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Novak the Magnificent?

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Let it come to no one as a surprise: Novak Djokovic did NOT walk on the moon.

Nor did he cure tuberculosis, invent the wheel, pave the Information Superhighway, or single-handedly create the heavens and the earth in six days. To my knowledge (and I could be wrong), Mr. Djokovic was not responsible for the breaking down of Apartheid, the lifting of the Iron Curtain, or the forging of lasting peace in the Middle East.

He may, of course, have assassinated Bin Laden. No one knows quite WHAT happened there...

If you look at Belgrade over the last couple of days, however, you may come to wonder what he actually did do. He has been welcomed home from London as a hero, a national icon, someone of whom statues will surely be erected somewhere in Serbia, someone about whom elegies will be versified. The president, usurping as much of the spotlight as the cameras would allow, calls him a role model for youth of Serbia.

(If I had a hat, I might remove it at this point.)

As it turns out, he won a lot of tennis. Tennis is a sport. A game, if you will. Certainly, it must be hard to win in a game which pits a lot of very good players against a lot of other very good players. I surely could not have done it, as any of my tennis partners would aver.

Moreover, many of the youth of Serbia to whom Novak the Super-Duper is a role model could not have done so either. This is notably, or so I am told, because the state does not allocate a lot of funds for individual sports such as tennis. We pay for basketball and football. Even water polo, I guess. In this way, I suppose the president is right: he is an example of how no one will help you until you are the world's number one and then they will try to take credit for it.

But let's be happy for Novak. After all, he did win. And he is the world number one for the moment. And let's be happy for ourselves too, since we live in the same country as he does. That must confer a little greatness on Serbia and, by extension, on the rest of us who live here.

After all, had he lost, he would have skulked into Nikola Tesla without fanfare, and it might have been just another Monday night in Belgrade. No kudos for second place here. Number Two is just number two.

I am aware that I shall not be making myself a lot of friends in my adopted homeland by nay-saying the apotheosis of Novak Djokovic. But, really, enough already. No conversation in these last days has strayed far from his name. None will be clear of Novaks and Noles for at least a couple of weeks. And God help us all if he maintains the pace through Flushing Meadows.

Yesterday evening, on the eve of the great victory, my son asked me if it was normal that people were riding on the top of their cars.

No, I said. It is not.

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Milan Novković 10:47 05.07.2011

Perfectly...

...Yesterday evening, on the eve of the great victory, my son asked me if it was normal that people were riding on the top of their cars...

...normal, would have been my answer!

That’s our inner life-clock ticking fully fit and fully awake!

British have loads of that as well but, as my ex office-mate used to say, they learned how to suppress it.

That’s why we love English football, rock concerts etc. It's a win of life over routine each time we see british fans (they could turn a bit naughty sometimes).

If we don’t count existential "bits and bobs" routine is one of the worst enemies of humankind, an enemy of life.

Too much order, work and discipline is a dying “art form”, realy

jinks 10:55 05.07.2011

On the

eve of the final mach, on one of the TV stations was the interview with the immigrants from this region, living in the UK.

One of them said that this kind of life story would literally be impossible in UK. Somebody from the Novak's background could never break the class and money related deadlocks that exist in UK.

However talented he may be, he and his family could not climb up your social ladder and even get a glimpse of chance to try to achieve something, in this case, in the tennis.

It is all about the system isn't it. Ours however it may seam open to argue produced Novak, yours ...

mrdax 11:20 05.07.2011

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jinks
eve of the final mach, on one of the TV stations was the interview with the immigrants from this region, living in the UK.

One of them said that this kind of life story would literally be impossible in UK. Somebody from the Novak's background could never break the class and money related deadlocks that exist in UK.

However talented he may be, he and his family could not climb up your social ladder and even get a glimpse of chance to try to achieve something, in this case in the tennis.

It is all about the system isn't it. Ours however it may seam open to the argue produced Novak, yours ...

Oh please. How would you explain millions of immigrants who came to the "wild west" (some without basic language skills) and managed to do significant things in life, which were not possible in their native land. Also, social (vertical mobility) is something on which "American dream" was made.Don't forget that at this moment thousands of Serbian eminent scientists,artists and people of business are working in some of those "impossible to succeed without background" countries.

