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Američka kritika "Srpskog filma"

Srđan Mitrović RSS / 09.04.2010. u 13:03

Da li treba reći ko je Harry Knowles? Ukratko, on je jedan od osnivača sajta Ain't It Cool News i jedan od najčitanijih i najuticajnijih filmskih kritičara danas. Harry je gledao Srpski film na festivalu SXSW 2010. Ja ne pamtim kada je jedan srpski film dobio ovakve kritike od uticajnih filmskih kritičara kao što se to dogodilo danas.

Prenosim vam originalnu kritiku: "SERBIAN FILM is a brilliant movie."

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Srpski Film aka SERBIAN FILM is already on its way to becoming a notorious film. This is something that a little bit of excess here or there graphically can provide with little to no skill. I can’t even begin to tell you how many schlocky graphically intense films I’ve been shown in my life that all “Had To Be Seen To Be Believed”.

There are very few that I can then recommend to you, my audience here at AICN.

SERBIAN FILM is a brilliant movie. The very best film that I saw at SXSW 2010. I say that not with a tongue in my cheek, some wicked friendly relationship with the filmmakers… none of that. SERBIAN FILM is so much more than the very little “over the top” imagery that it contains.

Imagine a film written by Paul Schrader at the height of his seventies super powers directed with the handsome presentation of a David Fincher. Now imagine that their subject matter is the very scary world of avant garde illegal former Soviet block Porn production. If you remember a film I recommended way back in 2002, DEMONLOVER, a film featuring Chloe Sevigny, Gina Gershon and some other cool folks – in a way, SERBIAN FILM is the dream film dealing with rough subject matters.

This is an incredibly handsome film, very very Western in its story-telling. Like all films dealing with the “Rabbit Hole” plotline, the movie begins by showing us just what a wonderful family man, Milos the famous porn god is. Milos is retired from porn. Has a stunning wife, a cute kid. But an old co-worker of his, someone he helped make famous with his famous cock. She wants him to get back into the game with the latest holy shit offer of untold fabulous amounts of money TO DO PORN.

Now the main thing about this Milos guy is this. He’s very charismatic. This actor is fantastic…. As perfect for this character as DeNiro was in TAXI DRIVER. He’s just the right guy. You absolutely believe him, his family, his brother who fantasizes about his wife… the whole thing, it just seems right. He doesn’t live in a palace, it is a very middle class looking life style. Apparently the money he’s being offered for this return to the game… could bump him up to the next lifestyle bubble.

The other MAIN character is the mad genius porn director that nobody has any record of… who apparently was a leading Child Psychologist. This actor, who again, I just do not know… He’s perfect. He’s that right layer of slime for the role. He has about as much “Eww” as you’d expect from an Eastern European Porn Director with a Vision. But the actor is perfect. Perfect because… Yeah, run. Seriously, run. If a man that used to be a great Child Psychologist offers you unbelievably fabulous money to star in a porn fucking “to be revealed later” in “situation to be disclosed later” – RUN. Seriously, just fucking run. The actor just sells it. Just don’t accept the offer.

But it is a lot of money. Life changingly ludicrous gobs of money.

For what? 4 days of fucking tops? Sure, why not?

Now for the difficult part. How to describe the rabbit hole that our “hero” plummets through?

I’ve been struggling with this for weeks. I dearly love this movie specifically because I didn’t know the twists and the turns. I love the film because I was expecting something that would probably come across cheap, instead it looks as handsome as the most prestigious film from a major studio.

The first day of shooting is just a little fucked up. Nothing so much as to make you run screaming for your life… but if you know anything about foreshadow, than anyone with the critical mind could imagine where this “artisitic genius of a porn auteur” might be headed. You’d be wrong, but still. It is weird enough that you could lose an erection, or become rock harder, depending on your own degree of wrongitude.

Now at this film’s most intense, it is not… to me… more traumatic than NEKROMANTIK 2, but it is as dark a film as they come. Lovecraft would be proud of this descent into madness ending. However, the ending is exactly the ending it needs to be.

I would fully expect this film to be shortened by a minute or two for domestic distribution. I completely get this situation because in its current state, there are a handful of theaters in the United States that would have the chutzpah to show the film that was shown at Midnight at the Alamo Drafthouse South in Austin. That’s not a false praise, it is a reality.

This is a film that when the prints were made… twice, the film developer burned those prints because they didn’t understand what they were looking at. This is a film that without breaking any major rules… seems to, but again if you take a very reasoned look at what you are seeing at any given moment, you realize what you are not seeing onscreen at the same time.

That said – there is some very realistic simulation of things that in various states, could be deemed illegal – thus, the film will require a few snips. This sucks, but this is the way it is… until there are more theater owners with backbone and integrity to show the best of cinema, no matter its subject matter… until there are distributors that wish to return us to challenging and difficult subject matters told brilliantly… well, until they pick up a film like this. A film that frankly is very very accomplished. A distributor that understands the value of getting it shut down in a few intolerant communities – in order to sell the film in the liberal godless markets in this widely diverse country of ours. This is a film to wake the ire of the right, and bring down the awesome of those that support the arts.

SERBIAN FILM demands to be seen by folks like you that read this site, this is a film that deserves that same kind of demand it support that got PARANORMAL ACTIVITY going… but even that miracle release needed a studio to have the balls to release it and get behind it when the word called for it.

I really do hope you good folks get to see this movie. It is tremendous. One of the best “EXTREME” films to come along in the history of this site. Think of films like OLDBOY, SYMPATHY FOR MR VENGEANCE, IRREVERSIBLE, etc. You know the titles. They’re the films that if you have it, you’ve shown to others – introducing the titles because no studio really did.

I pray that SERBIAN FILM has that kind of future at the very least. We should all be so lucky to see it.

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Bili Piton Bili Piton 13:18 09.04.2010

Well


if ever I read a raving review - this is it.
7ispala7 7ispala7 13:24 09.04.2010

..on se izjasnio..

..ali me zanima da li se tebi svideo film?
Jelica Greganović Jelica Greganović 13:26 09.04.2010

UAU!

We should all be so lucky to see it.
4krofnica 4krofnica 13:28 09.04.2010

sjajno!

He’s very charismatic. This actor is fantastic

apsolutno.
jedva cekam da vidim film, bar se nadam da imam dovoljno jak stomak
Dont Fear The Reaper Dont Fear The Reaper 13:39 09.04.2010

Lepo ali nebitno

Mislim, lepo je da se jedan ovdašnji film (a da nije made by ovdašnja "filmska mafija" pominje, pa makar i od nekog ko smatra da ovde žive divljaci (zamislite deco, film je urađen "na Zapadni način" ali nebitno za to kakav je zaista film

Da ne ulazimo u to otkud pa "najuticajniji", ali čovek jednostavno nema ukusa. Mimo toga što preporučuje filmove kao nekad ovdašnji kompjuterski časopisi robu - koliko platiš, toliko dobiješ povoljnih ocena i mimo toga što obožava porno filmove pa i filmove koji se bave tom temom (stoga je + dobar ručak na koji su ga vodili i preporučivao onaj veoma prosečan film koji u kritici pominje - Demonlover) kako ozbiljno shvatiti čoveka koji hvali Avatar ili se onoliko ulaguje Skoresezeu za Shutter Island (koji je jedan fin film, ali lakozaboravljiv, osim kao stilska vežba bez trunke neizvesnosti i istinskog suspensa).
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 14:01 09.04.2010

Re: Lepo ali nebitno

čovek jednostavno nema ukusa.

kako nema ukusa kad mu se dopada Srpski film?
noboole noboole 14:28 09.04.2010

Re: Lepo ali nebitno

Dont Fear The Reaper
Mislim, lepo je da se jedan ovdašnji film (a da nije made by ovdašnja "filmska mafija" pominje, pa makar i od nekog ko smatra da ovde žive divljaci (zamislite deco, film je urađen "na Zapadni način" ali nebitno za to kakav je zaista film

Da ne ulazimo u to otkud pa "najuticajniji", ali čovek jednostavno nema ukusa. Mimo toga što preporučuje filmove kao nekad ovdašnji kompjuterski časopisi robu - koliko platiš, toliko dobiješ povoljnih ocena i mimo toga što obožava porno filmove pa i filmove koji se bave tom temom (stoga je + dobar ručak na koji su ga vodili i preporučivao onaj veoma prosečan film koji u kritici pominje - Demonlover) kako ozbiljno shvatiti čoveka koji hvali Avatar ili se onoliko ulaguje Skoresezeu za Shutter Island (koji je jedan fin film, ali lakozaboravljiv, osim kao stilska vežba bez trunke neizvesnosti i istinskog suspensa).


