Benazir Bhutto, State Assassination?

Jasmina Tesanovic RSS / 29.12.2007. u 15:48

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3f6_1198777011

Ovde u Italiji, bez obzira na praznike, ceo dane se vrte vesti o ubistvu Benazir Buto. I slike raznih blogera sa lica mesta...

http://blog.b92.net/text/1785/Jedan%20zivot%20-%20Benazir%20Buto/ 

Evo pisma mog druga pakistanskog pisca iz Skotske Suhayl Saadi-a i saopstenja ZUC-a

Suhayl Saadi wrote:

Here are some of my current thoughts on the matter. There is no point

me attempting to pen even a watered-down, oblique version of this

analysis for the UK, or even the Scottish, Press, as I appear to have

been blacklisted (or perhaps that should be, extremely

 dark-grey-listed) 

over here, at least as far as any political comment is

concerned. It seems that I am permitted only to write/ talk about

 purely cultural and

literary matters within the contect of a box marked, 'minority ethnic

groups, sub-section, South Asian, subsection, Pakoras, Samosas and

 other assorted Eastern Delights'.  

I cannot even get a short letter on this (Bhutto's murder) or on any

 other political subject published in any of

the mainstream 'papers. So these ruminations come from beyond the pale

 of

 permissible

'publishable' discourse at least as far as concerns those outside of

 elite and favoured groupings

in the UK (and that is a critique, too which it is not possible to

 state openly unless one is part of the elite; this performance of politesse

 renders the

 impression of free speech). In spite of appearances, politically I

 have become samizdat. Okay, enough on that. Off we go:

 

1) It is becoming clear that this was a State assassination with a

 classic (and utterly shameless)

cover-up, the dissemination of disinformation, etc. It must be the

 first time in the history of the modern world that a post-mortem has not

 been carried out after a murder. And the crime-scene hosed down. Even the

 most incompetant detective would laugh

 at such measures. Gil Grissom from CSI would have a heart attack.

 

2) I think Musharraf did it in order to continue to appear

 indispensible

 to the USA. Otherwise, the USA might

have backed Bhutto as his replacement - which was implicit in their

 sending her back to Pakistan in the first place - with

 the 'power-sharing deal' having failed to materialise, they were

 backing

 both horses (Nawaz Sharif-of-the-crocodile-tears and his cohorts are

 theirs, too,

 of course, as well as - like Saint Anthony Blair, OBE, BAE - being the

 Saudis' great chum) and even in a rigged election, the outcome might

 not have

 been as absolute as Mush would have wanted. And what would have

 happened to the

 Big Mush then, if he had had to cede at least the facade of power (we

 know that no Pakistani leader has real

 power and that they are just puppets of the USA)? No longer Head of

 the

 Army, just a politician like the rest of them, he would have become

 instantly dispensible and therefore exposed and would be assassinated

 by some

 'lone nut'.

Perhaps Bhutto (miracles are possible, though unlikely, and it would've

 taken seven magic mushrooms and a quart of absinthe - but then

 Pakistan is the World Leader in the processing and export of diamorphine - to

 have produced such an outcome) might have

 reinstated some of the illegally-deposed judges in order to buttress

 her power-base against ex-General Mushy. Now the USA will make do with

 the Little Prezzy - unless the law and order situation deteriorates (it

 should

 deteriorate enough to justify the imposition of Martial Law but not to

 the extent that it looks as though he is losing control) to the extent

 that it generates the development of a perceived

 threat to their interests in which case they will have him

 assassinated in a 'plane crash (does this bring back memories?) and

 appoint General Kiani (new Head of the Army) or some other Tom, Dick

 (well, I know they are all dicks but you know what I mean) or Harry as

 the new president in a state of Martial Law. Watch this space. I've

 warned people about John Negroponte before. Check out his history on the

 web.

 He screwed-up most of Central America in the 1980s and more recently,

 Iraq, too. He is the death-squad man and now he is the Colonial

 Resident running Pakistan. Many people

 in Pakistan (not just supporters of Bhutto) are extremely angry. But

 the Army will crush all

 dissent and will generate some of its own dissent against the

 dissenters (as you know, it controls and/ or is in alliance with

 several political

 parties and their gangster hoodlums). How convenient that

 all assassins are now suicide-bombers. It must be in the job

 description.

 No need for a Jack Ruby then, eh.

 

3) As with most other political assasinations, we will probably never

 know for certain who ordered and who organised this one. However, along

 with many others, I suspect those factions of the ISI

(Inter-Services Intelligence) who are the progenitors of the

Frankenstein's monsters of the Islamists (Mujaheddin, Taliban, etc., ad

nauseam). The actual act appears to have been committed by a skilled

marksman who was also obviously a fanatic and who was permitted by the

security services to access a place of proximity to the vehicle. The

USA has certainly assassinated many political leaders and activists

throughout the world and there is a normative amorality which governs

the actions of all states. However, this does not mean that every

assassination everywhere has been committed by the USA or its stooges.

