Opposing NATO

Chris Farmer RSS / 18.09.2007. u 08:19

 

What happens when we are ALL in?

I think that the Great Military Minds sitting in the hallowed halls of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in Brussels clearly owe a debt of gratitude to our illustrious Prime Minister for his steadfast refusal to sign up.

Kostunica, in telling the world that he is against Serbia’s joining NATO, is actually positing himself as a safeguard of the alliance’s continuity. If we were ALL members, then who would we oppose? Who would the alliance bully into submission? From whom would NATO protect us? If we were all members in this heretofore rather exclusive club, how could we be the envy of the rest of the world – if the rest of the world also carries the club card?

In other words, what is it the point of everyone driving a Mercedes when there are no Yugo owners in front of whom we could parade ourselves with big gloating smiles?

In an attempt to understand this vexing conundrum, I looked into the definition of military alliances. According to Wikipedia: 

“A military alliance is an agreement between two, or more, military factions; related to wartime planning, commitments, or contingencies; such agreements can be both defensive and offensive. Military alliances often involve non-military agreements, in addition to their primary purpose.” 

Ah!

It is therefore to be accepted that the very existence of such an alliance is symbiotic with and determined by the existence of an opposing force. In fact, the relationship is more than symbiotic: it is in fact mutual and reciprocal – one cannot be without the other. It is like Yin and Yang, lawn and lawn mower, sign and signifier, prey and predator.

When all is said and done, when the campaign is over and the NATO Sales Team has successfully pitched the Whole World, only one thing will endure which will give a purpose and establish any meaning for NATO. One man stands between existence and extinctions for the NATOcrats, NATOphiles, and NATOlogists.

Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister.    

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jinks jinks 08:30 18.09.2007

What

about the threat that a comet, or some other space junk could hit the Earth. There is, for example, a common denominator everybody have been searching for :). In every Hollywood blockbuster based on this fiction, Earth was protected by dozens of nuke missiles sent to intercept an incoming object of destruction, i.e. by some worldwide defense alliance.

P.S.

Sorry for trolling
Soylent Green Soylent Green 08:47 18.09.2007

NATO is not a social club ...

... but a military alliance.

NATO is US-dominated military alliance set against military forces of Russia, China and dozens of less relevant ones (none of which are joining any time soon).

To put it in really simple and understandable terms: NATO's primary function is to be credible threat against these in all scenarios, including localized and global wars, with or without use of nuclear weapons.

All other quoted purposes are cosmetic excuses (invasion of Martians, potential use against so-called terrorism, etc.)

So joining NATO is simply picking sides in the future war - obviously even Serbian politicians can understand this.

It will be interesting to see what importance will be given to the latest threats that Serbia may join Russian military alliance. Putin is liable to take on this offer as compensation for lost allies, or at least to use it as a bargaining device.

Serbia, as usual, gets nothing except prolonged tenure for politicians.

adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 09:16 18.09.2007

RE :Nato is not a social club...

I agree with every word you have written SG, with a couple of things I would like to point out additionally. As you have correctly noted those countries which NATO is supposed to be against wonćt be joining forces soon so It is not prudent to say the least to ally ourselves with the side which is both outnumbered and out gunned by this alliance. The countries which are members of the alliance participate overwhelmingly in the world's economy, so for a country which has such a frail economy as ours opposing it could be economic suicide. All of our neighboring countries are either members of the alliance or are well on their way to it, so we risk the position of a pro Russian island in a NATO sea. And finally the argument that our opposition to NATO is helpful to Serbia's diplomatic battle for the future status of Kosovo is a lie. It doesn't move Serbia an inch closer to the reintegration of Kosovo, but pushes Serbia miles away from the alliance and into a strategical hot spot.
Mungos Mungos 09:18 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

Why Serbia has to choose either side, at all? What if, i.e. Serbia remains as an Unallied country? Good military cooperation, only, with both(?) sides sounds pretty good to me, for a bunch of reasons.

Mongoose, The Unallied
jinks jinks 09:33 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

Why Serbia has to choose either side, at all? What if, i.e. Serbia remains as an Unallied country? Good military cooperation, only, with both(?) sides sounds pretty good to me, for a bunch of reasons.
If Serbia remained unallied durnig the II WW, god knows how many victims on our side would be avoided, and how majority of problems we have even today would not exist at all. If there was no March, 27th, 1941 (do you know that gen. Simic, one who overthrew the princ Pavle, after few days tried to renew the peace treaty with axes forces) ...
Mungos Mungos 09:42 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

I don't agree! Can you imagine how Serbia would 've been ran-over by the Allies, if it had remained in the Axis treaty? Anyway, It was heavily bombed in 1944 & 1945 as an Ally!

But, what happened later, after Tito had said historical "NO!" to Stallin?

Mungos, The Unallied
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 09:56 18.09.2007

RE :Nato is not a social club...

