Desničarenje Israela

izrael će ući u naredni kvartal sa desno-ka-ekstremno-desnom vladom, vladom brutalnih mega kapitalista ("otmimo od siromašnih da bismo dodali bogatima", i vladom rasista i ksenofoba ("smrt Arapima", i "bez lojalnosti nema državljanstva). elohim tišmor al israel (gospode, sačuvaj izrael).

Pa zar ovakvi ne vladaju vec svetom? Italija, Francuska, Nemacka, Danska, Holandija, Amerika sve do skora...

i svi narocito vole i postuju ovu: "otmimo od siromašnih da bismo dodali bogatima"

gospode, sačuvaj izrael, dodao bih (ako smem) od njega samog...

A što se Libermana i Vuka tiče... Similis simili gaudet!

ponekad želim da se probudim u novom danu kada će i taj gazda Liberman postati kao i svi ti miloševići, gazda-jezde, draškovići, koštunice-ilići...

Toliko ostrascenosti izbija iz recenice u kojoj se Vuk poistovecuje sa Jezdom, Milosevicem ili Veljom Ilicem. Postoji izreka da svaka predrasuda izrecena od strane velikog coveka postaje velika preprasuda. Upravo zbog toga mi je zao kada takve recenice vidim u blogu g-dina Fuchsa.

Inace, istine radi, Vuk je 2006. boravio u Izraelu puna tri dana i susreo se sa kompletnim drzavnim vrhom jevrejske drzave, liderima i vlasti i opozicije. Ne samo sa g-dinom Libermanom, sto bi se iz vaseg teksta moglo zakljuciti.
Takodje, tokom boravka u Izrealu Vuk je posetio najznacajnije nacinalne i kulturne institucije, poput centra Jad Vashem, a od direktora centra Simon Vizental, Efraima Zurofa (danas pocasnog gradjanina Novog Sada) dobio je dosijea trojice nekaznjenih krvnika, hortijevca Shandora Kepira i ustasha Milivoja Ashnera i Ive Rojnice.

Evo, nadjoh i tekst predavanja koje je Vuk prilikom narecene posete Izraelu odrzao, mislim na Hebrejskom Univerzitetu. Smatram da je prikladno navesti ga u celosti, posto je sam blog u velikoj meri posvecen sadrzini Vukove posete jevrejskoj drzavi 2006. g. Ukoliko pak autor smatra da se radi o trolu, neka moj post slobodno ubrise, ali neka barem ostavi link ka tekstu.

"Ne mogu da umirim emocije jer sam u Jerusalimu, prestonici Izraela, i to prvi put u svom životu. Primite, međutim, ovu činjenicu kao relativnu, jer sam, duhovno, od dana rođenja, bio u Jerusalimu i u ovoj Svetoj zemlji.

Iz istog razloga, uslovna je i relativna i svaka egzaktna priča o vezama Srba i Jevreja. Naprosto, istoričari i hroničari ne znaju i ne mogu znati sa kakvom je duhovnom energijom Biblija povezivala srpski narod sa jevrejskim, čak i onda kada fizičkog susreta među njima nije ni bilo.

Vekovima posle sloma na Kosovu i gubitka svoje države, Srbi i Jevreji živeće zajedno u mnogim gradovima Srbije, i jedni i drugi sanjajući oslobođenje svoje otadžbine. Srbi su, u molitvama i pesmama, spominjali Kosovo, a Jevreji Jerusalim.

Drugi svetski rat ispisao je posebne i večne stranice srpsko-jevrejskih veza.

Širom raskomadane jugoslovenske države, Jevreji i Romi ubijani su zbog zločina svog rođenja, a zbog istog zločina ubijani su i Srbi u tada Nezavisnoj državi Hrvatskoj.