Avatar je sjajan film.
die hard die hard 23:30 09.04.2010

Re: Lepo ali nebitno

Avatar je sjajan film.


Avatar je film koji divno izgleda u bioskopu i koji ljudima koji imaju potrebu da se na tom mestu zabave vrlo prija.Posle filma lepo legne diskusija sa prijateljima, casa vina, piva, soljica kafe ...
noboole noboole 08:53 10.04.2010

Re: Lepo ali nebitno

Praviti vrednosnu razliku, kako mi se cini da radis - mozda pogresno citam, izmedju gledalaca koji su dosli da se "zabave" i te plemenite kategorije koja ce uz pivce da diskutuje o, recimo, nekom Lars v. Trierovom filmu nema smisla, jer je legitimno pravo vizuelne umetnosti da izgleda sjajno i da to bude jedini cilj.

Sta sad, da li su impresionisticki predeli manje vredni od politicki angazovane umetnosti?

jinks jinks 14:07 09.04.2010

Psychologist

Ko zna na koje se sve nacine upotrebljava psihologija
babmilos babmilos 14:17 09.04.2010

treći blog...

... u roku od 2 meseca na temu srpskog filma. srđane, svečano objavljujem da moje zazubice ne mogu da budu zazubičastije nego što jesu. dakle, molim: ili dosta više blogova, ili daj rapidshare linkove!
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 14:24 09.04.2010

Re: treći blog...

: ili dosta više blogova, ili daj rapidshare linkove!

ili jedna privatna projekcija za prijatelje sa bloga
babmilos babmilos 14:26 09.04.2010

Re: treći blog...

sve može, može i cenzurisano, ma kako bilo, samo da konačno vidimo to čudo!
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 14:28 09.04.2010

Re: treći blog...

čim se ukaže prilika, ja ću obavestiti na vreme.
babmilos babmilos 14:29 09.04.2010

Re: treći blog...

ko kaže da kukanje ne pomaže?
die hard die hard 23:31 09.04.2010

Re: treći blog...

ili jedna privatna projekcija za prijatelje sa bloga

E ovo su prave zazubice!
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 14:31 09.04.2010

kad smo već kod kritika, evo još jedne:

Drew McWeeny

If you were anywhere within earshot of me during SXSW, then you already have some idea of just how enthusiastic I was about a screening that happened early in the festival, a screening that may turn out to be one of my few chances to see this audacious debut on the bigscreen.

However, it's precisely because the film hit me so hard that I found myself unable to quite put it all into words during the festival. It's taken me until now to get my head around it completely so I could somehow write a review that wouldn't just be ranting and raving. So what is "A Serbian Film"? Hmmmm...

"This is a new genre, Milos!"

-- Vukmir Vukmir, "A Serbian Film"

On one level, "A Serbian Film" is the movie that Brian De Palma and Dario Argento teamed up to make in 1987, and it works as a dark, inhuman thriller in which a family man's tainted past catches up with him and threatens the happy life he's built for himself. It is the story of one generation's crimes becoming a younger generation's punishments. But even before any of that, it is a hysterical cry for help, a cultural declaration of surrender that I found emotionally devastating.

Here's what I believe. Anyone who is writing seriously about the current culture of cinema should be required to review "A Serbian Film." I think it's a significant litmus test. It is a challenge, no doubt about it. When Tim League introduced the film and said it actually disturbed him when I watched it, I took that as fun but empty hype. Tim League has seen more onscreen depravity than would seem possible in the span of one human lifetime, so for him to preface a film with a warning that this even tested his threshold seemed too William Castle for me to believe.

I should have listened.

I should have believed.

"That's it, Milos! That's the cinema!"

-- Vukmir Vukmir, "A Serbian Film"

The film introduces one of its dozen themes in the opening scene, where Milos (Srdjan Todorovic) and his wife (Jelena Gavrilovic) return home to find their nine-year-old son watching a hardcore porn film. Even worse, it's a film that stars Milos. He's retired, supposedly, but he's running low on his reserves of cash, and he's starting to think about a return to the business. When he's approached by Lejla (Katarina Zutic), an actress he worked with in the glory days, she's got a mysterious offer he has a hard time turning down. She knows someone who wants to make a piece of political pornography, and they want Milos to star in it. She plays to his vanity first, then plays to his insecurity, finally hooking him. He agrees to meet the director of the film, Vukmir Vukmir, and that meeting is the start of a chain reaction avalanche, like a rollercoaster with a track that only goes down.

Vukmir Vukmir is this movie's Satan, the ruiner, constantly seducing Milos down the road to a self-made Hell. It's a great role, and (Sergej Trifunovic) tears it up. He's gleeful because he genuinely believe in his artistic mission. He's doing something significant. He's saving Serbia with depravity. The way Vukmir shoots the film, there's no script, no warning ahead of time about what he's going to ask Milos to do. Vukmir is invisible, speaking to him by earpiece, and everything plays out for real. Whatever Milos does, it's real. And it's disturbing to see the way Milos is lured down the rabbit hole, the way his moral compass is reset to a new north each day. The pace and energy of the filmmaking is very precise, controlled, with a scary command of film language. It's fitting. You can't make a film about a brilliant but disturbed filmmaker and make it truly effective unless you make a slick and truly depraved movie. You can't make a genuinely shocking film about pornography without showing images that are, by definition, pornographic.

And therein lies the rub.

"At least your dick liked it... and he never lies."

-- Vukmir Vukmir, "A Serbian Film"

This is that rare film in that it never flinches. Once the film starts, it never once shies away from the ideas or the imagery that it introduces. As a result, you find yourself in moments in the film where you start to worry that you're about to see something so awful that you'll be changed by it, and then after they show you what you were afraid of, they show you something worse. Most films that flirt with darkness do exactly that: they flirt. They tease. They are never quite as horrifying as you think they'll be. The screenplay that Aleksandar Radivojevic and Srdjan Spasojevic wrote together is a catalog of the darkest corners of the human heart, and they're young enough that they've got the same sort of crazy pent-up film nerd energy that early Tarantino had. That kind of command of language. Spasojevic is the director of the film, and I'm not making a cursory comparison when I mention De Palma or Argento or early Carpenter. The film is shot is gorgeous 2.35:1 scope, using the Red camera, and if I didn't know that, I might think I was looking at old '70s stock 35mm. It's that lush and visually impressive. It is an incredibly angry film, and there are some dark laughs so dark that they just sort of take your breath away. It's a tricky structure, because for the first hour, it's all build-up. It's the seduction, as Vukmir Vukmir shoots the first three or four days in his film, culminating in a moment that Milos finds repulsive, degrading, over a line he didn't even realize he needed to define.

Then Vukmir Vukmir levels with Milos. He lays bare his whole philosophy. He explains who he really is, what he's really shooting. He still doesn't lay out specifics, but he defines the borders of the game, and the borders are non-existent. He goes so far that something happens onscreen, graphically, in your face, without any cutting away or relief of tension or horror that I guarantee... no matter what rough or dangerous films you've ever seen before, you will see something you have not seen. You will see it and you will hear it. And it is goddamn awful.

And from that point, you might think, "That's it. Whatever else they show me, that's the line. They went further than anyone ever, and there's nothing else they can do that's going to go further."

And you would be wrong.

"Victim sells."