Oh Mungos the unallied, although I don't argue that the historic no of 48 was not a positive development, would it not have been an even more positive development that we had chosen to completely ally ourselves with NATO. A little reminder in 1953 Yugoslavia virtually became a NATO member through the defense treaty with Turkey and Greece only to step out of it a few years back. When a small ship tries to steer her way between two ocean liners it runs a heavy risk of eventually being crushed by any sudden change in their position.
jinks jinks 10:07 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

Mungos
I don't agree! Can you imagine how Serbia would 've been ran-over by the Allies, if it had remained in the Axis treaty? Anyway, It was heavily bombed in 1944 & 1945 as an Ally!But, what happened later, after Tito had said historical "NO!" to Stallin?

What about Bulgaria and Romania, regarding the II WW not NATO. They did not have their clever Tito, suffered behind the iron curtain for a while ... but are now full members of EU. Bulgaria and Romania did not have Tito, so they could freely solve their national minority problems ...
Mungos Mungos 10:13 18.09.2007

RE :Nato is not a social club...

Oh Mungos the unallied, although I don't argue that the historic no of 48 was not a positive development, would it not have been an even more positive development that we had chosen to completely ally ourselves with NATO. A little reminder in 1953 Yugoslavia virtually became a NATO member through the defense treaty with Turkey and Greece only to step out of it a few years back. When a small ship tries to steer her way between two ocean liners it runs a heavy risk of eventually being crushed by any sudden change in their position.


No! We were doing much better as a leader of the Unallied Countries Movement. Otherwise, we would 've never helped that much liberation of the colonies in Africa and Asia... At least. There are some other related figures, but I wouldn't like to discuss, now.

Mongoose, The Unallied 'til Death

"Between sword and shield, I would always choose - shield!"
Mungos Mungos 10:21 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

What about Bulgaria and Romania, regarding the II WW not NATO. They did not have their clever Tito, suffered behind the iron curtain for a while ... but are now full members of EU. Bulgaria and Romania did not have Tito, so they could freely solve their national minority problems ...


1. They had suffered a lot of casualties, fighting on the Axis side
2. They suffered latter, being handed over to the Soviet Union, T. Zivkov and N.Chaushescu
3. They STILL have a bad reputation because of their involvement w/ Axis.
4. They are (full) mebers of EU because they are needed as such.:)) (So-called "disposable ally"

Mongoose, The Unallied
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 10:24 18.09.2007

Re: RE :Nato is not a social club...

Mungos
Oh Mungos the unallied, although I don't argue that the historic no of 48 was not a positive development, would it not have been an even more positive development that we had chosen to completely ally ourselves with NATO. A little reminder in 1953 Yugoslavia virtually became a NATO member through the defense treaty with Turkey and Greece only to step out of it a few years back. When a small ship tries to steer her way between two ocean liners it runs a heavy risk of eventually being crushed by any sudden change in their position.


No! We were doing much better as a leader of the Unallied Countries Movement. Otherwise, we would 've never helped that much liberation of the colonies in Africa and Asia... At least. There are some other related figures, but I wouldn't like to discuss, now.

Mongoose, The Unallied 'til Death

"Between sword and shield, I would always choose - shield!"

And when I look at the state most of these countries we were leading into a better future are in I cannot but marvel what a bang up job we did o))). Not to mention what happened here when the bubble burst, and the cold war ended.
jinks jinks 10:35 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

1. They had suffered a lot of casualties, fighting on the Axis side
2. They suffered latter, being handed over to the Soviet Union, T. Zivkov and N.Chaushescu
3. They STILL have a bad reputation because of their involvement w/ Axis.
4. They are (full) mebers of EU because they are needed as such.:)) (So-called "disposable ally"

1. Serbia and Serbians all around Balkan had suffered much more, fighting on god knows whose side.
2. Serbia had suffered later being stripped off any kind national and state policy ... put aside that the rouling policy of Yugoslavia was, in some matters opposed to the Serbia (i.e. albanians)
3. We also have a bad reputation, despite all of the victims Serbia has put on the oltar of the Great Allied victory in II WW
4....
Veljko B Uzicanin Veljko B Uzicanin 10:43 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

Mungos
Why Serbia has to choose either side, at all?

Why not ? Choosing a side means responsibility for the choice you have made, and that is exactly what Serbia lacks in its policy.
jinks jinks 10:52 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

Choosing a side means responsibility for the choice you have made

Agree ... but there is another one question that needs to be answered: "What is in it for us?", so that we could choose with a clear mind.

Or to chose sides, just because it has to be done without any further explanation. In that case .... we have been there allready (for example 27.3.1941)
Mungos Mungos 10:59 18.09.2007

Re: NATO is not a social club ...

All of you guys are very right, as well as myself.
Serbia MUST join NATO, although it is not in its interest and would probably pay very high price as much as would pay otherwise. But, who cares?! These are just small barbarian groups called Serbs, Albanians, Croatians...