Posleratna vlast u Jugoslaviji krila je istinu o genocidu, a naročito o genocidu u Nezavisnoj državi Hrvatskoj. Tako je nad ubijenim počinjen i zločin skrivanja zločina. Popis žrtava nikada nije obavljen, ali se procenjuje da je samo na tadašnjoj teritoriji nacističke Hrvatske likvidirano, najmanje, 600.000 Srba, Jevreja i Roma.

Drago mi je da ovde, u Izraelu postoji Udruženje Jevreja bivše Jugoslavije.

Voleo bih, ipak, kada bi u jednoj sekciji tog udruženja bili Jevreji iz Srbije, jer su oni i njihovi preci imali posebnu ulogu u istoriji novije Srbije, od Karađorđa pa do danas. Sa Srbima su bili i u dobru i u zlu, ugrađujući sebe u kulturu, nauku, diplomatiju, trgovinu, bankarstvo i sve grane srpske države.

Jehuda Haj Alkalaj, David Hajim Davičo, Leon Koen, Bora Baruh, Marko Čelebonović, Danilo Kiš, Oto Bihalji, Geca Kon, Breda Kalef, Dušan Mihalek, Rahela Ferari, Seka Sablić, Andrija Gams, Albert Vajs, Isidor Papo, Cvi Loker, Tomi Lapid, Nikola Balog, Šemaja Demajo, Dina Katan, Dan Rajzinger, Damjan Peković, Planinka Kovačević, Vesna Šomlo, Enriko Josif, Aca Singer... Neki od njih nisu među živima, neki su sada u Izraelu, a neki u Srbiji. Svi oni, kao i veliki Jevreji koje sam propustio da spomenem, jer bi spisak bio predugačak, naselili su srpsku istoriju.

Koliko znam, poreklom sa Kosova je i poznati izraelski novinar Raul Tajtelbaum. On može da posvedoči da na Kosovu sve planine, reke, gradovi i sela imaju srpsko ime. Da Srbi Kosovo zovu ,, srpskim Jerusalimom``. Da Srbi kažu da im, niko i nikada, iz njihove duše i srca ne može oteti Kosovo.

Jevrejin Oskar Davičo autor je, verovatno, najlepše poeme o Srbiji koja je ikada napisana.

Velika poema o bratstvu Jevreja i Srba tek traži svog autora."

sam posvetio jedan od svojih poslednjih blogova, ne bez razloga. Dobro pamtim devedesete. Dobro pamtim Vukove osude zločina u Bosni, pamtim jednog od retkih ljudi koji je govorio o besmislenosti ratova. Pamtim njegov vapaj Srbima u Krajini da prihvate plan Z4 koji bi ih sačuvao od Oluje, pamtim njegovo prepoznavanje DB kadrova, od V.Š. do ostalih. Znam za njegove greške, nemam razloga da ga branim. Ali uvek je video unapred. Vuk je devedesetih bio najveći vizionar Srbije.

Nece to ici bas tako lako sa Libermanom.

Taj takozvani desni blok (Gus haJamin) uopste nije tako ideoloski konsolidovan kao sto ga se predstavlja (nije uostalom ni lijevi, ali to niko ne osporava). Izrael Beitenu je tvrdokorno sekularna partija, u cijem se programu nalaze predlozi, npr, za gradjanske (tj nereligiozne) brakove, na sta partije kao sto su Shas i UTJ tesko da mogu pristati. Uostalom, da je desni blok iole solidaran, vec bi se nazirali obrisi neke koalicije, a toga ocigledno nema.

Mislio sam, i dalje mislim, da je najvjerovatnija kombinacija Kadima/Likud/Labor, sa eventualnom rotacijom premijerskog mjesta izmedju Livni i Netanjahua, po uzoru na dogovor Peres/Samir iz 80ih. To bi bila vlada sacinjena od (za izraelske pojmove) jako malog broja partija, i to bas od onih koje imaju relativno sirok dijapazon biraca, i nisu namjenjene uskim etno-politickim demografskim skupinama. Sve druge koalicije bile bi nestabilne, sadrzavale bi neozbiljne partije, i tesko da bi daleko dosle sa mirovnim procesom.