I am aware of the USA's role in creating militant Sunni Islam as a key

military-political force during the 1980s and early 1990s (via the ISI,

aka 'Rent-an-Assassin' aka 'A Poor Man's Mossad', whose US-directed

tentacles spread even unto the marches of Chechnya) and of course as an

American stooge (as almost every Pakistani Prime Minister/ President

has been), Benazir Bhutto herself supported the Taliban's rise to power

in Afghanistan. There are various factions within the ISI (and within

the Army itself). Pakistan is a country ruled by another country (the

USA) but the local secret police is the ISI, just as in the Shah's time

in Iran there was SAVAK. And of course, regardless of the regime, these

people never become redundant, there is always, it seems, plenty of

work for torturers. Within this general paradigm (admittedly

considerably simplified), as in Afghanistan, alliances shift, mutate

and sometimes coalesce and I think that it was likely to have been

 

factions within the Pakistani State - indeed, it seems likely the

 ruling cadres of the State itself - 

which ordered and organised her assassination as a 'wet operation' to

 be

carried out by one or other of the myriad Jihadist groups which

germinate in that country and which are in intimate relation to these

elements of the Hard State which creates them. She had become closely

identified with the USA and with a (currently) anti-Islamist position,

 she and her

family (this is a feudal capitalist society) were hated by certain

factions (including those very powerful elites who were of General

Zia-ul-Haq's cadre, which include the ISI factions mentioned earlier)

and she was a woman and whatever her faults (and they were many), on a

very visceral level none of those bastards can stand a woman telling

them what to do. A woman Government Minister was assassinated through a

not dissimilar lapse in security a few months ago and another, forced

to resign on a ludicrous pretext. 

 

4) If the USA are involved in some kind of long-game scenario then it

 seems

likely that it would be as a means of positioning either Musharraf or

another Army general as a 'saviour' of the nation. They willingness of

 the 

UK and US governments to accept the official Pakistan Govt version of

 the killing suggests complicity at some level, though this may partly be

 them closing ranks behind their chosen, well-polished chess-piece,

 Musharraf. I am resistant to easy, knee-jerk responses. These things are

 often complex and multifactorial. But then, in days of rage ("you don't

 need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"), I've often

 thought that perhaps one of the USA's agendas is simply to foster situations

 of maximum chaos and militarisation combined with economic

 asset-stripping, throughout what the US state apparatus calls, the 'Greater Middle

 East'

in order to seize control of resources and weaken rival economic blocs

(esp. the feared China-India-Russia nexus) and thereby to reinforce its

 own

hegemony. It's what empires do. And of course, the USA has often killed

or deposed its own stooges (including General Zia-ul-Haq) many times

through history and manipulated extremist groupings in various ways

advantageous to the long-term objectives of its military-industrial

complex, i.e. its corporate economy which absolutely requires ongoing

 and unending

war in distant places (about which we know lots). Sometimes bits of

 shrapnel from these wars fly home 

(e.g. 9/11, 7/7 et al, ad infinitum) and that, too is good only for the

 security state, as in C19th Palmerstonian fashion, while extoling

 human rights in the states of sometime enemies (ignoring the same things in

 the states useful as allies) our own dear governments can engender a

 strategy of tension and thence manufacture consent (I'm sorry, I

 couldn't resist stealing that phrase from Chomsky and Hermann) for draconian

 measures, including the tightening of  legislation against legitimate,

 peaceful dissent at home. 

 

These are merely my current rambling hypotheses and of course they may

 be

 completely wrong. Maybe Bhutto just swooned because it was a cold,

 Rawalpindi evening (ah, those days of the maidan, the 'Pindi jail and the

 jasmine breeze!) and struck her head on the lever of the sunroof so

 hard that it produced entry and exit wounds in her chest as well as in her

 head and neck and perhaps there was and is no gun, no gunman, no bomb,

 no bullet (magic or otherwise), no dead bodies, no judges in jail, no

 evil at all in the Land of the Pure. Perhaps Pakistan itself is a

 dream. Or perhaps Pakistan is Narnia, where the Goodies fight the Baddies

 and elves and hobbits dance around camp-fires, singing sweet naaths into

 the freezing night. The words of the Intelligence Brigadier-General

 (why are there so many brigadiers in Pakistan and so few Little

 Corporals?) at the press conference yesterday, in true comedic, oxymoronic

 flight: "Gentlemen, trust your own intelligence services", were indeed like

 something the Mad Hatter might say to the

 March Hare in Wonderland, Through The Looking-Glass, or should I say,

 through the bloodied Sunroof. Cup of tea, anyone? 