Mungos, The Unallied
Domazet Domazet 19:39 18.09.2007

Male Djokice i njihove tuzne okice...

adam weisphaut
Oh Mungos the unallied, although I don't argue that the historic no of 48 was not a positive development, would it not have been an even more positive development that we had chosen to completely ally ourselves with NATO. A little reminder in 1953 Yugoslavia virtually became a NATO member through the defense treaty with Turkey and Greece only to step out of it a few years back. When a small ship tries to steer her way between two ocean liners it runs a heavy risk of eventually being crushed by any sudden change in their position.


Da je Jugoslavija resila da se ranih pedesetih (ili kasnih cetrdesetih) prosloga veka potpuno prikljuci NATOu desilo bi se, verovatno nekoliko stvarcica. Jedna medju njima bila bi ubrzano seljenje na jug ruskih tenkova stacioniranih u Madjarskoj.

Za sahovske pacere se kaze da su to oni igraci saha koji izive u ubedjenju da samo oni planiraju i samo oni imaju dobitnu strategiju. Ovaj forum potvrdjuje da ista definicija vazi za sve pacere, time and again...
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 20:09 18.09.2007

Re:ala ti je naslov!

E sad ako je Domi došao kreće ozbiljna diskusija.
Jugoslavija je de fakto bila članica NATO početkom pedesetih kroz sporazum sa Turskom i Grčkom samo se seti ogromne američke pomoči koju je primila u tom periodu (samo da spomenem među ostalim nekoika stotina borbenih aviona koji su dugi niz godina bila okosnica Jugo vazduhoplovstva) Pravi razlog za neulazak u NATO nije bio vojne nego ideološke prirode. Jednostavno kako je kom. država mogla da opravda ulazak u NATO, tako da je kriza iz 56 kada je Rusiji trebala, podrška JBT da bi sprečila da zapad pošalje pomoć madjarskim revolucionarima preko SFRJ zapravo omogučila početak politike klacklaice koja je naravno bila održiva samo onoliko koliko je i trajao h. rat.. To je bilo dobro za kom partiju,i delovalo je dugo kao idealna pozicija ali kao što možeš da primetiš na duge staze se pokazalo neodrživo i poplločalo put za katatrofu koja je sledila..
urbanosaurus urbanosaurus 16:45 19.09.2007

Re: Re:ala ti je naslov!

adam w
Jugoslavija je de fakto bila članica NATO početkom pedesetih kroz sporazum sa Turskom i Grčkom samo se seti ogromne američke pomoči koju je primila u tom periodu (samo da spomenem među ostalim nekoika stotina borbenih aviona koji su dugi niz godina bila okosnica Jugo vazduhoplovstva) Pravi razlog za neulazak u NATO nije bio vojne nego ideološke prirode. Jednostavno kako je kom. država mogla da opravda ulazak u NATO, tako da je kriza iz 56 kada je Rusiji trebala, podrška JBT da bi sprečila da zapad pošalje pomoć madjarskim revolucionarima preko SFRJ zapravo omogučila početak politike klacklaice koja je naravno bila održiva samo onoliko koliko je i trajao h. rat.. To je bilo dobro za kom partiju,i delovalo je dugo kao idealna pozicija ali kao što možeš da primetiš na duge staze se pokazalo neodrživo i poplločalo put za katatrofu koja je sledila..


potpis... :)

i preporuka ofc...
Atomski mrav Atomski mrav 09:49 18.09.2007

From whom would NATO protect us?

Hmmm... maybe "Ze Germans"? :) Or evil aliens? Or maybe NATO wants to replace UN?
Chris Farmer Chris Farmer 09:52 18.09.2007

Re: From whom would NATO protect us?

The evil aliens appear to be the most credible threat. A real and present danger.
CBF
Mungos Mungos 10:01 18.09.2007

Re: From whom would NATO protect us?

Especially if they act as Russian or Chineese spies...:))))

Mungos, The Unallied
dunjica dunjica 13:29 18.09.2007

Re: From whom would NATO protect us?

"Ze Germans"

Who are they? I might have missed a whole big plot.
Atomski mrav Atomski mrav 08:40 19.09.2007

Re: From whom would NATO protect us?

Dunjice,

it's a replica from the movie "Snatch"... it's something like this:

- What do you need a gun for, Tommy?
- For protection.
- Protection? From whom? Ze Germans?
...
dunjica dunjica 09:49 19.09.2007

Re: From whom would NATO protect us?

Thx, Atomski, na objasnjenju! Cini mi se da Ze Germans ima veze s time kako Nijemci obicno izgovaraju "the" - otprilike "ze".
Atomski mrav Atomski mrav 12:42 19.09.2007

Re: From whom would NATO protect us?