-- Vukmir Vukmir, "A Serbian Film"

In the second hour, time is no longer linear. Milos wakes up in bed, smeared in blood and filth, and he's lost three days. There are only a few clues to follow, but each one is going to lead him to remember a little more of what he's done and what's been done to him. And while the image I described above is a nightmarish image for any audience, a generally unimaginable horror, what happens in the second hour is personal to Milos. He's taken on a ride into his own life, where all the simmering tensions between him and his wife and their son and his brother all spill over and drown him. Vukmir Vukmir directs Milos through three of the worst days possible. The film just punches and punches and punches.

Talking to Tim League and Rodney Perkins of Fantastic Fest after the screening, it was obvious that they really wrestled with whether or not to program the movie. They made the right choice. This summer, Mitch Davis is going to be showing the film at FanTasia in Montreal, and I would argue that it is one of the most important dates on the festival calendar for North American critics. If you haven't seen the film, get to Montreal and see it because I don't know when or if it will play here again. I seriously challenge every working critic who reads this to see the film, and to only see it theatrically. Do not watch a screener. Do not watch it in a setting you control. You have to be willing to lock yourself in a room with this movie and a crowd of total strangers. That's part of what is so terrifying about it. You know you're not supposed to say or do or think any of what Vukmir Vukmir does or puts Milos through, but you also know that other people do think this way, and those people could be sitting around you reacting to what they're watching in a much more disturbing way. It's scary because you realize that this is the way these filmmakers are saying it feels to be Serbian. Pardon my language, but in Serbia, you are f**ked from birth, you are f**ked until you die, and then, no doubt, you will be f**ked some more. That's the simple truth of this movie, and until you live it, you don't realize just how jet black a view of life that really is.

It's about victimization and humliation, and how it's an industry that certain regions of the world export for the consumption of other regions of the world. In Serbia, they don't see themselves contributing or leading or competing. They see only one role for themselves and their countrymen... as victims to be sold to people sitting in comfort somewhere, watching the suffering so they can feel better about their own lives. The film asks if you can truly have a pornographic industry without creating a victim economy, which is a HUGE thing for a film like this to tackle. The pornographic is everywhere, they argue. It's inconveniently convenient at this point. From the opening scene to the final images, there is blatant sexual imagery in almost every single frame of the film, in every corner of the culture it presents. Even as they're driving Milos to an unnamed destination, drugged and crazy and ready to kill him, they drive by billboards that he can see from the floorboards of the back seat, and on the billboards, half-naked women beckon and bend. They cast the film with truly stunning Eastern Bloc beauties in every single female role. It's alarming how beautiful the cast is, and that's no accident. It's the cartoon of what the West imagines when we think of women in the former Soviet states.

"Welcome to a warm family home."

-- Vukmir Vukmir, "A Serbian Film"

The lead performance by Todorovic is intense and incredible, an Old Testament Job for the porn age, and he really is the thing that makes it all work. He has to be fearless as a performer. We hear that in connection to things like Reese Witherspoon movies here, but allow me to laugh. There is very little in American cinema that actors are asked to do that is genuinely terrifying. This guy has a substantial career in Serbia. I mean, come on... this is the star of "Strawberries In The Supermarket," "The Red Colored Grey Truck," and the entire "We Are Not Angels" series including "We Are Not Angels 3: Rock & Roll Strike Back," for god's sake. He was described to me by the filmmakers as "the Serbian Kevin Bacon." I'm trying to imagine Kevin Bacon doing what Todorovic does here. It's not working.

Here's how much "A Serbian Film" affected me. We saw it at midnight on the Sunday night of SXSW this year, at the Alamo South Lamar location, and it was a rowdy, energetic screening. Before the film screened, Tim League asked several of us up onstage to do "Extreme Tequila Shots." That means you snort the line of salt, you drink the shot of tequila, and you squeeze the lime right onto your eyeball. I was involved. There is photographic proof of this bouncing around Facebook now. It hurt like I can't even describe. That feeling is what the film did to every single person in that room. Outside afterwards, it was like comparing notes on a crime that had been committed right in front of us. One person, Scott Weinberg, couldn't make the screening, but as he heard everyone talking about it, he realized he needed to see it that night to review it. He managed to procure the festival's official screener of the film, and needed a place to see it. An Austin friend, Luke Mullen, who saw the screening with me, offered to let Scott and I watch the film on a portable DVD player in his truck so we wouldn't wake anyone. I sat through it a second time, making notes about specific things, and even screening it like that, I was totally absorbed in it. The power of what they've made is just amazing. Love it or hate it, you cannot deny that it's an experience, and a reminder of just how dangerous film can be in the right hands.

babmilos babmilos 21:56 09.04.2010

Re: kad smo već kod kritika, evo još jedne:

Pardon my language, but in Serbia, you are f**ked from birth, you are f**ked until you die, and then, no doubt, you will be f**ked some more


In Serbia, they don't see themselves contributing or leading or competing. They see only one role for themselves and their countrymen... as victims to be sold to people sitting in comfort somewhere, watching the suffering so they can feel better about their own lives


ako je čovek sve ovo ukapirao SAMO gledajući film, onda svi moramo da imamo svoju DVD kopiju filma, za slučaj da se neko ludilo desi i naša deca dožive da im nije jasno o čemu čovek priča.
yanko yanko 15:15 09.04.2010

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Hmmm... A hoće li se Srpski film uopšte prikazivati u Srbiji? Jesu li našli distributera? Ili ćemo svi kod tebe?
Bili Piton Bili Piton 15:26 09.04.2010

Re: ?

yanko
Hmmm... A hoće li se Srpski film uopšte prikazivati u Srbiji? Jesu li našli distributera? Ili ćemo svi kod tebe?


Po meni to i nije film za general distribution - zapravo ga vidim kao jedan od onih filmova koji se prikazuju samo u Kulturnom centru npr. i tamo imaju release i run.
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 15:44 09.04.2010

Re: ?

A hoće li se Srpski film uopšte prikazivati u Srbiji?

sumnjam.
ja se nadam da će nekih projekcija ipak biti. pa makar i tajnih
kinky kitten kinky kitten 15:52 09.04.2010

Re: ?

Srđan Mitrović
A hoće li se Srpski film uopšte prikazivati u Srbiji?

sumnjam.
ja se nadam da će nekih projekcija ipak biti. pa makar i tajnih

A zasto? Gde je zapelo?

edit: ok, informisala se na prethodnom blogu. Nema muda, dakle
curadorsorchid curadorsorchid 12:14 11.04.2010

Re: ?

PRIJAVLJUJEM SE, ZVANICNO, ZA PREMIJERU, PREDPREMIJERU I RADNU PROJEKCIJU(AKO TAKO NESTO POSTOJI)!
KAKO BI BILO COOL DA, ETO, I MI U SRBIJICI, POPUT GOSTIJU NA FILMSKOM FESTIVALU U TORONTU(AKO SE NE VARAM) VIDIMO U JEDNOM DANU, RECIMO, U NEKOM BEOGRADSKOM BIOSKOPU SRPSKU DRAGOCENU FILMSKU SELEKCIJU- SRPSKI FILM, ZIVOT I SMRT PORNO BANDE I CARLSTON ZA OGNJENKU. SAMO CARLSTON SAM VIDEO, I TO NEKOLIKO PUTA U BIOSKOPU, I CIMAO SVE MENI POZNATE NA PROJEKCIJU(UKLJUCUJUCI I MOJU KEVU). PORNO BANDU SAM PROPUSTIO NA PRETPROSLOM FESTU, ZBOG PUTA, A PROJEKCIJE U BALKANU, TAKODJE PROMASIH, JER OPET NISAM BIO TU. SRPSKI FILM ZELIM SVAKAKO DA GLEDAM U BIOSKOPU, I NADAM SE U BEOGRADU. IGNORISACU MEGAUPLOAD, KOLIKO JE GOD MOGUCE. AKO NI DO TADA NE DOCEKAM BIOSKOPSKU PROJEKCIJU, ORTAK I JA CEMO KOD NJEGA NA GAJBI DA, PREKO KOMPJUTERSKOG PROJEKTORA ODGLUMIMO BEOGRADSKU PREMIJERU.
IPAK, HOCU BIOSKOPSKU PREMIJERU U BEOGRADU SRPSKOG FILMA(OVAJ PUT NECU KEVU VODITI), HOCU DA GLEDAM JEDAN IZUZETAN DOMACI(!) FILM, KOJI, DA NE POVERUJEM, GOVORI O MOM SVETU(MISLIM NA SRPSKI MILJE) NA ADEKVATAN NACIN, BEZ DODVORAVANJA BILO CEMU IZ DOMINANTNE "MOZE SVAKAKO- KULTURE"!
OK, KAD JE PREMIJERA?
Bonner Bonner 12:24 11.04.2010

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curadorsorchid

... HOCU DA GLEDAM JEDAN IZUZETAN DOMACI(!) FILM, KOJI, DA NE POVERUJEM, GOVORI O MOM SVETU(MISLIM NA SRPSKI MILJE) NA ADEKVATAN NACIN, ...