 

 

Suhayl 

 

 

 

 

POVODOM UBISTVA BENAZIR BUTO - APEL DEMOKRATSKOJ JAVNOSTI


Prekjuče je u Pakistanu mučki ubijena Benazir Buto na jednom javnom, političkom, demokratskom skupu. Gospođa Buto je bila inspiracija mnogima, jer je uprkos teroru i verskim fundamentalizmima bila jedna od retkih žena u tom svetu koja je na javnom prostoru svedočila da je biti moćna, progresivna, harizmatična žena i u takvom svetu-moguće.

Umesto In memoriam, recimo DOSTA totalitarnim režimima i mračnjačkim ideologijama u svetu kao i svima koji ih javno ili tajno pomažu, jer njihove krvave ruke prete svim progresivnim ženama koje su prisutne u javnom i političkom životu našeg vremena!

Zaustavimo sledeće egzekucije žena na javnoj i političkoj sceni!

Stop teroru i nasilju nad ženama!


U Beogradu, 29.decembar 2007.

Žene u crnom, Beograd
Mreža Žena u crnom Srbije
Komitet pravnika za ljudska prava, Beograd

 



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Jasmina Tesanovic Jasmina Tesanovic 16:18 29.12.2007

pokusavam da embed ovaj video

kod mene se vidi kad idem na edit ali se ne pojavljuje na blogu
angie angie 16:27 29.12.2007

Re: pokusavam da embed ovaj video

pa ovde ne radi sistem po embed, nego kopirash link iz adrese, pa pritisnesh ikonicu sa youtube tu kod komentara, pa pestujesh link, pa onda kad kliknesh na pregledaj treba da ti izadje klip.
Jasmina Tesanovic Jasmina Tesanovic 16:29 29.12.2007

Re: pokusavam da embed ovaj video

ali nije you tube vec liveleak
pokusala sam sa you tube, ne ide ni tako
angie angie 16:31 29.12.2007

Re: pokusavam da embed ovaj video

pa onda da postavish kao link.
Jasmina Tesanovic Jasmina Tesanovic 16:33 29.12.2007

Re: pokusavam da embed ovaj video

moracu, ali mi je bezveze
ono bi bilo bolje plus nije mi jasno zasto se vidi kod mene a na na blogu b92
cyvan cyvan 16:54 29.12.2007

tužno

Nisam do kraja upućen u prilike u Pakistanu, čitao sam čak da je Karla del Ponte svojevremeno vodila neku istragu protiv BB zbog navodne korupcije, ili tako nešto.
Ipak, siguran sam da je ovde isti slučaj kao i u Srbiji, jedino što je brutalnost multiplikovana za red veličina.
To je borba konzervatinog društva protiv modernizacije.
Kao kada se pojedinac opire ličnom razvoju, tako se i društvo opire modernizaciji. Eto koliko brutalan taj otpor može biti !
Odmah sam se setio Zorana!

Posle prethodnog napada u kojem je ubijeno 140 ljudi, bilo je očigledno da je samo pitanje dana kada će je stići. Ipak, ona je neustrašivo nastavila kampanju. Ludost ili beskrajna hrabrost.
Jasmina Tesanovic Jasmina Tesanovic 16:59 29.12.2007

Jeste

kao da su svi ocekivali da ce stradati...
ja sam gledajuci sve ove blogerske filmice dosla da zakljucka da kao i kod zorana ipak nekako nema obezbedjenje koje bi trebalo da ima znajuci da joj prete sve vreme
naprotiv
AlexDunja AlexDunja 19:23 29.12.2007

Re: Jeste

meni zao. bas,bas.
i nje, i tih ljudi. a tek njihova buducnost.
i nasa, celog ovog sveta, mislim.
aion aion 19:56 29.12.2007

the see of possibilities

da li bi vas smirila mogucnost da je atentat u stvarnosti insceniran od strane same Bhuto, bog da joj dusu prosti?
nsarski nsarski 20:08 29.12.2007

Re: the see of possibilities

aion
da li bi vas smirila mogucnost da je atentat u stvarnosti insceniran od strane same Bhuto, bog da joj dusu prosti?

To bi bio priiiilicno glup politicki potez. Ono "naljutio se cobanin na selo..."
Medjutim, ovo pismo koje je Yas prilozila treba pazljivo procitati. Veoma dobra analiza situacije od strane nekoga kome su stvari prilicno jasne. Musova vlada se upinje iz sve snage da pokaze kako su Talibani (Al Kaida) krivi - njima to super odgovara, Ameri vec pricaju da je Mush postao TINA (There Is No Alternative, kao S.M. bozemeprosti), a to je Mushu simfonija za ushi. Promovisu pomalo i Generala Kiania (americki kadar, obucavao se u Kanzasu), da se nadje. Ovo su interesantna vremena.