Upravo tako! Čita se, tj. lik iz filma (Turkish) to izgovara kao "Zi Dž'rmans" ali pošto sam hteo da napišem komentar na engleskom...
Poenta je u tome da nema NATO od koga da nas brani... osim od nas samih, možda. Što bi Radovan III rekao, najgore je kad smo samo mi oko nas...

Pozdrav!
kristina124 kristina124 10:35 18.09.2007

your second insulting post that I remember

This, I believe, is a second insulting post against your host country, and my fatherland, in this blog.

As Soylent Green pointed this is taking sides in ongoing preparations for the war against Russia, for the conquest of Siberia, as described in Brzezinsky's "Great Chessboard". The importance of the BAlkans, and particularly SErbia in this clash is well described there.

If all are joined in NATO, which has already been denied to Russians back in 1990's, than internal terror would occur.
Mungos Mungos 10:50 18.09.2007

Re: your second insulting post that I remember

This, I believe, is a second insulting post against your host country, and my fatherland, in this blog.

As Soylent Green pointed this is taking sides in ongoing preparations for the war against Russia, for the conquest of Siberia, as described in Brzezinsky's "Great Chessboard". The importance of the BAlkans, and particularly SErbia in this clash is well described there.

If all are joined in NATO, which has already been denied to Russians back in 1990's, than internal terror would occur.


I have red some fragments of that book. Terrible!
I have a documentary with Mike Ruppert, the former Chief of anti-narcotic Department of Los Angeles Police, who is mentioning exactly this book, in the context of his experience and whitnessing of CIA's huge drug smuggling operations and great drug-oil conspiracy, as well as 9/11 (September, the 11th 2001) hoax., as related.

Mongoose, The Unallied (Conditionally)
semele semele 11:21 18.09.2007

Re: your second insulting post that I remember

Is Mr. Farmer just fishing?
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 11:27 18.09.2007

Re: your second insulting post that I reme

Ah Semele have you come here again to advocate the new DSS' no NATO agenda ? How quick of you to follow up on the main board's decision, I'm impressed!
semele semele 11:37 18.09.2007

The Committee on the Present Danger,

Trouble Around the Corner
By George H. Wittman
Published 9/17/2007
George H. Wittman, a member of the Committee on the Present Danger,
was the founding chairman of the National Institute for Public Policy.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12017

Kosovo, with its primarily Moslem population, has been of unique importance to the United States. Proving to the Islamic world that America would fight for the rights of a Moslem-dominated community in Europe has become one of the few foreign policy initiatives shared by the Clinton and Bush administrations.

Of course it wasn't always such an easy transition. Clinton's adventure in Balkan politics, and subsequent commitment of NATO air and ground forces in 1999, initially was condemned by many leaders of the conservative wing of the Republican Party. The Russians, however, helped shift conservative thinking.

Moscow's adamant defense of its Orthodox Slav cousins and the Serbian sovereignty argument of Slobodan Milosevic smelled too much of a revival of earlier communist alignments. This became even more clear when the Russian army units supposedly under UN command actually acted to block British and American forces seeking to secure key positions.

By the time George W. Bush settled into office, Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Advisor Condi Rice had decided that with a minimum commitment of American ground forces and consequent little danger to American life and limb, considerable political propaganda use could be made of the U.S. effort to protect a majority Moslem homeland. The only trouble has been that al Qaeda, Afghanistan and Iraq came along and the American/EU/NATO/UN good works toward Moslems in Kosovo were essentially ignored by the Islamic world.

At this point, both Kosovars and Serbs are in agreement that they still hate each other. It has been said that virtually all Serbia believes Kosovo must remain Serb -- even though most of the rest of the world disagrees. Generously, Serbia's Foreign Office has indicated that Belgrade would not be making efforts to destabilize Kosovo "by physical, military or security means." It will only use legal means, it said, to prevent a unilateral declaration of independence. This has satisfied no one.

The fact is that Kosovo's leadership has made clear that it intends to establish UDI by December 10 if the negotiations next planned for September 18 do not produce agreement. This has sent the EU into a frenzy of activity with suggestions that such action would precipitate a return to the bloody warfare of the '90s.

Facts don't seem to matter too much in the Balkans where hundreds of years of imperial exploitation, foreign invasion, and bloody conflict are the historical norm. The approximate 2.1 million population of Kosovo is made up now of nearly 90% ethnic Albanians, virtually all of whom are Moslem.

This province ekes out an existence with 40-50% unemployed living through subsistence farming and cross border smuggling. Forty-five percent of its revenue is made up of remittances from abroad and UN in-country programs. Kosovo has a marginal agriculture and a very small basic manufacturing capability, although its construction industry thrives on exporting both products and workers to neighboring Balkan states. Other than some local coal mining, its mineral deposits are largely undeveloped. Serbia, nonetheless, is determined to hang on to this impoverished province. Tradition is a powerful motivation in that part of the world.