Colin_bgd 11:42 05.07.2011

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eve of the final mach, on one of the TV stations was the interview with the immigrants from this region, living in the UK.

One of them said that this kind of life story would literally be impossible in UK. Somebody from the Novak's background could never break the class and money related deadlocks that exist in UK.

However talented he may be, he and his family could not climb up your social ladder and even get a glimpse of chance to try to achieve something, in this case, in the tennis.

It is all about the system isn't it. Ours however it may seam open to argue produced Novak, yours

What a load of old cobblers...

jinks 11:50 05.07.2011

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That's what the man said. Don't blame the messenger.

Seamed serious and convincing.

And he did not speak about USA (regarding the mentioned "American dream" ) ... he was talking about the UK specifically.

What a load of old cobblers...

You must be very popular in UK, aren't you. Starting from Queen and elder Prince themselves.

Colin_bgd 12:03 05.07.2011

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That's what the man said. Don't blame the messenger.

Seamed serious and convincing.

And he did not speak about USA (regarding the mentioned "American dream" ) ... he was talking about the UK specifically.

What a load of old cobblers...

You must be very popular in UK, aren't you. Starting from Queen and elder Prince themselves.

Personal shortfalls should not be confused with what is theoretically and practically possible. People don't have a clue what is possible because they still "live" in the region from where they came from, and not in the society where they are physically present. That doesn't mean that anything is guaranteed, but it is certainly not true that it is impossible...

jinks 12:13 05.07.2011

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That doesn't mean that anything is guaranteed, but it is certainly not true that it is impossible...

OK you certainly may be right.

But I understood his story not as a personal lamentation over ones shortfall, but rather as an insight on the system shortcoming, based on a long term experience.

p.s.

Is it or is it not true, does the class cast system still exist in UK, disregarding all previous talks about the successful tennis players.

Is it, at the end, all up to you?

maca22 12:15 05.07.2011

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jinks
That's what the man said. Don't blame the messenger.
Seamed serious and convincing.

The messenger is to blame, s/he pollutes the blog.

Colin_bgd 12:18 05.07.2011

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But I understood his story not as a personal lament over ones shortfall, but rather as an insight on the system shortcoming, based on a long term experience.

That is exactly what I am saying, that he is wrong because he has confused those two things, in his mind first. It is not easy to succeed, but it is not impossible. However, it most likely is impossible for somebody who has not integrated themselves completely into the british society, and the majority of people from "the region" suffer from that, in one way or another. That's all...

jinks 12:19 05.07.2011

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The messenger is to blame, s/he pollutes the blog.

Then blame the TV B92 for airing that clip, I watched it there.

And again, what's so wrong with the message, could you be more precise, besides the insult.

Colin_bgd 12:22 05.07.2011

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Is it or is it not true, does the class cast system still exist in UK, disregarding all previous talks about the successful tennis players.

Is it, at the end, all up to you?

It certainly does exist, but there also exists social mobility, as they call it here. So, people can and do move, but the success is down to many reasons, luck, timing, and perseverance, being probably the most important...

maca22 12:24 05.07.2011

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No, TVB92 didn't pull your arm to put it here.
Collin has explained what's wrong with the message.

Colin_bgd 12:26 05.07.2011

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Collin

only one "L", please!!!

jinks 12:30 05.07.2011

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No, TVB92 didn't pull your arm to put it here.

Why not, very interesting clip, thumbs up.

Collin has explained what's wrong with the message.

Colin has the point, but the interviewed man also has the point.

That's what is the point.

p.s.

Do you remember when Serbia and UK played Davis Cup match (I think the second Novak's appearance in the team) in UK.

After that match, UK officials tried to pay Novak and his family to accept the UK citizenship and to play for their country.

Is that the UK's growth and development system some of you are talking about.

Colin_bgd 12:39 05.07.2011

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Colin has the point, but the interviewed man also has the point.

btw, a few years ago, they were offering a fortune for Nole to become british. Had he (i.e. his parents) accepted, he would have been celebrated here, today as the great british success in tennis, etc. and would be rubbing shoulders with Pippa, Tara, and Simon, like the rest of them. He would have become posh overnight, so to speak, and Mr Daddy Djokovic would have been given an OBE or something too...

maca22 12:42 05.07.2011

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jinks
After that match, UK officials tried to pay Novak and his family to accept the UK citizenship and to play for their country.