Preporuka zbog pisma.

P.S. Ovaj slogan
Stop teroru i nasilju nad zenama!
je neadekvatan za ovu situaciju. Oni su B.B. ubili ne zato sto je zensko, vec zato sto ih politicki ugrozava.
aion aion 20:20 29.12.2007

Re: the see of possibilities

naravno- samo sam hteo da umirim zene.
i al qaida i musharafova vlada imali su interesa u odstranjivanju BB- uskoro su izbori: tako, vrlo je moguce da su se udruzili.
sutra ce sin BB procitati njen politicki testament. onda ce neke stvari biti jasnije.
angie angie 20:39 29.12.2007

pa

ja vec rekla, vishe osecam bes shto je to dozvolila, shto su to dozvolili oni koji su zaduzani za obezabedjenje visoko rizichnih targeta, shto je ona svakako bila, kao i nash premijer- mislim tu nema ona shta da eksperimentishe i oslanja se na neprovereno, pa i onaj pap ide samo u blindiranim kolima, a ona u sred one rulje divljaka, mashe stojeci u otvorenom automobilu u vreme kada joj prete ubistvom.
Bes- eto, samo to.

a ne vidim ni da je ceo sluchaj specijalno obelezen time shto je ona zena politichar u muslimanskom svetu- vishe zbog toga shto ugrozava interese mocnih i da je mushko isto bi bilo.

A shto se samog Pakistana tiche, to sve shto sam videla na dokumentarnim programima i upoznala ih ovde- pa taj primitivizam i lobotomija treba prvo organizovano da se podignu na nivo vishi od te neverovatne strahote koja tamo vlada, da bi se moglo govoriti na svesnom nivou.

Brooklyn Brooklyn 20:43 29.12.2007

Re: pa

sto je dozvolila? pa nije mogla da odoli tako dobroj prilici da se promovise.
Torpedo Torpedo 21:05 29.12.2007

Opet

promasena tema, kao po obicaju kad su Teorije zavere na blogu b92 u opticaju.

Dakle, Al Kaida je prezuela odgovornost za ubistvo BB.

KARACHI - ”We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat mujahideen.” These were the words of al-Qaeda’s top commander for Afghanistan operations and spokesperson Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, immediately after the attack that claimed the life of Pakistani politician Benazir Bhutto on Thursday (December 27).


Gotova prica.
nsarski nsarski 21:34 29.12.2007

Re: Opet

Gotova prica.

E, pa, sad kad pise tako, onda nema sta da razmisljamo. Sve je jasno.
Torpedo Torpedo 02:30 30.12.2007

Re: Opet

Gotova prica.


Izgleda da nije ipak... sad se javio neki drugi vodja (Baitllah Mehsud) Al Kaide koji to demantuje, kao nije u plemenskom duhu Al Kaide da ubijaju zene. Samo se pitam sto 11.09.2001. to isto pravilo nisu postovali... U svakom slucaju tamo sad lud zbunjenoga...
vlada dvm vlada dvm 22:01 30.12.2007

Re: Opet

Torpedo
promasena tema, kao po obicaju kad su Teorije zavere na blogu b92 u opticaju.Dakle, Al Kaida je prezuela odgovornost za ubistvo BB.
KARACHI - ”We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat mujahideen.” These were the words of al-Qaeda’s top commander for Afghanistan operations and spokesperson Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, immediately after the attack that claimed the life of Pakistani politician Benazir Bhutto on Thursday (December 27).Gotova prica.


Ako cemo da se uvlachimo u teoriju zavera, koje i nisu samo teorije, pitanje je ko stoji iza Al kaide? Pa Musharaf je americhki chovek, zar ne?! Zashto onda Al kaida nije ubila njega?!
skyspoter skyspoter 22:04 29.12.2007

malo je ;udna

teorija koje se trenutno provla;i na BBC world a servirana je od strane vlade predsednika musharafa: BB je umrla od posledica polomljenog vrata kada se vracala u kola kroz top window a ne od hitaca iz pištolja.
Ovo po mom misljenju pokazje vezu izmedju musharfa i al kaide. Musharaf je patetican klovn koji žonglira izmedju USA i al kaide a sve zarad foteljice. Odrekao se i toliko voljene uniforme.

Kako sve to izgleda poznato.