There have been various proposals for the partition of Serbia that would spin off the portion south of the Ibar River as a new Kosovo. The problem is that United Nations Resolution 1244 itself states Kosovo is a Serbian province. While such details might seem to be able to be worked out by some delicate UN negotiation, the acceptance of the concept of partition might reopen a vast number of historical ethnic border conflicts throughout the multiple nations of former Yugoslavia.

The Russians have recently reiterated their firm stance in support of their Serb cousins. Putin's very modern ambitions do not dissuade him from using the oldest of pseudo-legitimate ethnic identities to buttress his foreign political actions. The Serbs, in turn, while happy to have Russian support for their point of view, are ultimately most interested in keeping clean their EU copybook in hopes of eventual full membership in that union.

Meanwhile Washington appears to have downgraded the political importance of aiding Kosovo for Islamic political propaganda purposes. It's not so much a matter of losing interest as it is a willingness to turn the sticky problem of Kosovo over to the UN and European Union. The Bush Administration is basically sitting with its fingers crossed hoping the United Nations' special envoy, Martti Ahtisaari, will be able to devise a plan that satisfies both Belgrade and Pristina sometime before the December 10 deadline.

No one wants any more trouble around the Kosovo corner -- except the bad guys.


George H. Wittman, a member of the Committee on the Present Danger, was the founding chairman of the National Institute for Public Policy.
semele semele 11:42 18.09.2007

Re: The Committee on the Present Danger,

I REPEAT:
"No one wants any more trouble around the Kosovo corner -- except the bad guys."


I REPEAT:
"No one wants any more trouble around the Kosovo corner -- except the bad guys."


I REPEAT:
"No one wants any more trouble around the Kosovo corner -- except the bad guys."


I REPEAT:
"No one wants any more trouble around the Kosovo corner -- except the bad guys."


I REPEAT:
"No one wants any more trouble around the Kosovo corner -- except the bad guys."



JEL SAD JASNO!! MIIIIIII-RNO!


adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 11:54 18.09.2007

Re: The Committee on the Present Danger,

Do you happen to include in your definition of bad guys those tycoons whose interest it is to keep Serbia away from European integrations as well?
JEL SAD JASNO!! MIIIIIII-RNO!

Vidim da je stranačka disciplina na nivou ?
semele semele 13:15 18.09.2007

Re: The Committee on the Present Danger,

Bas tako Adame Weisphaute.
semele semele 13:48 18.09.2007

Kristina124 & Brzezinsky

Kristina,
U ovom krajnjem scenariju koji ti spominjes mi cemo moci samo da gledamo i zalimo ako se to bude desavalo Rusiji.

Posled prvog i drugog rata, pa onda balkanskih ratova 90tih godina VEOMA je jasno da mi imamo trajne neprijatelje u zapadno-juznom polukrugu oko nas i medju nama. Sto znaci da nas mogu neutralisati u svakom momentu, i to jedva cekaju kao i uvek. Zato Rusi ne mogu racunati na nasu pomoc u doomsday scenariju.

Za ovaj scenario koji opisujete nije vazno da li smo mi U NATO PAKTU ili VAN NATO PAKTA. Kada je Regent Pavle pokusavao da se dogovori sa nemackim fasistima, hrvatski i italijanski fasisti su osujetili te pokusaje, a da ne govorimo da je unutrasnja srpska opozicija lako oborila rezim uz pomoc Engleza.

Opet bi se naslo dovoljno ljudi u Srbiji da obori vladu u slucaju ekstremnih situacija i to opet na nesrecu svih Srba.

ZATO ne treba razmisljati o doomsday scenariju koju gospodin Farmer iznosi da bi uneo konfuziju u srpske dijaloge.

Ono sto je vazno je da se razume je da Srbija pravi pakt sa "djavolom" iz svojih interesa, a ne zato sto zeli da bude djavolov saucesnik. A nas interes je da stitimo Srbe na Balkanu od daljnjeg progona danas i uvek.
kristina124 kristina124 15:31 18.09.2007

Re: Kristina124 & Brzezinsky

Semele,

Primljeno k znanju.

Takticki, zvuci sasvim racionalno i istinito.

Nedostaje stratesko, dubinsko sagledavanje.

Mi na jugu imamo i neke trajne saveznike. Posle 1221 - treba procitati i Genadijevo pismo logotetu. A ima i nekog zanimljivog stiva iz 1895, sa jednim paragrafom koji govori o nama. Ako se zajednicki izborimo protiv zajednickh Dositeja i Ilariona Ruvarca stvari bi izgledale drugacije.
semele semele 15:58 18.09.2007

Re: Kristina124 & Brzezinsky

Pa posalji "linkove".

Za cenjenje sagovornike uključujem Vukovu latinicu u pogon:

Znaš kako je pisao lukavi hrvatski filolog Dalibor Brozović o "sprovodjenu" zajedničkog filološkog projekta, ...

"takav se mit ne pobija otvoreno, bučno i ofanzivno, takvu mitu treba naprotiv prirediti svečani sprovod."

pa tako treba i sa baka Natom.