Ne kapiram baš potpuno iozraelsku političku scenu pa da te upitam nekoliko stvari, prosto zbog razjašnjenja..
1. Gde su nestali laburisti i zašto su nestali..
2. Jeli kod Netanjahua odnosno LIKUD-a program da sa Arapima stvari rešavaju po modelu "humanog preseljenja" odnosno zamene stanvništva..
3. Mislim li ispravno ako pomišljam da bi Liberman mogao u vladu sa onim "ko da više"...Bez obzira na naci pristup i retoriku, on meni tako deluje.Deluje kao čovek koji bi sa jednima doručkovao a sa drugima večerao...

.Bob Dylan - Gotta Serve Somebody
You may be an ambassador to England or France,
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance,
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world,
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You might be a rock 'n' roll addict prancing on the stage,
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage,
You may be a business man or some high degree thief,
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young Turk,
You may be the head of some big TV network,
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame,
You may be living in another country under another name

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home,
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome,
You might own guns and you might even own tanks,
You might be somebody's landlord, you might even own banks

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride,
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side,
You may be workin' in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair,
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk,
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk,
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread,
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy,
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy,
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray,
You may call me anything but no matter what you say

You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody.
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

US professors warn against coalition with Lieberman

Prominent Jewish academics launch petition urging Netanyahu, Livni not to form government with Yisrael Beiteinu leader. Such a move, they say, will delegitimize Israel in world and strain its relations with American Jewry

multi religiozan,
samo se bojim da ne bude i ova transformacija

Iako licno nisam glasao za Libermana niti podrzavam desno orjentisane stranke ne mogu a da se ne otmem utisku
da je Liberman proizvod celokupne situacije na bliskom istoku.Kako ekstremisti jacaju medju palestincima tako se i ovde cuju ratni poklici od strane desnicarskih partija i obratno.Licno nemam sta da mu zamerim jer u stvari on govori ono sto velika vecina Jevreja u Izraelu trenutno misli ali se plasi javno da kaze(tu ukljucujem i ljude sa leve strane politicke mape u Izraelu kojih ima dosta u mom okruzenju"קיבוץ של שומר הצעיר".).I naravno da ce na tom talasu da osvoji ovoliki broj mandata.
Po meni za Izrael u politickom i u drustvenom smislu su mnogo opasnije ortodoksne stranke poput"shasa"beit jeudi"...a one imaju poprilican broj mandata(ako se ne varam svi zajedno 23)
Sto se tice jevrejsko srpskog prijateljstva,licno mi je blizi srcu Avigdor Liberman nego recimo Merec koji je za vreme bombardovanja NATO-A pruzao punu podrsku Amerikancima Cak su pravili i demonstracije podrske i prozivali ceo srpski narod kao genocidan,dok smo mi protestvovali ispred americke ambasade-Ja sam licno vodio prepirku sa clanovima mereca (liberalne socijal demokrate)na nekoj radio emisiji.
I na kraju kao sto sam i ranije na tvom blogu rekao misljenja sam da jedino desno orjentisane partije mogu da dovedu do nekog stabilnijeg mira u regionu.Kakve god sporazume levo orjentisane partije pravile sa Palestincima uvek ce pola Izraela da se protivi,sto dovodi do nestabilnosti na politickoj sceni(Oslo) .U slucaju da sporazum prave desno orjentisane partije,osecaj je da ceo Izrael staje iza toga(uzmimo za primer sporazum Menahem Begin-Sadat i povlacenje iz Sinaja.
Cisto informacije radi evo i jednog izlaganja Libermana na plenarnoj sednici u Knessetu o raspravi u vezi priznavanja Kosova


Kosovo: A Dangerous Precedent


Speech delivered by Mr. Avigdor Lieberman , Chairman of Israel Beytenu Party, Deputy of The Knesset, at the Plenary Session on the issue of recognition of Kosovo’s independence, 25.02.2008

Distinguished Madam Speaker, distinguished Ministers and Deputies!