Aleksandar Stosic Aleksandar Stosic 23:27 29.12.2007

fundamentalizam

jedna politicka figura - koja se zalaze pre svega za sve ono sto nije funadmentalizam - tesko da je mogla da opstane na tako uzarenom politickom polju kakav je danas Pakistan. I ne samo Pakistan, gotovo sve muslimanske zemlje su pod strahovitom pretnjom verskog fundamentalizma finansiranog milijardama od Al Kaide. Jedan nas politicki analiticar reche da je njen sluchaj zapravo josh jedna o hronici najavljene smrti. Bilo je to neizbezno, to suprostaviti se fundamentalizmu a ne ocekivati njihovu reakciju... danas je svako ko se konfrontira takvoj intepretacije islama izdajnik, a "izdajnici" moraju biti eliminisani.
Mnogo ce vode proteci dok se situacija u musilmanskim zemljama ne smiri.
tuzlanac tuzlanac 09:35 30.12.2007

Re: fundamentalizam

Aleksandar Stosic
jedna politicka figura - koja se zalaze pre svega za sve ono sto nije funadmentalizam - tesko da je mogla da opstane na tako uzarenom politickom polju kakav je danas Pakistan. I ne samo Pakistan, gotovo sve muslimanske zemlje su pod strahovitom pretnjom verskog fundamentalizma finansiranog milijardama od Al Kaide. Jedan nas politicki analiticar reche da je njen sluchaj zapravo josh jedna o hronici najavljene smrti. Bilo je to neizbezno, to suprostaviti se fundamentalizmu a ne ocekivati njihovu reakciju... danas je svako ko se konfrontira takvoj intepretacije islama izdajnik, a "izdajnici" moraju biti eliminisani.
Mnogo ce vode proteci dok se situacija u musilmanskim zemljama ne smiri.



prenesi sve sto si rekao na srpske prilike:
pravoslavni fundamentalizam financiran milijardama ruskog pravoslavnog fundamentalizma;
hronika djindjiceve najavljene smrti, sto je bilo neizbjezno i bez istinske reakcije suprotstavljanju pravoslavnom fundamentalizmu. danas je svako ko se konfrontira takvoj srbiji izdajnik i mora biti eliminisan;
mnogo ce vode proteci dok se situacija u srbiji ne smiri.





lilit lilit 17:38 30.12.2007

Re: fundamentalizam

tuzlanac

Aleksandar Stosicjedna politicka figura - koja se zalaze pre svega za sve ono sto nije funadmentalizam - tesko da je mogla da opstane na tako uzarenom politickom polju kakav je danas Pakistan. I ne samo Pakistan, gotovo sve muslimanske zemlje su pod strahovitom pretnjom verskog fundamentalizma finansiranog milijardama od Al Kaide. Jedan nas politicki analiticar reche da je njen sluchaj zapravo josh jedna o hronici najavljene smrti. Bilo je to neizbezno, to suprostaviti se fundamentalizmu a ne ocekivati njihovu reakciju... danas je svako ko se konfrontira takvoj intepretacije islama izdajnik, a "izdajnici" moraju biti eliminisani.Mnogo ce vode proteci dok se situacija u musilmanskim zemljama ne smiri.prenesi sve sto si rekao na srpske prilike:pravoslavni fundamentalizam financiran milijardama ruskog pravoslavnog fundamentalizma;hronika djindjiceve najavljene smrti, sto je bilo neizbjezno i bez istinske reakcije suprotstavljanju pravoslavnom fundamentalizmu. danas je svako ko se konfrontira takvoj srbiji izdajnik i mora biti eliminisan;mnogo ce vode proteci dok se situacija u srbiji ne smiri.


Evo, ovde je i te kako primerena opaska ciscenja svog dvorista: ako si vec povukao paralelu izmedju Djindjica i Buto (na koju te je Tesanoviceva strucno navela a sa kojom se uopste ne slazem jer smatram da je Djindjic neuporediv sa Buto), zasto prvo nisi razmislio da li u svom dvoristu mozda mozes da pronadjes neku takvu slicnu figuru, pa onda sve ostalo rabote o finansiranju fundamentalista koje si pedantno naveo?
Ili si mozda vec razmislio, te posto takve figure u tvome dvoristancetu nema a ti onda dodje u nase...
Udji prijatelju, izvolte ako ti je tako lakse...
tuzlanac tuzlanac 20:50 30.12.2007

Re: fundamentalizam

lilit
tuzlanac

Aleksandar Stosicjedna politicka figura - koja se zalaze pre svega za sve ono sto nije funadmentalizam - tesko da je mogla da opstane na tako uzarenom politickom polju kakav je danas Pakistan. I ne samo Pakistan, gotovo sve muslimanske zemlje su pod strahovitom pretnjom verskog fundamentalizma finansiranog milijardama od Al Kaide. Jedan nas politicki analiticar reche da je njen sluchaj zapravo josh jedna o hronici najavljene smrti. Bilo je to neizbezno, to suprostaviti se fundamentalizmu a ne ocekivati njihovu reakciju... danas je svako ko se konfrontira takvoj intepretacije islama izdajnik, a "izdajnici" moraju biti eliminisani.Mnogo ce vode proteci dok se situacija u musilmanskim zemljama ne smiri.prenesi sve sto si rekao na srpske prilike:pravoslavni fundamentalizam financiran milijardama ruskog pravoslavnog fundamentalizma;hronika djindjiceve najavljene smrti, sto je bilo neizbjezno i bez istinske reakcije suprotstavljanju pravoslavnom fundamentalizmu. danas je svako ko se konfrontira takvoj srbiji izdajnik i mora biti eliminisan;mnogo ce vode proteci dok se situacija u srbiji ne smiri.