Domazet Domazet 19:00 18.09.2007

Gospodin Farmer se...

ZATO ne treba razmisljati o doomsday scenariju koju gospodin Farmer iznosi da bi uneo konfuziju u srpske dijaloge.

...rekao bih, zahebava na racun NATOa ( i, moguce, usput pomalo na racun Kostunice). Sto Adam i njegovi to ne vide, to me ne cudi. I ako vide pravice se da ne vide. Ali me ovaj tvoj komentar upucuje da ti to pomalo ne vidis...
semele semele 19:22 18.09.2007

Re: Gospodin Farmer se...

budi?
Domazete,
U eri brze komunikacije sva paznja ne moze biti usmerena na pojedinosti.
Enlighten me please.
Sto se tice Adama i co. i oni imaju prava na "Aufklarung".
Pozdrav sa ove strane atlantskog spoja.



kristina124 kristina124 19:54 18.09.2007

Re: Kristina124 & Brzezinsky

Obrati paznju na Chapter XXII. Skolarijevo pismo logotetu ne postoji online. Potrazi ga, izvestava o Firenci u koju despot Djuradj nije hteo.

P.S. Jos jedan pozdrav za sensei Domazeta.
Domazet Domazet 14:42 19.09.2007

Arigato Gozaimashita i otpozdrav...

...drage dame.

Semele,

Ako se CBFov tekst procita relaksiranog oka mislim da se moze videti da se radi o lahkoj zahebanciji na racun Poslovnog Udruzenje kome je jedini nacin da ostane u biznisu pruzanja zastite to da izmislja nove protivnike. Ko kaze da su se Sicilijanci prvi setili.

Izvinjavam se na kratkoci, ali sam u strasnoj guzvi.
urbanosaurus urbanosaurus 16:43 19.09.2007

Re: The Committee on the Present Danger,

semele
JEL SAD JASNO!! MIIIIIII-RNO!


mirno k'o na pomen imena djenerala nedica kad parivodic reche koracu...
ili mirno mirno, ono kao opushteno sve je u redu mirno...

ili neko trece mirno...
semele semele 17:45 19.09.2007

Re: The Committee on the Present Danger,

americki mirno
nsarski nsarski 14:29 18.09.2007

This NATO deal

is actually fun! Let's say we all join NATO. Then what?
Well, it reminds me of the situation when various sports commentator, reporters, etc., choose the best soccer team in the world: they select among the best world players and make a "dream team". Now, there is this little thing that the Team has nobody to play against. Really. Who do they play? Cosmos from NY? Nah.
Then some genius comes up with the brilliant idea: Hey, lets split the Team in two and play against each other! So, they do that, organize the match, sell the tickets, and everybody makes some money.
The same thing with NATO.
We now have the mightiest military on the planet, just sitting there. It is the nature of force to want to demonstrate itself. To show how strong and big it is. So we gotta pick up a fight with somebody. But who? Vicious hordes of Zulu warriors advancing towards Paris? (Btw, these guys are pissed off big time at Europeans, but that is another subject).
So here is the idea: This mega super duper dial-o-matic NATO can attack Switzerland!
Under what pretext, you ask. Oh c'mon, those bastards, they've been selling us cheese with holes! Swiss cheese, Swiss cheese, they shout. Swiss cheese my a*s, it's just a hole surrounded by a little cheese. Casus belli, par excellence, for those who speak French.
OK, so we attack Switzerland, raid their banks, get the money and treasures, and everybody lives happily ever after. That is my idea. It it certainly better than to split this mega alliance in two and fight each other:)
dunjica dunjica 14:45 18.09.2007

Re: This NATO deal

Oh c'mon, those bastards, they've been selling us cheese with holes!


It is actually not the biggest problem. The worst thing is that the Swiss leave the BEST cheese at home for their own consumption and export the leftovers to the NATO world. Is it not a good reason to act? ;-))
nsarski nsarski 14:49 18.09.2007

Re: This NATO deal

Exactly!
I can see you are getting my drift:)
dunjica dunjica 14:56 18.09.2007

Re: This NATO deal

It was actually
Swiss cheese

thet drew my attention ;-)

jinks jinks 15:03 18.09.2007

Re: This NATO deal

And those SWATCH whatever ... the sole reason why they invented them was to ware our officer stuff down. Half of OTAN headquarters have not yet figured out how to wind them up.
Kazezoze Kazezoze 15:34 18.09.2007

Re: This NATO deal

gagonja gagonja 17:18 18.09.2007

staying in the middle

save Serbia
and kill yourself,
Kostunice
Kostunice
Viktor Viktor 17:55 18.09.2007

the solution

Kostunica should simply cancel the Serbian military. Then there's no need for military alliance.
dunjica dunjica 17:57 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Bingo!

(and the rest should follow the example ))
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 18:02 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

dunjica
Bingo!