More that his Don of a father is making in Serbia now?

Colin_bgd 12:44 05.07.2011

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After that match, UK officials tried to pay Novak and his family to accept the UK citizenship and to play for their country.

Is that the UK's growth and development system some of you are talking about.

Certainly parts of that system involve headhunting the best. Perhaps we should try it sometimes, instead of always going for the literal kill...

jinks 12:46 05.07.2011

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btw, a few years ago, they were offering a fortune for Nole to become british. Had he (i.e. his parents) accepted, he would have been celebrated here, today as the great british success

Have just mentioned it above, in reedited comment.

Imagine that kind of success ... what a sad day it would be, not only for us but, also, for everybody else. What kind of message would that kind of success convey.

Covek u belom 12:49 05.07.2011

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Colin_bgd
What a load of old cobblers...

Nobody prevents you from dreaming. So please keep yours...
However, I really wonder what's your pay grade in UK. Somehow I have a feeling you'd be embarrassed to admit...

jinks 12:53 05.07.2011

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More that his Don of a father is making in Serbia now?

That's the point. In Serbia he is a free man, obeying the law. And you may certainly call him befittingly.

In UK he would be nothing more then ... fill in the blanks according to your personal experience.

Colin_bgd 12:53 05.07.2011

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Imagine that kind of success ... what a sad day it would be, not only for us but, also, for everybody else. What kind of message would that kind of success convey.

It would have been the same success for Nole as it is now. The message is that anyone should be free to make their own choice, and that the origin of blood cells pre-determines absolutely nothing...

jinks 12:55 05.07.2011

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It would have been the same success for Nole as it is now.

I was talking about the british success, you mentioned before.

Colin_bgd 12:55 05.07.2011

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pay grade

Salary, my friend, is not a ticket to move between casts...

Covek u belom 13:21 05.07.2011

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Colin_bgd
pay grade

Salary, my friend, is not a ticket to move between casts...

Exactly the point, Nole might have succeeded because of the enormous proportion of his personal success so highly valued in western cultures. However, a common man despite his academic, creative, financial and other success (unless they become world level) cannot move into higher caste...

maca22 13:36 05.07.2011

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Casts? now we're talking sense....

Colin_bgd 13:37 05.07.2011

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unless they become world level

Hence, not impossible...

However, a common man despite his academic, creative, financial and other success

i.e. actually not common at all...

Why are subtleties always so difficult to argue with "our" people???

maca22 13:39 05.07.2011

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jinks
More that his Don of a father is making in Serbia now?

That's the point. In Serbia he is a free man, obeying the law. And you may certainly call him befittingly.

True. You can be a robber baron and be a free man obeying the laws. We agree at last.

Covek u belom 13:45 05.07.2011

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maca22
True. You can be a robber baron and be a free man obeying the laws. We agree at last.

Morality doesn't come with class, caste or success. And usually it's adversely proportional. British society is a fine example...

jinks 13:58 05.07.2011

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You can be a robber baron and be a free man obeying the laws.

The most sublime british invention that resonates through centuries.

p.s.

Srdjan Dj. is not a robber baron ... or is your point that Serbia and UK do not share the same legal definition of the term "robber".

maca22 14:00 05.07.2011

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Covek u belom
maca22
True. You can be a robber baron and be a free man obeying the laws. We agree at last.

Morality doesn't come with class, caste or success. And usually it's adversely proportional. British society is a fine example...

All the reasons more to stay here.

maca22 14:06 05.07.2011

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jinks
Srdjan Dj. is not a robber baron ... or is your point that Serbia and UK do not share the same legal definition of the term "robber".

My choice of words may be wrong. My point is not.

Covek u belom 14:06 05.07.2011

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jinks
Srdjan Dj. is not a robber baron ... or is your point that Serbia and UK do not share the same legal definition of the term "robber".