Evo, ovde je i te kako primerena opaska ciscenja svog dvorista: ako si vec povukao paralelu izmedju Djindjica i Buto (na koju te je Tesanoviceva strucno navela a sa kojom se uopste ne slazem jer smatram da je Djindjic neuporediv sa Buto), zasto prvo nisi razmislio da li u svom dvoristu mozda mozes da pronadjes neku takvu slicnu figuru, pa onda sve ostalo rabote o finansiranju fundamentalista koje si pedantno naveo?
Ili si mozda vec razmislio, te posto takve figure u tvome dvoristancetu nema a ti onda dodje u nase...
Udji prijatelju, izvolte ako ti je tako lakse...



ko je vasa meta: gospodja tesanovic ili moja malenkost?
asterix asterix 02:56 30.12.2007

Eto i njega ubishe

Buto je bio car, ubishe ga licumuri :))

Ma lepo, ajd, zao je meni to sve, ali s' druge strane shta se to nas tiche? Razumem da smo sredili nash stanchic, oprali prljav vesh, napunili frizider pa ajde i da pogledamo u tudju kucu mozda ljudima treba pomoc neka. Ovako samo se dekoncentrishemo i smetamo sa nasheg posla i situacije koja nije nishta manje tragichna od cunamija na Tajlandu. A njoj nek je laka zemlja(mada mislim da i Pakistance spaljuju ne pokopavaju).
oldtajmer oldtajmer 05:34 30.12.2007

Imam pitanje

Jasmina,

Da li je ovo pismo Suhayl Saadi-a, licno pismo tebi, i ako jeste da li imas dozvolu da ga javno objavis? Zanima me da li je on to napisao/objavio negde, i ako jeste, da li bih mogao dobiti link?
Jasmina Tesanovic Jasmina Tesanovic 12:47 31.12.2007

Oldtajmer, odgovor

Suhayl je poslao na mail svojim prijateljima ovo razmisljanje i imam njegovu dozvolu da to objavim, zahvalio mi se na podrsci, ne verujem da je negde objavljeno, i sam to kaze u pocetku pisma, bar ne za sada
Inace on je dosta objavljivan pisac u GB...pise na engleskom i zivi u Skotskoj...nagradjivan je i politicki je aktivan
oldtajmer oldtajmer 15:53 31.12.2007

Re: Oldtajmer, odgovor

Jasmina Tesanovic
Suhayl je poslao na mail svojim prijateljima ovo razmisljanje i imam njegovu dozvolu da to objavim, zahvalio mi se na podrsci, ne verujem da je negde objavljeno, i sam to kaze u pocetku pisma, bar ne za sada
Inace on je dosta objavljivan pisac u GB...pise na engleskom i zivi u Skotskoj...nagradjivan je i politicki je aktivan


Hvala, citao sam o njegovoj biografiji. Pitao sam te zato sto bih voleo da prosledim nekim prijateljima koji ne govore srpski, pa je malo glupo da posaljem link na tvoj blog jer se nece snaci. Mislio sam da je mozda on objavio na nekom blogu ili sl.
niki m niki m 15:21 30.12.2007

Protiv koga?


Nije mi jasno protiv koga protestuju zene u crnom i tkz. komitet. Kako stvari stoje Musaraf je na neki nacin odgovoran za ubistvo B Buto. Ili sto je nije dovoljno cuvao ili sto stoji direktno stoji iza ubistva. Tek da pomenemo i skandal oko tvrdnji da je poginula od udarca glavom u krov mada svedoci tvrde da je pogodjena metkom. Da podsetimo, Musaraf je americki pion, koga su amerikanci i doveli pucem na vlast, sa zadatakom da kontrolise Pakistan. Zene u crnom i Komitet pravnika (gordo zvuci ovo Komitet) takodje sluze americkim interesima promovisuci njihovu politiku u Srbiji. Nije moguce da protestujete protiv onih koje inace u svemu pordzavate?
WIMBLEDON WIMBLEDON 15:46 30.12.2007

То jе Пакистан, а ово jе Србиjа...