(and the rest should follow the example ))

It's not going to happen, but were it at all possible I' d be the first to endorse it.
nestorijanac nestorijanac 18:28 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Wow, Mr. Welsphaut, in that case, the world beter do something about it ! I mean, if a person of such relevance is willing to endorse...., what's the world waiting for....?
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 18:33 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

nestorijanac
Wow, Mr. Welsphaut, in that case, the world beter do something about it ! I mean, if a person of such relevance is willing to endorse...., what's the world waiting for....?

They are waiting for you to endorse it first my dear Nestorioan friend. Because you bear such great relevance.in the world, of course
nestorijanac nestorijanac 18:38 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Well, let me then do it right now..... There, I did it ! I have just endorsed it.
You can go ahead now, my dear friend...
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 18:44 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Oh no my Nestoirian friend you have got it all wrong, all we have to do is wait for the world to act on the words of such a great one like you in comparison to whose stature mine inevitably pales
nestorijanac nestorijanac 18:58 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

I might have got it all wrong, but since the moment I gave my endorsment to such a noble cause the world has become a lot better (and safer) place... And I promise you, your stature will soon become greater than mine has ever been... I am so, so happy....
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 19:00 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

nestorijanac
I might have got it all wrong, but since the moment I gave my endorsment to such a noble cause the world has become a lot better (and safer) place... And I promise you, your stature will soon become greater than mine has ever been... I am so, so happy....

If you are happy, then I'm even more so
nsarski nsarski 19:05 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

I think both of you guys should join NATO and start fighting for the same cause. That'll bring you closer.
nestorijanac nestorijanac 19:08 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

How about you ?
Wouldn't you be tempted to do the same ?
After all, Zulu warriors seem interested to join us as well...
nsarski nsarski 19:13 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Nah, not for me. I have no quarrel with anyone.
What about this guy?



It's a tough life, dude. Who do we bomb today?
nestorijanac nestorijanac 19:17 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Nah, not for me. I have no quarrel with anyone.

That makes you just the right kind of a guy for the NATO ! Don't you think so ?!
By the way, Mr. Chaplin used to bomb teenage girls....
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 19:19 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

nsarski
Nah, not for me. I have no quarrel with anyone.
What about this guy?



It's a tough life, dude. Who do we bomb today?

That's nothing but this...

Radojicic Radojicic 19:20 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

nestorijanac
Well, let me then do it right now..... There, I did it ! I have just endorsed it.
You can go ahead now, my dear friend...


Don't waste time signing guys
here report for 2005 only

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11257

nestorijanac, what exactly did you sign and where?
nsarski nsarski 19:22 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

He did? Well, I know he had a brand new baby at the age of 70 or so. He must have bombed somebody younger, if you know what I men.
But, otherwise, I like to defend myself. So, if I ever get attacked by Angelina Jolie, please, please, don't defend me! I'll do it myself, even to the point of total capitulation (hey, that's one way to do it!).
Take it easy my friend, things will work out, one way or another.
nestorijanac nestorijanac 19:31 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

nestorijanac, what exactly did you sign and where?


This is how it happened - Mr. Adam Welsphaut has suggested that a person of such a great stature and relevance (as mine) should tell the world what to do (regarding the military) and I did it. Than I suggested to Mr. Nsarski (who is usually followed bu Zulu warriors) to do the same. But, he declined.
As to WHERE did I give my endorsment to this cause - in fact, I stood in front of my window (it was open) and gave endorsment silently, so that everyone in the world can hear....
nestorijanac nestorijanac 19:34 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Take it easy my friend, things will work out, one way or another.

okey dokey !!!!
nsarski nsarski 19:36 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

Yep. Zulu warriors, these are my people.

nestorijanac nestorijanac 19:41 18.09.2007

Re: the solution

nsarski
Yep. Zulu warriors, these are my people.


That is so cute !

By the way, there is a place in Serbia (Babusnica) where some of Zulu warriors are now engaged in private entrepreneur.....
semele semele 19:57 18.09.2007

What are you smoking?

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebsm/bobmarley/bob_marley_1.jpg[/img]
nestorijanac nestorijanac 20:53 18.09.2007

Re: What are you smoking?

yep !!!
nsarski nsarski 21:27 18.09.2007

Re: What are you smoking?