It's an interesting thing how hatred towards Nole's parents (father and uncle mostly I suppose) can be such a strong drive in her case. However, even more interesting are the standards she applies. She hates Novak because of his parents...

jinks 14:12 05.07.2011

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My choice of words may be wrong. My point is not.

When I said that you may call him befittingly, I meant that you may call him a free man.

Can you be a free man in a cast divided system, and where does the Slav from Eastern Europe fit in the Anglo-Saxon cast organized society. I do not dare to even try to comprehend it.

Covek u belom 14:13 05.07.2011

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maca22
All the reasons more to stay here.

If you wanna stay moral, yes, if however, you are immoral as Serbian ppl are, then you should better move to Britain, in some of their high classes preferably...

maca22 14:16 05.07.2011

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Covek u belom
It's an interesting thing how hatred towards Nole's parents (father and uncle mostly I suppose) can be such a strong drive in her case. However, even more interesting are the standards she applies. She hates Novak because of his parents...

But your logic is lost. What is really is interesting is how Novak successes in sport can be excuse for his collaboration with his father and local government in minds of some of his fans.

Colin_bgd 14:21 05.07.2011

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Can you be a free man in a cast divided system, and where does the Slave from Eastern Europe fits in the Anglo-Saxon cast organized society. I do not dare to even try to comprehend it.

Oh dear, oh dear...

Much fear I sense in you...

tyson 14:23 05.07.2011

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if however, you are immoral as Serbian ppl are

Are we?

Covek u belom 14:24 05.07.2011

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maca22
But your logic is lost. What is really is interesting is how Novak successes in sport can be excuse for his collaboration with his father and local government in minds of some of his fan.

Sure it is

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So Novak during 12 months season where he trains 60 hours a week when he's not on tournaments, and plays nearly 100 matches, travels to 20+ tournaments, flies half a million kms and have such a rare moments of free time between all these and numerous interviews, commercials, promotions, etc. and earns like 20+ million US$ per season from prize money and contracts (probably even more), spends all free time collaborating with his father and local government in order to earn additional 100k or 200k euros???????

That's not even irrational hatred that's just madness...

jinks 14:24 05.07.2011

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What is really is interesting is how Novak successes in sport can be excuse for his collaboration with his father and local government in minds of some of his fans.

Excuse me for meddling in your dialog.

But I do not understand why Novak should not collaborate with his father and local government ... and, on contrary, as I understood you previously, he should collaborate with the UK officials that offered him money to play for Great Britain.

maca22 14:28 05.07.2011

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jinks
What is really is interesting is how Novak successes in sport can be excuse for his collaboration with his father and local government in minds of some of his fans.

Excuse me for meddling in your dialog.

But I do not understand why Novak should not collaborate with his father and local government ... and, on contrary, as I understood you previously, he should collaborate with the UK officials that offered him money to play for Great Britain.

I never said he SHOULD collaborate with Brit officials. I simply say there's more for him (actually his familiy) here.

jinks 14:28 05.07.2011

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Colin_bgd
Can you be a free man in a cast divided system, and where does the Slave from Eastern Europe fits in the Anglo-Saxon cast organized society. I do not dare to even try to comprehend it.

Oh dear, oh dear...

Much fear I sense in you...

No, I meant this as a real question, not a rhetorical one. Can one be, from the point of somebody that lives there ... and how do you, as a Slav from Serbia (I suppose, but if not, the question stays the same, more or less) sense their social organization on your skin.

maca22 14:30 05.07.2011

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Covek u belom
That's not even irrational hatred that's just madness...

Insults won't get you far. But they will sunk your credibility low.

As for collaboration, he did pose for those precious posters, and was payed for them. And he never said a word to distance himself from some of his fathers actions, which do damage his reputation.

jinks 14:34 05.07.2011

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I never said he SHOULD collaborate with Brit official. I simply say there-s more to him (actually his familiy) here.

If so, why did the UK officials offer him money to accept UK citizenship. If you are right (in both quoted sentences), that should not need to happen.

That is a sort of collaboration, isn't it, at least from the point of UK officials, since they made a money offer.