Pa da se posteno prosvetlis i opasuljis, dabome. Posle toga nista vise nece da bude kao sto je bilo, ni na blogu a kamoli u stvarnom zivotu!



jasminas jasminas 15:19 09.04.2010

Sjajno

Čestitke celoj ekipi filma - mislim da se nikada ni o jednom srpskom filmu nije ovoliko i ovako pisalo. Srđane, ja bih se pridružila apelima koji prethode - ili da vidimo to čudo ili da više ne pišeš blogove na ovu temu:)
stefan.hauzer stefan.hauzer 15:22 09.04.2010

na ceni...

Vidim,ceni se Srpski Film...tamo,preko bare!?
Nego,kad cemo mi moci,isto tako da ga cenimo i procenimo?
Malo me nervira ta situacija,oko samog prikazivanja u Srbiji...
joseywales joseywales 15:33 09.04.2010

Ko će, bre, ovo da dočeka...

Srđane, projekcija or it didn't happen.
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 15:45 09.04.2010

Re: Ko će, bre, ovo da dočeka...

it didn't happen

it happen in america
a za koji dan i evropska premijera u Briselu
joseywales joseywales 18:16 09.04.2010

Re: Ko će, bre, ovo da dočeka...

Srđan Mitrović
it didn't happen

it happen in america
a za koji dan i evropska premijera u Briselu


e, ako ovim ne razbucamo EU, onda džaba nam posao...
neverovatnimiki neverovatnimiki 17:08 09.04.2010

Smrc..!

A nista o divnom i obecavajucem filmu "Serbian Scars"?
Inner Party Inner Party 17:43 09.04.2010

Distribucija

Sad samo da se nadje neko hrabar. Zaista hrabar. I da odradi distribuciju ovog cuda ...
joseywales joseywales 18:14 09.04.2010

Re: ?

Srđan Mitrović
A hoće li se Srpski film uopšte prikazivati u Srbiji?

sumnjam.
ja se nadam da će nekih projekcija ipak biti. pa makar i tajnih


evo, sad će darko, samo da završe renoviranje... ipak je ovo k'o strano, a naše.
draft.dodger draft.dodger 17:51 09.04.2010

...

Dakle, to je ta romantična komedija koju si planirao za sledeće filmsko veče : )
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 18:12 09.04.2010

Re: ...

looping looping 18:17 09.04.2010

Novina

Da je Serbian Film ljubavna drama, akcioni, avanturisticki, komedija ili bilo koji drugi zanr osim ovog (ne znam kako da nazovem ovaj zanr) siguran sam da niko ne bi reagovao i da ga niko ne bi ni primetio. Ono sto je zanimljivo u ovom filmu je naslov i nesto sto do sad nije vidjeno a ide uz taj naslov (po misljenju zapadnih medija jos u toku ratova na ovim prostorima). Ono sto je po mom misljenju dobro a ovaj film pokazuje samim tim sto je snimljen je stepen demokratije u Srbiji koji posle ovog filma niko ne moze da nam ospori. Ovde moze da snima ko sta hoce i da radi ko sta hoce - raj za umetnike.
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 18:20 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

(ne znam kako da nazovem ovaj zanr)

pa naravno da ne znaš kad nisi ni gledao film.
Ovde moze da snima ko sta hoce i da radi ko sta hoce - raj za umetnike.

u čemu je ovde problem? ti si za neku cenzuru?
looping looping 18:40 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

Ovo je ono sto sam gledao i nisam ni za kakvu cenzuru. Drago bi mi bilo da ovaj film pokupi sve nagrade ako nista onda bar zato sto je nas. Ali takodje mislim da ovaj film ne bi naisao ni na kakvu reakciju da u njemu nema ovoliko nasilja i da se ne zove kako se zove i neko ce medijski to da iskoristi za ocrnjivanje ove zemlje. Verovatno ce poceti u americkim filmovima da koriste izraze "Mucicu te tako jako mislices da si u Srbiji!".
PS Izvinjavam se na trolu.
stefan.hauzer stefan.hauzer 18:46 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

Ali takodje mislim da ovaj film ne bi naisao ni na kakvu reakciju da u njemu nema ovoliko nasilja


Onda to ne bi bio taj film,vec neki drugi...
JJ Beba JJ Beba 19:44 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

Ali takodje mislim da ovaj film ne bi naisao ni na kakvu reakciju da u njemu nema ovoliko nasilja i da se ne zove kako se zove i neko ce medijski to da iskoristi za ocrnjivanje ove zemlje.

Ako je česta psovka u Srba jebem li ti dete u depence ili jebem li ti mrtvu majku koje se često čuju na ulici i među decom čak, zašto misliš da je film pravljen tendenciozno da privuče pažnju?
fim je ekranizacija najcrnjih sranja koje živimo svaki dan. Decenijama
Ako se bude prikazivao u bioskopima ti lepo nemoj da ideš i sve je u redu
noboole noboole 21:05 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

JJ Beba

Ako je česta psovka u Srba jebem li ti dete u depence ili jebem li ti mrtvu majku koje se često čuju na ulici i među decom čak, zašto misliš da je film pravljen tendenciozno da privuče pažnju?


Nikada nisam cuo da neko tako opsuje.
looping looping 21:19 09.04.2010

Re: Novina


Ako je česta psovka u Srba jebem li ti dete u depence ili jebem li ti mrtvu majku koje se često čuju na ulici i među decom čak

Zbog psovki se ne ponosim, ali ajde makar da glumimo finocu.
fim je ekranizacija najcrnjih sranja koje živimo svaki dan

Ako pricamo medju nama o najcrnjim sranjima u redu, mozda smo i najgori ali ne moramo to da ekranizujemo, iznosimo u svet i da zbog najcrnjih sranja dobijamo nagrade.
zašto misliš da je film pravljen tendenciozno da privuče pažnju?

Svaki film je biznis pa i ovaj nije izuzetak.
Ako se bude prikazivao u bioskopima ti lepo nemoj da ideš i sve je u redu

Gledacu film sigurno (mozda ne u bioskopu), deci ga verovatno necu pustati.

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 21:25 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

Svaki film je biznis pa i ovaj nije izuzetak.

ovo toliko nije tačno da ne znam odakle da počnem! molim da se ne generalizuje.
JJ Beba JJ Beba 22:34 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

noboole
JJ Beba

Ako je česta psovka u Srba jebem li ti dete u depence ili jebem li ti mrtvu majku koje se često čuju na ulici i među decom čak, zašto misliš da je film pravljen tendenciozno da privuče pažnju?


