijateljem koji je u afganistanu. kaze da je situacija za njih koji su tamo izuzetno losa

nsarski 17:50 29.11.2010

Re: uh,

kaze da je situacija za njih koji su tamo izuzetno losa .

Pa sto se ne vrati kuci?

milicadj 17:57 29.11.2010

Re: uh,

to sam ga i ja pitala. dzbg nije nista rekao, sem da bi to znacilo da mora da da otkaz. onda se izlogovao. bice da nije bas tako jednostavno.

nsarski 18:23 29.11.2010

Re: uh,

to sam ga i ja pitala. dzbg nije nista rekao, sem da bi to znacilo da mora da da otkaz.

Oh, on je tamo zbog kinte, a ne iz ubedjenja? Pa sto se onda ne zaposli kod Talibana - mozda oni bolje placaju? Mislim, pretpostavljam da je na suprotnoj strani situacija izuzetno dobra ako je na ovoj izuzetno losa.

freehand 18:37 29.11.2010

Re: uh,

to sam ga i ja pitala. dzbg nije nista rekao, sem da bi to znacilo da mora da da otkaz. onda se izlogovao. bice da nije bas tako jednostavno

A izvini ako je indiskretno, ali, taj prijatelj - jel' učitelj, pop, muzičar? Mislim - šta je po zanimanju?
Sigurno je neki humanistički poziv?

milicadj 08:27 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

nsarski
to sam ga i ja pitala. dzbg nije nista rekao, sem da bi to znacilo da mora da da otkaz.

Oh, on je tamo zbog kinte, a ne iz ubedjenja? Pa sto se onda ne zaposli kod Talibana - mozda oni bolje placaju? Mislim, pretpostavljam da je na suprotnoj strani situacija izuzetno dobra ako je na ovoj izuzetno losa.

hvala na razumevanju i opljuvavanju na prvu loptu.

u pitanju je medical staff.

filantrop 08:34 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

nsarski
to sam ga i ja pitala. dzbg nije nista rekao, sem da bi to znacilo da mora da da otkaz.

Oh, on je tamo zbog kinte, a ne iz ubedjenja? Pa sto se onda ne zaposli kod Talibana - mozda oni bolje placaju? Mislim, pretpostavljam da je na suprotnoj strani situacija izuzetno dobra ako je na ovoj izuzetno losa.

cemu ovako ostar i neprijateljski ton?
zelja za preporukama ili?
gospodjica prenosi iskustva osobe iz avganistana; ja joj verujem jer i sam poznajem neke koji tamo borave.
posto ne dolaze iz bogatih porodica, odlazak na rad u avganistanu su videli kao nacin da otplate studentski kredit i zarade za depozit za kucu. a mogli su i da izaberu da sede u sad i ceo zivot kukaju nad kletom sudbinom ali nisu.
kabul jeste relativno bezbedan i tacno je da se u avganistanu zaradi ali se usput i naguta veoma velikog straha.
zaista ne razumem potrebu da se pljune po svemu i svakome.
posebno na poslednjima u lancu.
mnogo govori o osobi.

mikimedic 08:58 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

posto ne dolaze iz bogatih porodica, odlazak na rad u avganistanu su videli kao nacin da otplate studentski kredit i zarade za depozit za kucu. a mogli su i da izaberu da sede u sad i ceo zivot kukaju nad kletom sudbinom ali nisu.

ima jos par takvih... isto im bio potreban depozit za kucu.

mikimedic 08:59 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

u pitanju je medical staff.

to je neka humanitarna misija

ono, pomazu ugrozenim pastunima, i te munje?

alselone 09:00 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

mikimedic
studentski kredit i zarade za depozit za kucu

sirocici maleni.
Jedno jutro se probudio, pogledao u plafon, oko mu zaigralo i rekao je - imam studentski kredit i treba mi depozit za kucu. Sta se dobro placa. Ubijanje, a? Molim lepo.

filantrop 09:10 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

alselone
mikimedic
studentski kredit i zarade za depozit za kucu

sirocici maleni.
Jedno jutro se probudio, pogledao u plafon, oko mu zaigralo i rekao je - imam studentski kredit i treba mi depozit za kucu. Sta se dobro placa. Ubijanje, a? Molim lepo.

nesrecnice.
obrati paznju sta pise:
milicin prijatelj je medicinar.
moji otplacuju studentske kredite, dakle zavrsili su fakultete.
takvi ne idu u avganistan da ubijaju.

ma..ne verujem da ti to mozes da shvatis.

mikimedic 09:30 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

milicin prijatelj je medicinar.

ja koliko znam i ss trupe su imali lekare u sastavu...

moji otplacuju studentske kredite, dakle zavrsili su fakultete.

legija doduse nije otplacivao studentski kredit, samo depozit za kucu.