Ма, типично за госпођу Тешановић. Страшно jе погоде неке белосветске теме коjе „страшно много” утичу на збивања у Србиjи. Чисто залуђивање народа, а нарочито ме се „доjмило” оволико разглабање око тражњења мотива и наручилаца убиства. То се, господо, догодило у Пакистану! Они тако решаваjу своjе проблеме (нажалост) и шта се сад сви утрпавате у унутрашње ствари сувереног, независног, слободног Пакистана. Гледаjте своjа посла, у своjоj кући и брините шта ћемо и камо ћемо ми. А има ко ће да се побрине да цела ствар око Беназир Буто врло брзо буде стављена у архиву.
Маните се ћорава посла!
Brooklyn Brooklyn 16:24 30.12.2007

Re: То jе Пакистан, а ово jе Србиjа...

kao sto, na primer, wimbledon brine o svom poslu kad daje tesanovicki savete.
lilit lilit 17:25 30.12.2007

ili ti o nama...

Brooklyn
kao sto, na primer, wimbledon brine o svom poslu kad daje tesanovicki savete.


kada nam bespotrebno obrazlazes wimbledona...

Ja ovde, neverovatno je i meni samoj, moram da podrzim Tesanovicku u gnusanju nad ubistvom Benazir Buto.
Kakave sad pa to ima veze sa ciscenjem svoga dvorista, molim vas Wimbledon i sa situacijom u Srbiji? Ili pak treba da se zatvorimo, zazidamo, zapusimo usi i ne cujemo, ne vidimo i ne govorimo ni o cemu sto nas se direktno ne dotice? Dakle da postanemo autisticni vise non sto vec jesmo?

Ona je povukla paralelu izmedju nase situacije u proslosti ( ipak ne mislim da je Djindjic bio toliko izkompromitovan kao Buto, ne zaboravimo da je bila optuzena za korupciju, direktno je promovisana od strane US kao i Musharaf, dakle nije bas slicno) koja se meni naravno ne dopada niti vidim da nije dosledna u podrsci US ovim pismom, naprotiv (za nikija m). Kao sto je mozda povukla paralelu (u svojoj logici) i sa sadasnjom Srbijom, sa kojom se tek ne slazem.
Mislim da je, kao i obicno, neverovatna sposobnost Spisateljice manipulacijom. Koja se pak, golim okom ne vidi. Ali, eto, Nsarski je takodje nasao (slucajno, ubedjena sam, nije uoste vidljivo) tu asocijaciju.

Ona ne kaze zasto joj se divi, nema nikakve ozbiljne analize, sta je Buto uradila za vreme svoje vlade, koje su joj veze sa US, koju je politiku promovisala, nego samo da osudimo cin terora i nasilja nad zenama. Kao da je muz na smrt ubio (sto je naravno za osudu) pa sad mi da se gnusamo! Nije da nema (ne slazem se sa Nzarskim u tome) smisla sto je ona bila zena, i te kako ima u tako fundamentalistickim islamskim zajednicama, ali je to tako s brda s dola sroceno da je prosto uvredljivo i cak groteskno.
Gnusam se nad ubistvom Benazir Buto i samo u tome se slazem sa JT ali se takodje gnusam politike koju je vodila.
Laka joj zemlja.
WIMBLEDON WIMBLEDON 18:55 30.12.2007

Re: ili ti o nama...

Да поjасним: гнушам се и jа над убиством, било кога, наравно и госпође Буто. Не гнушам се политике коjу jе водила - то jе био њен проблем и проблем Пакистана. Ниjе у питању ни апел за аутизмом или самозатварањем. Не. Само ми се чини да госпођа Тешановић има много више слуха па и емоциjа за било шта што се догађа далеко од нас (и без било ккавог директног утицаjа на нас), а ми jоj дођемо као успутна тема коjе се, кад jоj се ћефне, овлаш дотакне, и то обавезно врло оштро и не баш добронамерно. Али, то jе њен став и jа га схватам, али не прихватам, нити ћу. И ни у jедном тренутку нисам позивао на чишћење у нашем дворишту, мада би било посла бар као у оним митским шталама, али све ми се чини да ми нисамо баш расположени да то ђубре у свом дворишту очистимо.
И узгред: да ли jе муж тукао Беназир Буто, такође jе (била) њена ствар. И бављење политиком jе такође био њен избор и била jе свесна шта може да jоj се деси.
А, живи били па видели, биће по народноj „сваког чуда за три дана доста”. Сурово, али тачно. И поновићу jош jедном, па ма како схватили: а збиља какве везе има Пакистан са Србиjом?
nsarski nsarski 19:45 30.12.2007

Re: ili ti o nama...