It is with great concern that I have been following the dangerous process unfolding in Kosovo. It is my belief that we are facing here a highly perilous precedent, and one can only guess how soon we will have to deal with its impact on the situation in our region.



First of all I would like to stress that the province of Kosovo has never been independent. Throughout its history Kosovo has never been granted independence even for a minute. We are speaking here about an integral part of Serbia, a region located in the very heart of a sovereign state, a UN member. I want also to emphasize that Serbia so far has been adhering to all international laws and regulations. Officially, the former Yugoslavia disintegrated to form six independent republics. For example, when Montenegro that had been the closest natural ally of Serbia decided to separate, a referendum was held there. And Serbia did recognize the outcome of the referendum although the Serbs were very much against the idea of separation. But Montenegro indeed had been one of the federal republics that got independence after the disintegration of Yugoslavia. Kosovo is a case of an entirely different nature. Once an autonomous province where, due to an ironic twist of history, Albanians formed the ethnic majority, it announces unilateral declaration of independence. And this is done when there exists the sovereign state of Albania enjoying full recognition of the international community. Let me emphasize again that the Albanian ethnic minority in this region emerged as a result of an accidental turn of history, and yet this majority today is declaring the establishment of an independent state named Kosovo by way of a unilateral separation from Serbia.



I think the consequences of this event may be far reaching. It will have an impact, first of all, on the whole system of international relations. There is another concern: today any issue related to separatism and ethnic minorities is a matter of great sensitivity and significance. Never before has the international community recognized an unilaterally proclaimed independence in a form of a state declared by an ethnic group.



What kind of political development that might follow suit one can expect, for instance, in Europe? Again, we can clearly see application of double moral standards in the behavior of many world nations. It is obvious that it is not moral principles that underlie the politics of each of these countries, but rather their own interests and nothing else. Germany, for example, where there are no ethnic minorities so far, hurried on to recognize Kosovo. Spain, on the other hand, having severe problems with Bask separatists, strongly objects to such recognition. Cyprus, divided into the Greek part and the Turkish part, is another country that strongly opposes to Kosovo’s independence. Georgia, the most faithful ally of the USA among the former Soviet republics, voices its categorical disagreement, being deeply involved in problems with Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In fact, Georgia claimed it would never recognize Kosovo as a state. The Transnistria is a disputable problem between Moldova and Romania… In short, in matters like this every country is guided not by the high moral principles, but entirely follows its own interests. However, the consequences of this approach are going to be severe.



What impact is it going to have on our situation? I have already heard the statement by Yasser Abed-Rabu who, taking the advantage of the Kosovo precedent, said: ”If the peace talks are stopped, we will declare the independence of the Palestinian state unilaterally”. I have no doubts at all that this precedent may affect our situation even in another 5, 10 or 15 years. What prevents, for instance, the Galilee Arabs from declaring their own independent state? And if they do, I fail to see how they can be stopped in it so after the Kosovo precedent.

Those analysts in Israel who stand for recognizing Kosovo adduce the following argument: at last there is a secular Muslim state on the international arena, and we should encourage and appreciate the process that brought about such an outcome. Unfortunately, the major trends in the Islamic world are of exactly opposite direction: secular countries are being transformed into religious Islam states. One example is Turkey, a Muslim country that was initially established and designed based on the principles of secularism stated in its Constitution. We all remember Ataturk, the revolution of the Young Turks, the Constitution they adopted and its main principle being the secular nature of the Turkish state. And now look at the latest trends in the Turkish society – we see a movement in the reverse direction. Look at the latest elections in Turkey, the recent legislation adopted by the parliament - they all clearly show the reverse trend. Let us look at Iran, a country that 30 years ago used to be the most faithful ally not only for Israel, but for all the Western World. Look at the events there. Thus, the fact that Kosovo today is a secular Muslim state is not an argument at all. It cannot be used as an argument since we know from our own experience that trends my change in the nearest future.