ma..ne verujem da ti to mozes da shvatis.

tacno, to samo filantropi mogu.

milicadj 09:42 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

filantrop
alselone
mikimedic
studentski kredit i zarade za depozit za kucu

sirocici maleni.
Jedno jutro se probudio, pogledao u plafon, oko mu zaigralo i rekao je - imam studentski kredit i treba mi depozit za kucu. Sta se dobro placa. Ubijanje, a? Molim lepo.

nesrecnice.
obrati paznju sta pise:
milicin prijatelj je medicinar.
moji otplacuju studentske kredite, dakle zavrsili su fakultete.
takvi ne idu u avganistan da ubijaju.

ma..ne verujem da ti to mozes da shvatis.

ne zanosi se. pusti. ne trosi vreme.
ekipica sve zna, i ko je ko i sta radi i zasto radi. nisu bitni ljudi. bitno je da li su oni ili ovi.

nesto slicno kao bratija koja je pisala ove depese...

filantrop 09:46 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

ne zanosi se. pusti. ne trosi vreme.

u pravu si

danas je radni dan
laku noc.

mikimedic 10:28 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

nisu bitni ljudi.

eto, vidis da se slazemo. u pravu si, ljudi su najmanje bitni u celoj prici, pogotovo ako su imali tu nesrecu da se rode u avganistanu.

freehand 11:29 30.11.2010

Re: uh,

hvala na razumevanju i opljuvavanju na prvu loptu.

u pitanju je medical staff.

E pa onda niš'.
Izvinjavam se na smetnji.
Mada, izbor države u kojoj se odrađuje taj kredit ili šta već govori o priličnoms stepenu hrabrosti ili očajanja. Ili jednoga idrugoga istovremeno.

filantrop 02:38 01.12.2010

Re: uh,

mikimedic

tacno, to samo filantropi mogu.

pa,
moraju filantropi, kad vec nece pravnici koji podrzavaju kradju umesto postenog rada i zarade, pa nek je i u avganistanu

http://blog.b92.net/text/11515/Kockanje-za-evro/#k647768

s kim si
onakav si

mikimedic 10:05 01.12.2010

Re: uh,

moraju filantropi, kad vec nece pravnici koji podrzavaju kradju umesto postenog rada i zarade

valjda ce nam jaksa oprostiti ovaj trol.

hajde nesto inteligentnije -- ali dobro je da imamo arhivu koju cemo izvuci kad zatreba.

pa ako cemo tako, da, u potpunosti podrzavam, jer ovo je poenta:

Prvo, nisam lopov, drugo, ja sam NAPLATILA KAZNU ZA NELJUBAZNOST, ponudila sam joj novac, dala joj u ruke legalnu novčanicu ove države a dobila paušalno pljuvanje i ružne reči. Ja sam uzela sebi slobodu da na licu mesta naplatim novčanu kaznu za neljubaznost na radnom mestu. Nazivati me lopovom nije lepo, čak i kad to radite izokola, ali to je već stvar kućnog vaspitanja.

znam da odavno nisi u srbiji - ali da li si nekad kad si dolazio video obavestenja pored svake kase koje je postavilo ministarstvo finansija -- 'ako niste dobili fiskalni racun, niste duzni da ga platite'.

ovo je vrlo slicna situacija -- novcanica je platno sredstvo i kasirka je duzna da je primi. nikakvog tu izgovora ne moze da bude.

nazivati doticnu lopovom u ovoj situaciji je krajnje nezrelo.

nadam se da cemo ovaj trol ovde zavrsiti.

izvinjavam se jaksi.

lakipingvin 16:18 29.11.2010

Freedome of Information Act

u isto vreme kad i wiki preko 2000 stranica klasifikovanog materijala State Department je objavio u vezi Srebrnice...da li zbog gungule oko wikija ili obima materijala ali mislim da jos uvek niko nije objavio nove dokumente gde se dosta jasno govori o ulozi muslimanskih extremista u dogadjaju i oko njega...stavljajuci u kontekst nase optuznice protiv Nasera i znajuci da ovaj info morao da ima i pripravnik pripravnika kafekuvarice u odgovarajucoj literarnoj sekciji ja bi one koji su pisali i pomagali pisanje optuznice kao primer obesio za cojones na Terazijama pa bili oni clanovi DS-a,SPS-a,SRS-a...Ovo nema veze sa Hagom vec mnogo vise sa nama samima

Svetlana S. 17:34 29.11.2010

Re: Freedome of Information Act

lakipingvin
u isto vreme kad i wiki preko 2000 stranica klasifikovanog materijala State Department je objavio u vezi Srebrnice...da li zbog gungule oko wikija ili obima materijala ali mislim da jos uvek niko nije objavio nove dokumente gde se dosta jasno govori o ulozi muslimanskih extremista u dogadjaju i oko njega...stavljajuci u kontekst nase optuznice protiv Nasera i znajuci da ovaj info morao da ima i pripravnik pripravnika kafekuvarice u odgovarajucoj literarnoj sekciji ja bi one koji su pisali i pomagali pisanje optuznice kao primer obesio za cojones na Terazijama pa bili oni clanovi DS-a,SPS-a,SRS-a...Ovo nema veze sa Hagom vec mnogo vise sa nama samima

Ogroman je dokument, jos uvek ga skidam. Jesi li ga ti otvarao i citao? Sta pise? Daj jos neki hint?

lakipingvin 18:23 29.11.2010

Re: Freedome of Information Act

Svetlana S.