Colin_bgd 14:34 05.07.2011

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But I do not understand why Novak should not collaborate with his father and local government ... and, on contrary, as I understood you previously, he should collaborate with the UK officials that offered him money to play for Great Britain.

Nobody said that Novak should have gone to play for GB. It was up to him and his family to decide. They've turned them down, good for them.

However, there is one major difference here. If Mr Daddy had accepted any money from UK "officials" it wouldn't have cost me (as a UK taxpayer) a single penny. I am not so sure who is these days, ultimately, sharing the cost of Mr Daddy's endeavours in Serbia...

Covek u belom 14:38 05.07.2011

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maca22
As for collaboration, he did pose for those precious posters, and was payed for them. And he never said a word to distance himself from some of his fathers actions, which do damage his reputation.

Lol, so he should confront, or even better publicly denounce his own father (who made so many sacrifices in order for Nole to successed and is solely accountable for all Nole's success) just because some "moral standard Maca" thinks of him as "robber barron"????
Would you denounce your own father in the same situation???
Do you really think you are such a high moral figure?

maca22 14:40 05.07.2011

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jinks
I never said he SHOULD collaborate with Brit official. I simply say there-s more to him (actually his familiy) here.

If so, why did the UK officials offer him money to accept UK citizenship. If you are right (in both quoted sentences), that should not need to happen.

That is a sort of collaboration, isn't it, at least from the point of UK officials, since they made an money offer.

I must say I don' follow you.

You're asking me why the Brits offered him money? You know the answer. Brits offered his to get medals for Britain.
And I never said that he should have accepted the offer.

So I do not understand your questions.

jinks 14:41 05.07.2011

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Nobody said that Novak should have gone to play for GB. It was up to him and his family to decide. They've turned them down, good for them.

The same question stands for you, too. Why did not UK officials asked: "Novak we would be more than honored if you and your family choose to accept our citizenship, and all the blessings that come along".

Instead, they offered money ... what does it mean. That somebody needs to be payed to accept to live there, or something else.

it wouldn't have cost me (as a UK taxpayer) a single penny

This is my point. If you people that left had (or have) 10% of this kind of trust, hope, and expectation for the country you left, when compared to as it seams 100% you have for the country where you live now, this place would be a triple heaven on Earth.

maca22 14:41 05.07.2011

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Covek u belom
maca22
As for collaboration, he did pose for those precious posters, and was payed for them. And he never said a word to distance himself from some of his fathers actions, which do damage his reputation.

Lol, so he should confront, or even better publicly denounce his own father (who made so many sacrifices in order for Nole to successed and is solely accountable for all Nole's success) just because some "moral standard Maca" thinks of him as "robber barron"????
Would you denounce your own father in the same situation???
Do you really think you are such a high moral figure?

Well these are the issues that you will have to chew on. Not me.

maca22 14:44 05.07.2011

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jinks
Instead, they offered money ... what does it mean. That somebody needs to payed to accept to live there, or something else.

Aaaaaaha, you meant, if Brits have to PAY the champ to become British, it means that Britain must be a terrible place to live.

Colin_bgd 14:46 05.07.2011

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No, I meant this as a real question, not a rhetorical one. Can one be, from the point of somebody that lives there, and how do you, as a Slav from Serbia (I suppose, but if not, the question stays the same, more or less) sense their social organization on your skin.

First of all, it is not written on my forehead that I am "a Slav from Serbia". I have never had any problems because of my serbian origin.

Will I ever be invited to have tea at the Buckingham Palace? I doubt it.
Was I ever institutionally discriminated? Never.
Does the state regard me any differently than any other british person? No.
Do I feel any negative pressures because I am "foreign"? None whatsoever...

I pay my taxes, the state leaves me alone to do whatever I like, until I break the law...

jinks 14:47 05.07.2011

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Aaaaaaha, you meant, if Brits have to PAY the champ to become British, it means that Britain must a terrible place to live.

I do not mean anything, I can only expect the answer.

Question still lingers ... why did they have to offer money? Or more simple, why did they offer money?

maca22 14:50 05.07.2011

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Because Britain is a bad place to be in.