Nikada nisam cuo da neko tako opsuje.

idi?
onda ne ideš na pijce, nikada nisi bio u seoskom bircuzu....
ja sam čula klince kako se svađaju nedalko od škole Isidora Sekulić i takve psovke izgovaraju da nisam mogla da verujem. sigurno su ih od nekoga čuli

kad pokušaš da vizualizuješ neke naše psovke shvatiš šta deca od malena slušaju i kakvim vokabularom tešu jezik i mozak

kad tome dodamo generacije dece koji su odrasli uz porniće na regularnom TV programu dobijaš podlogu za srpski film

neki roditelji pokazuju ogromno veselje kada čuju svoju malu decu kako kao papagaji izgoraju najodvatnije psovke koje postoje u srpskom jeziku.
JJ Beba JJ Beba 22:39 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

Zbog psovki se ne ponosim, ali ajde makar da glumimo finocu.

a kako da ne glumimo, da stvarno budemo fini?
Ako pricamo medju nama o najcrnjim sranjima u redu, mozda smo i najgori ali ne moramo to da ekranizujemo, iznosimo u svet i da zbog najcrnjih sranja dobijamo nagrade.

ima ljudi koji su besni zbog takvog sauntreka detinjstava, koji su generalno besni zbog cele mentalne torture u kojoj su odrastali i živeli poslednjih 20ak i kusur godina,
kukusigameni kukusigameni 22:45 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

Onda bi po tebi ameri trebali da snimaju filmove o balegama.

Bullshit!
JJ Beba JJ Beba 22:56 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

kukusigameni
Onda bi po tebi ameri trebali da snimaju filmove o balegama.

Bullshit!

po meni ne mora ništa
die hard die hard 23:37 09.04.2010

Re: Novina

ti si za neku cenzuru?


Ja sam, ocijumi, za cenzuru tj banovanje.Kakva odvratna rec, btw.
die hard die hard 23:43 09.04.2010

Re: Novina



Nikada nisam cuo da neko tako opsuje.


Blago si ga tebi.Ima i gorih psovki, veruj...
draft.dodger draft.dodger 07:52 10.04.2010

Re: Novina

JJ Beba
Ali takodje mislim da ovaj film ne bi naisao ni na kakvu reakciju da u njemu nema ovoliko nasilja i da se ne zove kako se zove i neko ce medijski to da iskoristi za ocrnjivanje ove zemlje.

Ako je česta psovka u Srba jebem li ti dete u depence ili jebem li ti mrtvu majku koje se često čuju na ulici i među decom čak, zašto misliš da je film pravljen tendenciozno da privuče pažnju?
fim je ekranizacija najcrnjih sranja koje živimo svaki dan. Decenijama
Ako se bude prikazivao u bioskopima ti lepo nemoj da ideš i sve je u redu


Ja sam skoro čuo psovku:
Jebem li ti srce...

BOLES'

EDIT
Ovu psovku sigurno nisi čula...

EDIT 2

ZERBIA ĆENTRALE

EDIT 3

Boris, Krle i ta ekipa...
Igor_Jaramaz Igor_Jaramaz 19:10 11.04.2010

Re: Novina

JJ Beba
Ali takodje mislim da ovaj film ne bi naisao ni na kakvu reakciju da u njemu nema ovoliko nasilja i da se ne zove kako se zove i neko ce medijski to da iskoristi za ocrnjivanje ove zemlje.

Ako je česta psovka u Srba jebem li ti dete u depence ili jebem li ti mrtvu majku koje se često čuju na ulici i među decom čak, zašto misliš da je film pravljen tendenciozno da privuče pažnju?


Да, утолико што се та псовка једини пут на интернету спомиње на претходном уносу блога С. Митровића где си користио исту аргументацију у одбрани овог, назовимо га филма.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Jebem+li+ti+dete+u+dupence%22&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1B3DVFA_enCA233CA233&filter=0

Но какве то има везе с медиокритетима којима је тата омогућио да снимају филм?
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 19:33 11.04.2010

Re: Novina

nema potrebe da ikoga vređaš.
a mogu da se kladim da film nisi ni gledao.
MeHiLow MeHiLow 19:11 09.04.2010

Uh, Harry Knowles...

Moram da se slozim s Reaperom (koga se ne plasim) da Harry nikako nije bas to sto bi ti Srdjane voleo da jeste, sudeci prema tvom uvodu u tekst. AICN sam citao jos 1999. i tada i nekoliko godina kasnije, je bio prilicno relevantan, ali pre svega svojim iskrenim fanboy pristupom koji je tada jos i bio kako-tako autentican: nije se stideo svojih geekovskih senzibliteta - promovisane su shlj japanske anime, pornografija, super-heroji i sva ta lozana. E sad, tokom godina, ti senzibiliteti su ostali bas to - geekovski. Dakle, daj lozenje, daj upeglanost, daj nesto sto ce da bude COOL (kao sto mu i naziv sajta govori). Na dodatnu zalost, to je sve tokom prethodne decenije, tokom koje je geek populacija postala jedna od najznacajnijih ciljnih grupa za filmove u USA, metastaziralo. Knowles je stekao laskavu titulu opinion-makera u doticnoj populaciji (zasluzeno), veliki igraci su to nanjusili, te je relativno brzo og samozvanog glasa generacije postao PR za filmske studije. I za PR astroturfera ga i smatraju, u sve vecoj meri - cak i geekovi, kojima ima zahvaliti za svoj prvobitni status. Tako da, izvini, ali - kredibilitet izvora, hm, tezi nuli. Covek ne zna nista o filmskom izrazu i filmskoj umetnosti, nego je iskljucivo fokusiran na lozacku sadrzinu i efektnu vizuelizaciju.

A sasvim je treca stvar to sto tvorci Srpskog Filma 99% nisu uticali na Knowlesa onako kako to uticu producenti Transformersa, Avatara ili Clash of the Titansa i sto je njegovo onanisanje verovatno autenticno (mada, s obzirom na to koliko su para momci imali da ga snime i sta se prica po gradu ko im je finansijer, mozda bi i mogli... Da, da, cudo je kako je to jedan "handsome" film). Ali, sam stil teksta govori dovoljno. Too much gushing, not enough brushing...

DISCLAMER: Ne shvatite me pogresno, ovo nema veze s time sta ja licno mislim o Srpskom Filmu. Nisam ga gledao, ali video sam sve trailere, znam o cemu se radi, znam sinopsis, sa sve krajem. Nazalost. Mrzim spoilere, ali su mi ispricali i pricu i kraj... i mislim da je tipicno nedomisljen i... hm, sta je rec koju trazim... Sav u soku, nikakav u supstanci. Kao ejakulacija na suvo. Steta. Neka moj supak, pardon, misljenje, za sada ostane na ovome. Vise o tome kada ga i pogledam.
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 20:10 09.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

Harry nikako nije bas to sto bi ti Srdjane voleo da jeste, sudeci prema tvom uvodu u tekst.

nemam ja šta da volim ili ne. tako je. čovek jeste uticajan i čitan.
mada, s obzirom na to koliko su para momci imali da ga snime i sta se prica po gradu ko im je finansijer, mozda bi i mogli... Da, da, cudo je kako je to jedan "handsome" film).

ovo je već maliciozno.
mi baš volimo da umanjimo nečiji uspeh.
joseywales joseywales 20:42 09.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

nisam skoro bio u gradu... šta kažu? čiji je?
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 20:47 09.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

ja bio u gradu ali očigledno da se ne krećem po pravim trač kafićima. ili možda pijacama.
die hard die hard 23:46 09.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

japanske anime, pornografija, super-heroji


Sve ovo nabrojano nikako nije nekakav shit nego proizvod pop-kulture, generalno naravno.A tu ima raznog smeca i sjajnih bisera.
gasan gasan 02:19 10.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

MeHiLow
Sav u soku, nikakav u supstanci.


Šta ako taj šok ima umetničko opravdanje?
Verovatno je ovom našem apatičnom društvu baš bio potreban Srpski Film, da ga malo prodrma.
Gledanje ovog filma može biti neka vrsta emocionalnog bungee jump-a...

Sudeći prema prašini koju je podigao nakon samo dve projekcije ovo će biti važan film, potencijalno najkontroverzniji i najzabranjivaniji.
Bili Piton Bili Piton 03:06 10.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

gasan
MeHiLow
Sav u soku, nikakav u supstanci.


Šta ako taj šok ima umetničko opravdanje?
Verovatno je ovom našem apatičnom društvu baš bio potreban Srpski Film, da ga malo prodrma.
Gledanje ovog filma može biti neka vrsta emocionalnog bungee jump-a...