"when you have the facts argue the facts,when you have the law argue the law"...izvini ali ipak ne bih nedodirljive u Srbiji da komentarisem jer je zaista pointless...videcemo samo dokle ce ostati takvi...

jaksa scekic 19:19 29.11.2010

Re: Freedome of Information Act

lakipingvin
u isto vreme kad i wiki preko 2000 stranica klasifikovanog materijala State Department je objavio u vezi Srebrnice...da li zbog gungule oko wikija ili obima materijala ali mislim da jos uvek niko nije objavio nove dokumente gde se dosta jasno govori o ulozi muslimanskih extremista u dogadjaju i oko njega...stavljajuci u kontekst nase optuznice protiv Nasera i znajuci da ovaj info morao da ima i pripravnik pripravnika kafekuvarice u odgovarajucoj literarnoj sekciji ja bi one koji su pisali i pomagali pisanje optuznice kao primer obesio za cojones na Terazijama pa bili oni clanovi DS-a,SPS-a,SRS-a...Ovo nema veze sa Hagom vec mnogo vise sa nama samima

Upravo citam

J

jinks 16:39 29.11.2010

Što blamaža,

možda to namerno puštaju, iz nekog razloga.

jaksa scekic 20:03 29.11.2010

Jos nije, a mozda ce :)))))))))

Navodi iz "Vikiliksa" ne mogu znaccajno nasskoditi Srbiji
BEOGRAD, 29. novembra (Tanjug) - Politiccki direktor
Ministarstva spoljnih poslova Srbije Borko Stefanovich izjavio je
vecceras da, ukoliko su taccni, navodi iz poverljivih diplomatskih
materijala sa internet stranice "Vikiliks", koji se odnose na ssefa
srpske diplomatije Vuka Jeremicha, ne mogu imati znaccajne
posledice.
On je rekao i da najavljeno objavljivanje dokumenata sa
Vikiliksa o razlozima iz kojih Ratko Mladich nije uhapssen ne
mozze uzdrmati ni poziciju Srbije, ni njenu saradnju sa Hasskim
tribunalom.
Stefanovich je podsetio da francusko Ministarstvo
spoljnih poslova nije potvrdilo verodostojnost dokumenata,
saccinjenih, navodno, na osnovu belesski francuskog diplomate
ZZana-Davida Levita, u kojima se, izmedju ostalog, navodi da
ministar Jeremich "ne ispunjava obechanja" i da "ne predstavlja
moderno lice Srbije".
"Ako je sve to taccno, possto danas francusko
Ministarstvo spoljnih poslova nije potvrdilo verodostojnost ovih
navoda, interesantno je to ssto cela ova afera uvodi u velike
probleme, pre svega, neke od vodechih svetskih diplomatija. To je
kljuccno u celoj ovoj stvari i spominjanje Srbije u jednom tako
malom segmentu zaista ne mozze imati znaccajnije posledice",
istakao je Stefanovich gostujuchi na TV Prva.
On je naglasio i da "u ovom sluccaju nije relevantno da li
je ministar Jeremich nekom savetniku, pa bio to i savetnik
francuskog predsednika, simpaticcan ili predstavlja lice evropske
Srbije", jer ono najbolje pokazuju potezi srpske vlade.
"Da li je neko lice evropske Srbije najbolje pokazuju
potezi ove vlade, koji su usmereni pre svega ka evropskim
integracijama, kao i rezultati koji su postignuti u poslednjih
nekoliko godina. Ako je to lice moderne evropske Srbije, onda
mislim da imamo dobro lice", rekao je Stefanovich.
Kada je recc o najavama da che sa Vikiliksa biti
objavljena i dokumenata koji, navodno, treba da pokazzu zbog
ccega Ratko Mladich nije uhapssen, Stefanovich je rekao da ta
dokumenta mogu da sadrzze "samo vidjenje odredjenog
diplomate iz Beograda" i da ni na koji naccin ne mozze da
reflektuje susstinu saradnje Srbije sa Hasskim tribunalom.
"Ni na koji naccin se ne mozze uchi u susstinu nasse
saradnje sa Hasskim tribunalom, koja je transparentna i javna.
Ona dobija pozitivne ocene, pre svega kroz izvesstaje glavnog
tuzzioca Bramerca... Ma kakva ta ocena bila, ona ne mozze da
reflektuje susstinu nasse saradnje s Hasskim tribunalom, koja se
ogleda pre svega kroz saradnju sluzzbi koje rade na tom pitanju i
kroz izvesstaje samog glavnog tuzzioca", naglasio je Stefanovich
i zakljuccio da pozicija Srbije ovim ne mozze biti uzdrmana.