I think we can call it a day. :)

jinks 14:53 05.07.2011

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Colin_bgd

Have you ever asked for anything else than working for Brits, being payed for it, and pay taxes, while living there (again this is a real question, not a rhetorical one. I can not post rhetorical questions since I have never lived abroad), and if so, what was the response.

Colin_bgd 15:00 05.07.2011

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Have you ever asked for anything else

Like what? Give me an example, please.

I wasn't asking for much anyway. Whatever you need you go out and get it yourself.

jinks 15:03 05.07.2011

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I must say I don' follow you.

You're asking me why the Brits offered him money? You know the answer. Brits offered his to get medals for Britain.
And I never said that he should have accepted the offer.

So I do not understand your questions.

Question is if, as you said, it should be more for Novak and his family to live in UK

I simply say there's more for him (actually his familiy) here.

why did the Brits still need to make them an offer.

Because of medals?

jinks 15:05 05.07.2011

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Whatever you need you go out and get it yourself.

OK, if that's the way it all works

mlekac 15:06 05.07.2011

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jinks
I must say I don' follow you.

You're asking me why the Brits offered him money? You know the answer. Brits offered his to get medals for Britain.
And I never said that he should have accepted the offer.

So I do not understand your questions.

Question is if as you said it should be more for Novak and his family to live in UK

I simply say there's more for him (actually his familiy) here.

why did the Brits still needed to make them an offer.

Because of medals?

I'm not really following you two, but, since you mentioned Brits and money, here is something from njuz.net:

Covek u belom 15:11 05.07.2011

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jinks
Because of medals?

Lol, you really think anybody does anything for medals. It's MONEY in question.
All England Tennis Club is a private company where couple of individuals (Timothy Dewe Phillips CBE (Chairman), PGH Brook, JS Dunningham, RM Gradon, IL Hewitt, Miss. DA Jevans, Mrs. AS Jones MBE, Mr. MA King, Mr. TH Henman OBE, GM Newton, JC Tatum, and KF Weatherley) share all the profit.
And of course everything is done for the profit. All the tradition BS (dressing code, strawberries, etc.), popularity advertizing, even Royal family attendance has only one goal - profit increase. The same was valid for Novak's "transfer".

maca22 15:17 05.07.2011

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Covek u belom
It's MONEY in question.
All England Tennis Club is a private company where couple of individuals

Ah, now all of a sudden, you're so very well informed.

maca22 15:18 05.07.2011

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jinks
Question is if as you said it should be more for Novak and his family to live in UK

I simply say there's more for him (actually his familiy) here.

"Here" is Serbia. I'm writing from Serbia.

ivon.i 17:59 05.07.2011

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"That's not even irrational hatred that's just madness.."

madness, madness..out of personal emptiness and failure, who knows what else !!

maca22 18:40 05.07.2011

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ivon.i
"That's not even irrational hatred that's just madness.."
madness, madness..out of personal emptiness and failure, who knows what else !!

I hope you enjoy Novaks victory since you probably lack your own. I never said I hate Novak or anything. So please don't put false words in my mouth it's very rude and misleading, but it is all right if that makes you feel better about yourself. The evil is in the eye of the beholder.

You have said so many nutty things, you are obliviously having serious problems since it appears Novaks victory is the best thing that happened to you lately (I wonder did you even know what tennis is before him?)
P.S. In the future learn to communicate trough dialogue not trough insults and false accusations. You might learn something.

ivon.i 19:29 05.07.2011

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Talking again, after 100 comments!
When is enough, when is satisfaction?
Beside, you are the one who insult the people..all the time.
So boring..

maca22 20:27 05.07.2011

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ivon.i
Beside, you are the one who insult the people..all the time.
So boring..

My not going crazy for Novak is insulting people?
OK, just for you: I love Novak.

I hope we made truce.

kick68 02:57 06.07.2011

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Was I ever institutionally discriminated? Never.

Very interesting remark coming from an immigrant... Every now and then I meet here an “immigrant” coming from the UK. I always ask what made them come across the ocean, stating my “serious” reasons in return. What I hear most often are complaints about class system, inequality and lack of opportunities.
I remember vividly one particular confession, the one of my teacher/instructor during a course that I took here. After she got a university degree there, she looked for a job, but no luck. There was a question “father’s occupation” on many job applications and one questionnaire was very specific: If he is an officer, please put “colonel”. (Meaning, if your father is not at least a colonel, you won't get the job.) That is when she finally understood that invisible gate keepers would never let her in, packed her things and left. She is in her late 50’ now. The world is changing, maybe things are better now.