Evo sta o svemu kaze Robert Fisk, jedan od najbolje informisanih nezavisnih novinara o politici tog dela sveta:

Weird, isn’t it, how swiftly the narrative is laid down for us. Benazir Bhutto, the courageous leader of the Pakistan People’s Party, is assassinated in Rawalpindi - attached to the very capital of Islamabad wherein ex-General Pervez Musharraf lives - and we are told by George Bush that her murderers were “extremists” and “terrorists”. Well, you can’t dispute that.

But the implication of the Bush comment was that Islamists were behind the assassination. It was the Taliban madmen again, the al-Qa’ida spider who struck at this lone and brave woman who had dared to call for democracy in her country.

Of course, given the childish coverage of this appalling tragedy - and however corrupt Ms Bhutto may have
been, let us be under no illusions that this brave lady is indeed a true martyr - it’s not surprising that the “good-versus-evil” donkey can be trotted out to explain the carnage in Rawalpindi.

Who would have imagined, watching the BBC or CNN on Thursday, that her two brothers, Murtaza and Shahnawaz, hijacked a Pakistani airliner in 1981 and flew it to Kabul where Murtaza demanded the release of political prisoners in Pakistan. Here, a military officer on the plane was murdered. There were Americans aboard the flight - which is probably why the prisoners were indeed released.

Only a few days ago - in one of the most remarkable (but typically unrecognised) scoops of the year - Tariq Ali published a brilliant dissection of Pakistan (and Bhutto) corruption in the London Review of Books, focusing on Benazir and headlined: “Daughter of the West”. In fact, the article was on my desk to photocopy as its subject was being murdered in Rawalpindi.

Towards the end of this report, Tariq Ali dwelt at length on the subsequent murder of Murtaza Bhutto by police close to his home at a time when Benazir was prime minister - and at a time when Benazir was enraged at Murtaza for demanding a return to PPP values and for condemning Benazir’s appointment of her own husband as minister for industry, a highly lucrative post.

In a passage which may yet be applied to the aftermath of Benazir’s murder, the report continues: “The fatal bullet had been fired at close range. The trap had been carefully laid, but, as is the way in Pakistan, the crudeness of the operation - false entries in police log-books, lost evidence, witnesses arrested and intimidated - a policeman killed who they feared might talk - made it obvious that the decision to execute the prime minister’s brother had been taken at a very high level.”

When Murtaza’s 14-year-old daughter, Fatima, rang her aunt Benazir to ask why witnesses were being arrested - rather than her father’s killers - she says Benazir told her: “Look, you’re very young. You don’t understand things.” Or so Tariq Ali’s exposé would have us believe. Over all this, however, looms the shocking power of Pakistan’s ISI, the Inter Services Intelligence.

This vast institution - corrupt, venal and brutal - works for Musharraf.

But it also worked - and still works - for the Taliban. It also works for the Americans. In fact, it works for everybody. But it is the key which Musharraf can use to open talks with America’s enemies when he feels threatened or wants to put pressure on Afghanistan or wants to appease the ” extremists” and “terrorists” who so oppress George Bush. And let us remember, by the way, that Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter beheaded by his Islamist captors in Karachi, actually made his fatal appointment with his future murderers from an ISI commander’s office. Ahmed Rashid’s book Taliban provides riveting proof of the ISI’s web of corruption and violence. Read it, and all of the above makes more sense.

But back to the official narrative. George Bush announced on Thursday he was “looking forward” to talking to his old friend Musharraf. Of course, they would talk about Benazir. They certainly would not talk about the fact that Musharraf continues to protect his old acquaintance - a certain Mr Khan - who supplied all Pakistan’s nuclear secrets to Libya and Iran. No, let’s not bring that bit of the “axis of evil” into this.

So, of course, we were asked to concentrate once more on all those ” extremists” and “terrorists”, not on the logic of questioning which many Pakistanis were feeling their way through in the aftermath of Benazir’s assassination.

It doesn’t, after all, take much to comprehend that the hated elections looming over Musharraf would probably be postponed indefinitely if his principal political opponent happened to be liquidated before polling day.

So let’s run through this logic in the way that Inspector Ian Blair might have done in his policeman’s notebook before he became the top cop in London.

Question: Who forced Benazir Bhutto to stay in London and tried to prevent her return to Pakistan? Answer: General Musharraf.

Question: Who ordered the arrest of thousands of Benazir’s supporters this month? Answer: General Musharraf.

Question: Who placed Benazir under temporary house arrest this month? Answer: General Musharraf.

Question: Who declared martial law this month? Answer General Musharraf.

Question: who killed Benazir Bhutto?

Er. Yes. Well quite.

You see the problem? Yesterday, our television warriors informed us the PPP members shouting that Musharraf was a “murderer” were complaining he had not provided sufficient security for Benazir. Wrong. They were shouting this because they believe he killed her.
kojak kojak 12:25 01.01.2008

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