Sudeći prema prašini koju je podigao nakon samo dve projekcije ovo će biti važan film, potencijalno najkontroverzniji i najzabranjivaniji.


All style and no substance je cesta primedba u umetnosti, i vrlo cesto opravdana, samo sto ja nekako ne verujem da je to ovde slucaj. Videcu kad pogledam film.
MeHiLow MeHiLow 09:58 10.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

Evo da jos malo razjasnim

@Srdjan

Nema "mi", to sam samo ja. Razmatram "uspeh" Srpskog filma u parametrima koje smatram za relevantne - a ne smatram da su ejakulacije H. Knowlesa relevantne, ma koliko neosporno bio uticajan u odredjenim krugovima (koji, kao sto napomenuh, nisu poznati po raspoznavanju kvaliteta u filmovima, to su cesto ljudi koji misle da je Dark Knight film filmova, npr). Kao sto rekoh, video sam kako Srpski film izgleda (fotografija, montaza) - odlicno. Cuo sam autorsku "eksplikaciju" i isprican mi je zaplet, sa sve kulminacijom - ne bas toliko odlicno. Ali, daj da ga vidim kao celinu, pa cemo pricati o filmu per se. Upecatljiv ocigledno jeste, zapao je za oko nekolikim ljudima u USA, OK.

@joseywales

Pa recimo samo ovako - svi se ubise od pricanja kako "niko ne stoji iza ovog filma", kako "ministarstvo nije dalo pare" kako su "sami sve izgurali"... A film lep, profi snimljen na RED-u, isao u inostrane laboratorije (kao i svi filmovi ovdasnji, a iza svih tih drugih "stoji neko" ), top domaci glumci... Dakle, ili su momci sinovi bogatih roditelja ili imaju vrlo imucne sponzore... Imucni sponzori u Srbiji su vrlo malobrojni. Neka ostane na tome, jer su ipak to carsijske price. No, odredjena nelagoda u meni postoji, jer se gore navedene stvari prosto ne uklapaju, zar ne?

@die hard

Apsolutno sam saglasan. Stavise otud sam i citao AICN kao klinac, jer sam voleo i pratio sve doticno (racunajuci i pornice). Ipak, rabidnu fanovstinu doticnih pop-kulturnih "izrazaja" (OK, da ne racunamo pornice) nisam nikada razumeo. Ima tu odlicnih stvari, strip kao zanr je verovatno moja omiljena umetnost, anime su pomerile nacin izrazavanja u animaciji u novim pravcima itd. Ali ima tu mnogo trasha. I ima ga sve vise, sto postaju popularniji. Valjda to tako ide, die.

@gasan

Dizanje prasine i kontroverznost nazalost uopste ne moraju da znace umetnicki kvalitet, all I'm saying.
loveyou loveyou 10:38 10.04.2010

Re: Uh, Harry Knowles...

@MeHiLow
tachno i jasno...
mit o uspehu TAMO DALEKO
Goran Nikolić Goran Nikolić 21:25 09.04.2010

hvala za kritiku

trajler je sjajan
nadam se i film
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 21:27 09.04.2010

Re: hvala za kritiku

nema na čemu.
nadam se da ćeš film moći sam da proceniš.
kukusigameni kukusigameni 21:29 09.04.2010

Da li...

mozda znas koliki je bio budzet filma i ko ga je finansirao?
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 21:30 09.04.2010

Re: Da li...

za budžet stvarno ne znam, ali ga je finansirao reditelj.
MeHiLow MeHiLow 11:24 10.04.2010

Re: Da li...

za budžet stvarno ne znam, ali ga je finansirao reditelj.


Mislis, reditelj ga je bukvalno finansirao iz svog dzepa ili reditelj je nasao ljude koji ce dati pare za film?
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 11:34 10.04.2010

Re: Da li...

to ćeš morati da pitaš reditelja.
ja znam da je reditelj ujedno i producent filma i da država nije dala ni jedan dinar za film.
ako je to tebi najvažnija tema, što se onda ne potrudiš, nađeš reditelja i pitaš ga.
MeHiLow MeHiLow 15:52 10.04.2010

Re: Da li...

but in Serbia, you are f**ked from birth, you are f**ked until you die, and then, no doubt, you will be f**ked some more.


Ovo je meni vazno (BTW, taj drugi review je vrlo dobar, narocito opservacija o viktimizaciji i pohvale na temu umeca vodjenja filmske price, inace endemskog problema srpskih filmadzija). Ovo je "poruka" i raison d'etre filma, kako su sami autori hrabro izrekli. A s druge strane, imali su, nekim cudom, nekoliko stotina hiljada evra da naprave taj i takav film u toj i takvoj Srbiji, bez podrske "bilo koga". Hm. Tu vidim slabost koja na neki nacin utice i na sam sadrzaj, na odredjene scenaristicke odluke itd. Ali, kao sto rekoh, vise kada konacno zaista i pogledam film.

Da budem 100% jasan: Spasojevic i Aca Sok Koridor su napravili bas film koji citavim svojim umetnickim bicem, temom, stilizacijom, vristi kako se ne moze odvojiti faktor okoline od nekog unutrasnjeg umetnickog. To je takodje jedna bitna neuralgicna tacka u tematskom korpusu filma, nadam se da si saglasan, Srdjane. Film kaze "ovo je Srbija" ovo je "srpski" film. Ovakav, sokantan, ali upeglan, grozan ali lep. I zato uopste nije moguce gledati ga van konteksta u kome je stvoren. Sve to je uvezano. I sve to je bila ideja tvoraca. Zato mi je vazno i ono "a, odakle vam lova frajeri"?
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 16:03 10.04.2010

Re: Da li...

Zato mi je vazno i ono "a, odakle vam lova frajeri"?

meni je važno kakav je film.
a "odakle su pare" me zanima samo kad se finansira iz mog džepa (ministarstvo i ostale institucije).
loveyou loveyou 16:05 10.04.2010

Re: Da li...

drugi prikazi

http://www.cinematical.com/2010/03/16/sxsw-review-serbian-film/
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/03/15/a-serbian-film-shocks-midnight-audiences-at-sxsw/tab/article/
ninasimone ninasimone 19:01 10.04.2010

Re: Da li...

MeHiLow
Film kaze "ovo je Srbija" ovo je "srpski" film. Ovakav, sokantan, ali upeglan, grozan ali lep. I zato uopste nije moguce gledati ga van konteksta u kome je stvoren. Sve to je uvezano. I sve to je bila ideja tvoraca.

Upravo tako. Da se ne ponavljam, na prethodnim Srdjanovim blogovima sam rekla sta mislim o naslovu filma. Ukratko, iako ne cine uslugu mainstream sadrzajima iz Srbije jer je ukupnog sadrzaja toliko malo pa neminovno dodje do povezivanja u glavama ljudi, njihovo je pravo da nazovu film kako hoce i da vide Srbiju kako hoce, svidjalo se to nama ili ne. Pri tom i drugi (javnost, pojedinci, gledaoci) imaju pravo da se distanciraju od vizije autora. Medutim, sami autori insistiraju upravo na tom povezivanju uz argumente da je njihova vizija jedina ispravna i istinita. To ide do te mere da se sada i uspeh autora prikazuje kao uspeh srpske kinematografije iako je film uradjen uprkos istoj. Poenta ovog sto pisem je (valjda): autori su rekli sta su imali, postigli su to sto su postigli, o razmerama i kontekstu se moze diskutovati, ali su postigli za sebe i zahvaljujuci sebi. Nema razloga da "delimo" te zasluge kao sto nije bilo razloga da delimo viziju.

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 23:34 10.04.2010

Re: Da li...