(Kraj) pj/sv

Filip2412 20:39 29.11.2010

...

ima mnogo leaks ali prvi utisak je sve dosadno i nista spektakularno; pa sve smo to znali zar ne? i to ne mi koji citamo raznorazne vesti, nego i vrane na granama su znale...

jaksa scekic 21:41 29.11.2010

Ako svi tvrde

da je Izrael jedina zemlja koja ce da profitira od ovih brzojava, sta li to znaci, nema Mosad je cudo

...One of the few countries which may stand to benefit from the WikiLeaks revelations appears to be Israel. Countless documents indicate that several countries in the Middle East are much more concerned about Iran obtaining nuclear weapons than they have let on in public. One dispatch reveals that Saudi Arabia had urged the US to "cut off the head of the snake" by attacking Iran, a sentiment shared by other countries in the region. The cables also reveal that North Korea may have provided Iran with missiles capable of reaching targets in Europe. ....

koksy 21:54 29.11.2010

A sad - osveta!

citat:

"SAD kreću u lov na Assangea

Prvi na meti američkih vlasti bit će osnivač WikiLeaksa Julian Assange. "Provodimo kriminalističku istragu i uhitit ćemo Assangea ako se pokaže da je prekršio zakon", kazao je na konferenciji za novinare državni odvjetnik Eric Holder. Rezultate istrage zasad, kako kaže Holder, nije moguće javno objaviti, ali jasno je dao do znanja da se ne radi o ispraznim prijetnjama.

"Ovo nije zveckanje oružjem. Svatko tko krši američki zakon će biti kažnjen. Ako u našem zakonu ima rupa, onda ćemo te rupe zatvoriti", kaže Holder i dodaje kako mu ništa ne predstavlja niti činjenica da Assange nije američki državljanin (osnivač WikiLeaksa je Australac) ni da se trenutno nalazi negdje u Europi: "Nitko nije izuzet od istrage zbog državljanstva ili prebivališta".

Izvinjavam se Hilari zbog ovog citata. Nista lose nisam mislio.

srdjazlopogledja 22:07 29.11.2010

Re: A sad - osveta!

koksy

Hannibal ad portas!

Нека испије отров, боље му је.

Много су погрешили али ће показати време ко је јачи.

palilula92 22:44 29.11.2010

nije bas mnogo zanimljivo, bar ne do sada

Da je Julian pustio prepiske iz nasih ambasada, garant bi bilo zanimljivje. Tracevi su jako fini, nisu bas socni nasi bi bili bolji, onako narodski.

jaksa scekic 23:00 29.11.2010

Polako, izlazi se iz sfere traceva

Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

[/url][url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-china-reunified-korea]

Svetlana S. 00:00 30.11.2010

.

I sta sada da radi ova srbijanska marionetska sitna boranija, takozvana politicka i intelektualna elita koja ide po misljenje u americku ambasadu? Je l` to lepo da ljudi vise ne mogu da budu opusteni ni kad idu na brifinge kod `nasih prijatelja`, jer vec sutra cables mogu da se pojave na svetskoj mrezi? Strasno.

Go Wikileaks go!

krkar 00:13 30.11.2010

Re: .

Svetlana S.
I sta sada da radi ova srbijanska marionetska sitna boranija, takozvana politicka i intelektualna elita koja ide po misljenje u americku ambasadu? Je l` to lepo da ljudi vise ne mogu da budu opusteni ni kad idu na brifinge kod `nasih prijatelja`, jer vec sutra cables mogu da se pojave na svetskoj mrezi? Strasno.

Go Wikileaks go!

Baš to je jedna od najboljih strana svega ovoga.

Da ne govorimo o nemuštom vađenju takvih velikana diplomatske veštine kao što su oficir za elektronsku špijunažu koga je NATO odabrao za napredovanje i klon (i kum) samog Jeremića koga je doveo da mu čuva strinu:

Baš nas briga šta priča tamo neki savetnik, nije on Jeremićev nivo

Napred, Kisindžeri iz Mrduše donje, jebite im sve po spisku. Ko je, bre, ta sitna boranija, glavni Sarkozijev savetnik za Balkan i pomoćnik Hilari Klintin.

Go, Borko, go!

mikimedic 00:39 30.11.2010

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srbijanska

srpska

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