Colin_bgd 07:43 06.07.2011

Re: On the

Very interesting remark coming from an immigrant...

Immigrants, emigrants, and me...

kick68 14:40 06.07.2011

Re: On the

Immigrants, emigrants, and me...

Sorry, I didn't get that. I didn't want to offend anybody. I just wanted to share what I heard about British class system from within, opinions of people who were born and grew up there.
Another example crossed my mind: Tamara Mellon, co-founder of Jimmy Choo company (although, I don’t feel sorry for her). She complained in one interview that high society never accepted her, because of her father’s alleged connections with Ronny and Reggie (the Kray brothers). It’s not all about money, I guess.
BTW, immigrant is one of the words that define who I am. No offense.

maca22 15:47 06.07.2011

Re: On the

Who needs upper-class's acceptance anyway?

Colin_bgd 08:14 07.07.2011

Re: On the...javascript:;

Sorry, I didn't get that.

I didn't want to offend anybody.

Neither did I. The title of this old album describes, more or less, my take on all this "immigration" business...

janeznam 11:49 05.07.2011

Why?

Why you can't exsept that the Novak is best? Not just you! There is the many people even in the Serbia!

srdjan.pajic 12:18 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

janeznam
Why you can't exsept that the Novak is best? Not just you! There is the many people even in the Serbia!

This isn't about Novak. He is the best in what he does. It would be nice if we have celebrated those kids from Mathematical Gymnasium, when they won their medals, but we are just people (and they are just nerds).

It is kind of worrisome to see all that sensitivity, it shows how thin and pathetic we are. Cris was almost shown the door after this blog post. For complaining about too much hysteria around the celebration, he got bombing (both Serbia and Hiroshima, I guess), fake moon landing, money laundering, and Perl Harbor staging rubbed in his nose, like he did all that to us personally (bombing, moon landing included). I am glad we are such a warm and hospitable nation.

kremba 12:20 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

janeznam
Why you can't exsept that the Novak is best? Not just you! There is the many people even in the Serbia!

To ljubomorno pa besno ...

Atomski mrav 12:24 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Cris was almost shown the door after this blog post. For complaining about too much hysteria around the celebration, he got bombing (both Serbia and Hiroshima, I guess), fake moon landing, money laundering, and Perl Harbor staging rubbed in his nose, like he did all that to us personally (bombing, moon landing included). I am glad we are such a warm and hospitable nation.

He was just patronizing, that's all...

maca22 12:27 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

I didn't sense that.

janeznam 12:28 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

I am glad we are such a warm and hospitable nation.

Atomski mrav 12:28 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

I did.

janeznam 12:31 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Uvek bilo!

srdjan.pajic 12:37 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Atomski mrav
Cris was almost shown the door after this blog post. For complaining about too much hysteria around the celebration, he got bombing (both Serbia and Hiroshima, I guess), fake moon landing, money laundering, and Perl Harbor staging rubbed in his nose, like he did all that to us personally (bombing, moon landing included). I am glad we are such a warm and hospitable nation.

He was just patronizing, that's all...

No, he didn't. But it is ok to add that to Perl Harbor and Hiroshima.

maca22 12:38 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

srdjan.pajic
Atomski mrav
He was just patronizing, that's all...

No, he didn't. But it is ok to add that to Perl Harbor and Hiroshima.

Atomski mrav 12:46 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

No, he didn't. But it is ok to add that to Perl Harbor and Hiroshima.

Yes he was.

edi-va 12:48 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Atomski mrav
No, he didn't. But it is ok to add that to Perl Harbor and Hiroshima.

Yes he was.

maca22 13:02 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

No, he wasn't.