Nema razloga da "delimo" te zasluge kao sto nije bilo razloga da delimo viziju.

ovo može da se odnosi na sve kao što su recimo teniseri.
ja ne delim ništa nego mi je drago kada se neko usudi u ovoj zemlji da napravi pravi nezavistan film.
babmilos babmilos 09:52 11.04.2010

Re: Da li...

ninasimone
Medutim, sami autori insistiraju upravo na tom povezivanju uz argumente da je njihova vizija jedina ispravna i istinita.

koja je svrha stvarati ako misliš da tvoja vizija nije ispravna i istinita. samo ubedljivost stvorenog može da dovede gledaoca do osećanja prepotentnosti stvaraoca. eto ti kum kao primer: don vito i majkl su "dobri ljudi skoro blage ćudi, sjebalo ih nevrijeme", što kaže štulić. a mrtvih ne se zna broj.
BebaOdLonchara BebaOdLonchara 14:26 11.04.2010

Re: Da li...

i da država nije dala ni jedan dinar za film.

ali zato je SPC dao ozbiljnu kintu.
ninasimone ninasimone 20:12 11.04.2010

Re: Da li...

babmilos
ninasimone
Medutim, sami autori insistiraju upravo na tom povezivanju uz argumente da je njihova vizija jedina ispravna i istinita.

koja je svrha stvarati ako misliš da tvoja vizija nije ispravna i istinita. samo ubedljivost stvorenog može da dovede gledaoca do osećanja prepotentnosti stvaraoca. eto ti kum kao primer: don vito i majkl su "dobri ljudi skoro blage ćudi, sjebalo ih nevrijeme", što kaže štulić. a mrtvih ne se zna broj.

Da, u pravu si, kreativnost podrazumeva uverenost u sopstvenu viziju a ubedljivost stvorenog kaze koliko je ona opravdana ili ne. I hvala na ovome jer bas o tome se i radi. Pitanje je sta film sam po sebi govori bez dodatnih i naknadnih tumacenja/objasnjavanja autora, konkretno ovde mislim na Q&A seansu na festivalu u Ostinu (davao je klip Srdjan). Ljudima koji ne znaju mnogo o politickoj situaciji u Srbiji nije bas bilo jasno o cemu se tu radi, a i zasto bi? Samo delo i njegovo prikazivanje na festivalu ih je upucivalo na sasvim drugacije zakljucke: da u Srbiji ne postoji cenzura jer je moguce ovako nesto snimiti, da je moguce naci finansijere van drzavnih ustanova (drzavne ustanove kao producenti je vec samo po sebi mislena imenica za americke reditelje), da niko nije zavrsio u zatvoru zbog ovog filma, da neki od autora imaju cak i sopstvenu emisiju na mainstream kanalu, da je glavni glumac srpski Kevin Bejkon iako verovatno nisu nikako mogli da zamisle da pravi KB prihvati ovakvu ulogu...Ako je potrebno da najpre iscedis limun u oko da bi "razumeo" film, onda je to slaba preporuka, ne upucuje na univerzalnost.
edit: kad kazem univerzalnost, ne mislim na gledanost u sirokim masama nego na prepoznavanje cak i u okviru malih, specificnih grupa gledalaca poput ovih u Ostinu.
kukusigameni kukusigameni 16:20 12.04.2010

Re: Da li...

Meni je samo glupo sto si neiskren u odgovoru. Ti kao montazer, nakon gledanja filma mozes dati procenu budzeta. A mislim da si bio i neiskren oko toga ko je finansirao taj film. Ok, nadam se da gresim.

za budžet stvarno ne znam, ali ga je finansirao reditelj.

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 16:28 12.04.2010

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Ok, nadam se da gresim.

grešiš. a ti sad veruj ili ne.
što se budžeta tiče, mogu da procenim ali neću da lupam. zaista ne znam kakve su honorare imali autori i glumci.
kukusigameni kukusigameni 16:32 12.04.2010

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Verujem. Nisam ni pitao za egzaktnu cifru, nego za tvoju procenu. Izvini ako je drugacije zvucalo.
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 16:36 12.04.2010

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mnogo faktora zavisi. zaista ne bih licitirao. zavisi od broja snimajućih dana, iznajmljivanje opreme, honorara, scenografije...
recimo da je TT SINDROM koštao samo neverovatnih 20.000 dolara!
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 21:29 09.04.2010

o filmu piše The Wall Street Journal

Austin filmgoers generally have a high tolerance for edgy cinema, but last night’s midnight screening of “A Serbian Film” at the South by Southwest Film Festival even managed to push those boundaries. [CAUTION: This story describes some disturbing actions and images.]

Selected by the programmers of Fantastic Fest, a genre festival that takes place in the city in the fall, the movie has quickly developed a reputation over the past several days as the go-to title for testing one’s boundaries for cinematic exploitation. Fantastic Fest co-founder Tim League introduced the screening by coaxing a handful of audience members to join him on the stage — where they jointly snorted lines of salt, squeezed lime juice into their eyes and took shots of tequila. Why?

Wiping away tears of pain as the color slowly returned to his face, League told the audience, “This is the least we can do to say we understand what Serbians have been through to create a culture of Serbian film.”

“A Serbian Film” certainly lived up to its reputation as a taboo-shattering narrative experience. It follows a jaded male porn star (Srdjan Todorovic) whose need to find more energizing work leads to his involvement with a bizarre artistic venture that has him engage in on-camera sexual acts involving violence and young children. When he starts having second thoughts about participating, the demented porn director drugs his hesitant star and forces him to perform acts that define the term “unspeakable.”

“A Serbian Film” throws around terms and phrases like “newborn porn” and “the unique magic of rigor mortis,” in addition including scenes of involuntary incest. Nevertheless, the biggest shocks of the experience come from the fact that it looks like a relatively expensive production, moves along at a competent pace and includes solid performances, indicating the filmmakers’ serious intentions lurking beneath the surface.

After the movie ended, an awkward silence filled the room. Screenwriter Srdjan Spasojevic fielded questions during a Q&A, framing the movie as an angry reaction to the country’s rampant censorship laws. “This is a diary of our own molestation by the Serbian government,” he said. “We’re giving this back to you.” He pointed out that the movie, which has yet to play in its native country, reflects a hidden anti-government sentiment. “In the past 10 to 15 years, the only films made in Serbia have no connection to Serbian reality,” he said.

After the screening, some audience members wondered if Spasojevic’s dour tone was actually a ruse — that the filmmakers didn’t take the material all that seriously and the movie was simply intended as exploitation for its own sake. But Spasojevic argued that the radically unsettling rape-murder motif had a pointed intent. “It’s about the monolithic power of leaders who hypnotize you to do things you don’t want to do,” said Spasojevic. “You have to feel the violence to know what it’s about.”

glumica

a ko je glumica impresivne pozadine - ova sa slike?
markonio92 markonio92 01:26 11.04.2010

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Ana WithAFamilyNameTooHardToPron
a ko je glumica impresivne pozadine - ova sa slike?

Koliko se ja razumem u pozadine, mislim da je Žutićka.

Re: glumica

kakav poznavalac! :)
Bonner Bonner 10:55 11.04.2010

Ko koga i kako kritikuje???


“…involvement with a bizarre artistic venture that has him engage in on-camera sexual acts involving violence and young children.

Pardon my language, but in Serbia, you are f**ked from birth, you are f**ked until you die, and then, no doubt, you will be f**ked some more. That's the simple truth of this movie, and until you live it, you don't realize just how jet black a view of life that really is.”



Dakle Srdjane, polako dolazimo i do onoga o čemu smo nagadjali na tvojim prošlim blogovima o filmu i zašto baš "Srpski film".

I izgleda mi da sam imao tačan predosećaj kakav će utisak film da izazove. Poenta je znači da će film, kod prosečno i ispodprosečno inteligentnog gledaoca, ostaviti utisak da u Srbiji tucaju decu više nego bilo gde drugde, da su Srbi uopšte brutalniji nego ostatak čovečanstva, slika koja je o Srbiji i Srbima poslednju deceniju stvorena u svetu je znači savršeno ispravna. I to baš u vreme evropske diskusije (koje li po redu a svi se ponašaju kao da je prva!) o skoro masovnom seksualnom i fizičkom maltretiranju dece u internatima katoličke Crkve u poslednjih 4-5 decenija.