Let us look further. Those who call for recognizing Kosovo say: “But if the USA have already supported Kosovo’s independence, how can we act in defiance of Americans in this case?” I remember the last elections in the Palestinian Autonomy, which Ariel Sharon vigorously opposed. But the USA insisted on the elections to be held, and these elections were, in fact, the making of the American State Department. And what are the results that we all face? HAMAS and Kassams! The ability to say “NO“ even to one’s best friend is a real test for our leaders.

In our view, there are going to be far-reaching consequences. Moreover, let us have a closer look at the current trend within the Israeli society. I mean the document issued by the Superior Observance Committee of Israeli Arabs that claims: “We will never recognize the State of Israel as a Jewish and Zionist state”. Add to this claim their appeals to the Arab citizens urging them not to serve in the Israel Defense Forces, not serve in police, not to do the alternative service…



Yesterday a hot debate took place in the Knesset Committee on Education concerning the alternative service for the Arab youth. Naturally, most journalists, many of whom, by the way, did not attend the session, chose to pay attention only to “piquant” details that usually interest the yellow press. Let me explain the issue. The alternative military service for Israeli Arabs emerged as a result of the work of the committee headed by David Ivri. Now, a Knesset deputy considering himself a successor of Azmi Bishara takes the floor and says that David Ivri is a nationalist, an extremist and a chauvinist, and that Arabs who do the alternative service will be treated as outcasts. Are those young Arabs who volunteer for alternative service committing any “crime against their own people”? They are going to work at a hospital in Nazareth, to help the sick people - and they are treated like lepers. This example shows us that trends among Arabs in our own country are completely clear.

That as why I want to appeal again to our government and Ministry of Foreign affairs:

do realize that this precedent is inadmissible, the State of Israel should by no means recognize it, this is an issue where we cannot be influenced by other countries and recognize Kosovo’s independence. And once again, I want to respond to those who claim this event will not turn into a precedent. I did hear the statement issued by the USA State Department claiming that Kosovo is a special case and that recognizing Kosovo’s independence is not going to serve as a precedent, that such practices would not be tolerated in other cases. Trust me, this is a precedent. I already see how it is going to be used to serve their purposes of ethnic minorities in any country. Already in at least four points on our planet statements have been made to that effect. This is what is stated in the declaration made by the national leaders of Abkhazia, formally a constituent of Georgia: ”The Kosovo precedent does apply to us”. Similar statements were made by the leaders of South Ossetia and the Transnistria. As for our region, I have already mentioned the statement made by Yasser Abed-Rabu who also considers the recognition of Kosovo’s independence to be a precedent.



In view of the aforesaid, I hope that the government when considering the issue will act out of common sense, and that our leaders will demonstrate enough wisdom and political will to stand for the Interests of Israel. We should remember Charles de Gaulle’s words: “France has no friends; only interests”. Our country also has interests, and those are interests of vital importance, concerning the very existence of the State of Israel. Let us act accordingly. I want to thank you for your attention.”



On behalf of the government, Minister Yakov Edri responded to Mr. Lieberman. He said that the government does not intend reaching a decision concerning Kosovo’s independence until the matter is studied comprehensively: ”The official position of Israel at the moment is that the issue needs to be examined. It is my strong hope that eventually a decision will be reached that best serves the interests of the State of Israel. I suggest the matter be passed to the Knesset Committee on Foreign Affairs and Security for further consideration.”



The deputies voted unanimously for passing the issue of recognizing Kosovo’s independence to be considered by the Knesset Committee on Foreign Affairs and Security.

jadni budimac.
puko je.
po savovima.
srdjane ostalo na kraju,
da se ipak ti
boris sa ovim temama.
mlad si, ima vremena.
a i bog ce da da.