(please, continue)

Covek u belom 13:06 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

srdjan.pajic
This isn't about Novak. He is the best in what he does. It would be nice if we have celebrated those kids from Mathematical Gymnasium, when they won their medals, but we are just people (and they are just nerds)

The success is measurable. You (living in the cradle of success weighting USA) should best know it.
Being the best out of 1000 kids of your own age and being the best out of 100 million active tennis players is something certainly not comparable.
Weighting it by "moral component" (science vs. running for the ball) just makes you a resentful snob, nothing else...

Covek u belom 13:12 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

srdjan.pajic
I am glad we are such a warm and hospitable nation.

I guess we learned it from his warm and hospitable nation. We might be a slow learner but eventually we do learn...

maca22 13:16 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Covek u belom
srdjan.pajic
I am glad we are such a warm and hospitable nation.

I guess we learned it from his warm and hospitable nation. We might be a slow learner but eventually we do learn...

This makes no sense.

srdjan.pajic 13:16 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Covek u belom

Being the best out of 1000 kids of your own age and being the best out of 100 million active tennis players is something certainly not comparable.
Weighting it by "moral component" (science vs. running for the ball) just makes you a resentful snob, nothing else...

I was measuring and comparing?

maca22 13:21 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

He was measuring too

Covek u belom 13:24 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

maca22
This makes no sense.

You blinded by your personal hatered towards Nole's parents make no sense either, so who cares if it make sense to you or not?

Covek u belom 13:27 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

srdjan.pajic
I was measuring and comparing?

If Nole wins Wimbledon and gets a celebration and then you come and ask why kids for matematicka don't get the same kind of celebration or attention for their "Olympic" medals you are certainly not comparing them. Right...

maca22 13:30 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Covek u belom
maca22
This makes no sense.

You blinded by your personal hatered towards Nole's parents make no sense either, so who cares if it make sense to you or not?

No, no, this is your mechanism of defense, and it too, is not true. I assure you that I like to poke on irrational people. And plenty of them emerged here.

Simply, saying that Serbs learned hospitality in our country from some other country makes no sense. What arguments do you have to support you claim (and explain it)?

fantomatsicna 13:33 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Being the best out of 1000 kids of your own age and being the best out of 100 million active tennis players is something certainly not comparable.

How about being the happiest kid?

Covek u belom 13:39 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

maca22
Simply, saying that Serbs learned hospitality in our country from some other country makes no sense. What arguments do you have to support you claim (and explain it)?

First, you have to be able to recognize sarcasm (towards his own country) in Pajic's post I was referring to.
Second, Americans are widely known for their inability to understand different cultures (and no, that is not a prejudice).
Third, my answer was a sarcasm towards his answer, that we actually learned from Americans not to tolerate their culture (and Chris as American).

I hope you'd be able to grasp it now.

Milan Novković 13:39 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

No, no, this is your mechanism of defense, and it too, is not true. I assure you that I like to poke on irrational people. And plenty of them emerged here.

Millions, actually – don’t forget to rotate the fingers, split the load between them evenly

Covek u belom 13:43 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

fantomatsicna
How about being the happiest kid?

How about how many kids actually Nole makes happy and inspired?

maca22 13:45 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Covek u belom
I hope you'd be able to grasp it now.

Thank you for the explanation.
Still, I fail to see things that way.

tyson 14:27 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Cris was almost shown the door after this blog post.

Oh gimme a break, by how many people? Here's help from a friend: the number is more than 0 but less than 2. Certainly not

I am glad we are such a warm and hospitable nation.

Why all that drama for Christ's sake?

srdjan.pajic 15:45 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

Covek u belom
srdjan.pajic
I was measuring and comparing?

If Nole wins Wimbledon and gets a celebration and then you come and ask why kids for matematicka don't get the same kind of celebration or attention for their "Olympic" medals you are certainly not comparing them. Right...

Khm, Snobe u Belom

, you would appear much smarter if you could focus on what was written, instead of implying something that lingers in your head for who knows what reason. If you are unable to understand, even if it is pretty simple, you are welcome to ask for clarification.

srdjan.pajic 16:06 05.07.2011

Re: Why?

tyson
Cris was almost shown the door after this blog post.

Oh gimme a break, by how many people? Here's help from a friend: the number is more than 0 but less than 2. Certainly not

You are counting Miki as 0?

Well, those 0<n<2 are highly productive.