Slično kao što je i Borat kod prosečnog gledaoca ostavio samo predrasude o Kazahstanu a pokoji antisemitski raspoloženi američki čika je brzo zaboravljen, on je bio onako usput kao "minimal collateral damage".

Da li je to zaista tako? Već duže ne živim u Srbiji, poredeći period u kom sam živeo u Srbiji baš i ne vidim silne razlike u odnosu na sredinu u kojoj sam sada.


“In the past 10 to 15 years, the only films made in Serbia have no connection to Serbian reality,” he said.”


I ovo je zaista tačno???


“… the movie as an angry reaction to the country’s rampant censorship laws. “This is a diary of our own molestation by the Serbian government,” he said. “We’re giving this back to you.” He pointed out that the movie, which has yet to play in its native country, reflects a hidden anti-government sentiment.”


Smejurija!!!

Ovde zaista nisam razumeo, da li se on to sa njima šali i ruga im se a oni to zaista ne prepoznaju??? Ili on to ozbiljno misli i oni to samo onako prenose “u originalu” što bi se reklo.

“Serbias rampant cesorship laws” su ustvari savremeni evropski zakoni!!!

I koja je onda poenta filma na kraju svih krajeva???

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 11:10 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Srpski film nije dokumentarni film, nego igrani.
Bonner Bonner 11:26 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Srđan Mitrović
Srpski film nije dokumentarni film, nego igrani.


Hoces da kazes:

“In the past 10 to 15 years, the only films made in Serbia have no connection to Serbian reality,” he said.”

Pa su autori odlucili da to promene, iako u "prenesenom umetnickom" smislu, al' sta zna prosecni gledalac sta je autor izmedju redova hteo da kaze?! A film ce se sigurno gledati, pre svega piratski a ti sto ce ga tako da gledaju nece biti zapanjeni i zgadjeni, vecina ce pre da onanise gledajuci ga! Poneki ce verovatno i da svrati do te cudesne Srbije u kojoj nije neobicno da sam kresnes i sopstveno dete pa sto ga onda ne ponuditi i znatizeljnom turisti zeljnom malo "provoda"!


Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 11:30 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

činejnica je da srpski filmovi nemaju dodira sa onim što nas okružuje.
mislim da previše bukvalno shvataš film.
Bonner Bonner 11:40 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Srđan Mitrović
činejnica je da srpski filmovi nemaju dodira sa onim što nas okružuje.mislim da previše bukvalno shvataš film.


Hoces da kazes "Srpski film" nema dodira sa onim sto nas okruzuje!

Srđan Mitrović

mislim da previše bukvalno shvataš film.


Ne ja zasigurno ne. Ali ti govorim o tome kako ce film da bude interpretiran kod dela, verovatno veceg dela publike koja ga bude odgledala.

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 11:57 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Ne ja zasigurno ne. Ali ti govorim o tome kako ce film da bude interpretiran kod dela, verovatno veceg dela publike koja ga bude odgledala.

blago tebi kad znaš šta će svi da misle. da li to znači da svi misle da dinosaurusi još šetaju zemljom?
Hoces da kazes "Srpski film" nema dodira sa onim sto nas okruzuje!

što se Srpskog filma tiče , ima mnogo više dodira nego recimo Sveti Georije, Ognjenka..
Bonner Bonner 12:18 11.04.2010

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Srđan Mitrović

blago tebi kad znaš šta će svi da misle.


...kod dela, verovatno veceg dela publike...

Veci deo publike nisu svi Srdjane, zar ne?

Sta cu, javlja mi se!

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 15:52 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Veci deo publike nisu svi Srdjane, zar ne?

svi ili većina, ne menja suštinu. divno je što si vidovit, zar ne. vreme je da dobiješ tv emisiju !živi piplmetar!
Igor_Jaramaz Igor_Jaramaz 16:41 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Dakle Srdjane, polako dolazimo i do onoga o čemu smo nagadjali na tvojim prošlim blogovima o filmu i zašto baš "Srpski film".

I koja je onda poenta filma na kraju svih krajeva???


Поента је увек иста, да наша тзв. филмска тзв. индустрија (част изузецима али их баш нешто нема) превазилази себе. Што горе то боље, беда, насиље, секс и наравно уздизање себе у ранг политичке жртве чега је врхунац лицемерна констатација произвођача овог порно-Хостела констатација да је филм критичан према Влади па га зато цензуришу а не због тога што садржи огавне сцене педофилије, (симулакрум) силовања, насиља итд.

Толико о брендирању нације, не треба нико нас да оцрни кад то можемо најбоље сами.
Bili Piton Bili Piton 18:06 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Igor_Jaramaz
Dakle Srdjane, polako dolazimo i do onoga o čemu smo nagadjali na tvojim prošlim blogovima o filmu i zašto baš "Srpski film".

I koja je onda poenta filma na kraju svih krajeva???


Поента је увек иста, да наша тзв. филмска тзв. индустрија (част изузецима али их баш нешто нема) превазилази себе. Што горе то боље, беда, насиље, секс и наравно уздизање себе у ранг политичке жртве чега је врхунац лицемерна констатација произвођача овог порно-Хостела констатација да је филм критичан према Влади па га зато цензуришу а не због тога што садржи огавне сцене педофилије, (симулакрум) силовања, насиља итд.

Толико о брендирању нације, не треба нико нас да оцрни кад то можемо најбоље сами.


Ingrid, it's only a movie!


(Sir Alfred Hitchcock)
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 19:35 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Толико о брендирању нације, не треба нико нас да оцрни кад то можемо најбоље сами.

pa ovaj film nije naručila turistika organizacija srbije pa da predstavlja srbiju.
šta bi onda trebal da kažemo o americi sudeći po svim onim slilnim horor filmovima. a tek o japanu, koreji, filipinima...
Igor_Jaramaz Igor_Jaramaz 20:00 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

То што кажеш/те, играла се богата деца кинематографије.

Једино не капирам јесу ли ти/вам понудили проценат за неуморни труд?
Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 20:05 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Једино не капирам јесу ли ти/вам понудили проценат за неуморни труд?

ne kapiraš ti mnogo toga. da ti nisi neka "oštećena strana" pa se toliko boriš protiv filma kojeg nisi ni gledao? da tebe neko ne plaća?
a verovatno više voliš darka bajića.
Bonner Bonner 20:30 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Srđan Mitrović
pa ovaj film nije naručila turistika organizacija srbije pa da predstavlja srbiju.


Pa sto ga onda nazvase "Srpski film"???

Srđan Mitrović

... sudeći po svim onim silnim horor filmovima...


Ah da mislis na "Americki film", "Japanski film", "Filipinski film", te horore nisam odgledao...

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 20:37 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Pa sto ga onda nazvase "Srpski film"???

jel to negde zakonom zabranjeno?
a da li si gledao recimo "američku lepotu"?
Bonner Bonner 20:50 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Srđan Mitrović
Pa sto ga onda nazvase "Srpski film"???
jel to negde zakonom zabranjeno?a da li si gledao recimo "američku lepotu"?


Naravno da nije zabranjeno zakonom.

"Americka lepota" je dobio naziv po imenu jedne vrste ruze i samim time ima veze i sa celom temom filma.

E sad u cemu je to slucaj sa "Srpskim filmom"??? Mozda zato sto "in Serbia, you are f**ked from birth, you are f**ked until you die, and then, no doubt, you will be f**ked some more."???

Srđan Mitrović Srđan Mitrović 20:55 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

"Americka lepota" je dobio naziv po imenu jedne vrste ruze i samim time ima veze i sa celom temom filma.

tako i "Srpski film" ima veze sa temom filma. U čemu je problem?
Bonner Bonner 21:13 11.04.2010

Re: Ko koga i kako kritikuje???

Srđan Mitrović
tako i "Srpski film" ima veze sa temom filma. U čemu je problem?


Problem je u tome sto i ima veze, pa onda nema, pa nije dokumentarac, pa ne bukvalno, pa to je samo film, pa kakve veze ima... Jednom recju okruglo pa na cose Srdjane, i pravo da ti kazem umoran sam da ovako dalje diskutujem...potpuno je besmisleno.

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