Smoking? Ah, you guys, you're just trying to be funny, I know you. I don't know if this question is directed to me but just in case. I'm not smoking anything, certainly not something green like that mumbo-jumbo weed behind that brother. Real men smoke real stuff. Like depleted uranium and sh*t. I had a little overdose of that thing, ura.. something, and I must tell you - it's not dangerous at all! Actually, its good for you. Our friends at CENTCOM told me.
So, my message is: join NATO and fly high!
gagonja gagonja 18:05 18.09.2007

you're mistaken

Kostunica should commit suicide and the rest should follow
semele semele 21:34 18.09.2007

Dear Chris,

At the end of the day we can see the constructive attitudes of our pro-Western team of EU and NATO translators and NGO activists with higher than normal global awareness. Any rational discussion in face of opposition is quite impossible for them. Even though they spell English quite well and mimic everything quite properly. But, perhaps one should not expect too much from apparatchiks after all. Thanks for the opportunity you have given us. As you see NATO can sail in, there will be no resistance.
Sleep tight.
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 21:37 18.09.2007

Re: Dear Chris,

But, perhaps one should not expect too much from apparatchiks

However one should expect much from apparatchik's daughters
nestorijanac nestorijanac 22:00 18.09.2007

Re: Dear Chris,

At the end of the day we can see the constructive attitudes of our pro-Western team of EU and NATO translators and NGO activists with higher than normal global awareness.


Maybe that's the reason for posting Mr. Marley's photo ?
To show us the way to higher understanding of things ?
patriot patriot 23:32 18.09.2007

Pozdrav

Definitivno ne u NATO. U jednom ranijem postu na slicnu temu sam izneo i veoma opsirno misljenje zasto ne. Ako vas ne mrzi, potrazite...
patriot patriot 00:04 19.09.2007

Zapravo evo, nasao sam ga ja....

Dear Mr. Farmer I'm afraid that it would take me to much time to translate following text into English, therefore I hope you will find somebody to translate it to you directly as they read it. I sincerely thank you for understanding this problem.

Naime, u poslednjih par godina postalo je vise nego ocigledno konstantno sirenje americkog uticaja na globalnom nivou sa izrazitim ekspazionistickim karakteristikama. SAD su vojno prisutne u gotovo svakom delu sveta, njihove trupe okupiraju ili su prisutne u drugom obliku na gotovo svim znacajnijim koridorima, morskim trasama i uopsteno svim lokacijama od geostrateskog znacaja. Naravno krajnji cilj ove geostrateske sahovske partije su Rusija i Kina ali najverovatnije obrnutim redosledom sudeci po dosadasnjem americkom razmestanju figura na tabli. Americi se ocito veoma zasvidjao period nakon propasti Varsavskog pakta i raspada SSSR-a kada je jedina nosila titulu globalne sile i naravno imala politicku tezinu u skladu sa svojom pozicijom te joj ocito nikako ne prija neverovatan rast ekonomsko-vojno-politicke moci ove dve zemlje manifestovan u veoma kratkom vremenskom periodu kao i njihovi potencijali za daljim jacanjem svog globalnog uticaja.

No, sada se postavlja pitanje kako se mi uklapamo u ovim "igrama bez granica" ?

Pokusacu da ponudim svoje subjektivno objasnjenje ovog problema koje i ne mora zapravo biti veoma komlikovano. Ukoliko zelite da izvrsite invaziju na jednu tako ogromnu zemlju kao sto je Ruska federacija sasvim je logicno da cete pozeleti da to uradite iz vise pravaca sa ciljem da oslabite odbranu razvukavsi ljudske i materijalne resurse na vise razlicitih frontova, dalje prodiruci iz razlicitih pravaca u dubinu teritorije zemlje koju napadate izazvacete prekid komunikacija odbrambene armije i usloviti njeno povlacenje sa onih linija koje niste probili dublje u unutrasnjost jer bi u suprotnom te linije bile odsecene i opkoljene te time primorane na predaju. Medjutim, napredovanje u ratu je cesto mac sa dve ostrice jer napredovanjem razvlacite svoje linije komunikacije otezavajuci snabdevanje trupa na prvoj liniji fronta dok se armija koja se povlaci sabija poput opruge, homogenizujuci se, skracujuci svoje linije snabdevanja i zgusnjavajuci raspored svojih jedinica na terenu. U tom trenutku postoji realan rizik od protiv-napada odbrambene armije koji napadacka armija zbog svojih razvucenih linija ne bi mogla da izdrzi te dalje i realne sanse za propast cele invazione kampanje. U svojoj proslosti Ruska armija je pokazala da ume brilijanto izvesti protiv napad pocev od Borodinske bitke sto je bio pocetak kraja Napoleonovih ekspazionistickih snova pa do drugog svetskog rata etc... Kao komandant invazionoh snaga, a svesni tog rizika, naravno da ce vam biti od krucijalnog znacaja nesmetana komunikacija u dubini vase teritorije, u ovom slucaju govorimo o hiljadu kilometara, radi mogucnosti brzog prebacivanja trupa sa fronta na front i pruzanja podrske kriticnim mestima. I upravo tu dolazimo do pravog znacaja Republike Srbije u ovoj varijani scenarija. Nalazeci se na koridoru 10, najkracoj komunikaciji izmedju evrope i male azije mi se fakticki nalazimo izmedju najbrojnije i najjace evropske vojske, turske armije (druga po velicini u NATO paktu i jedan od najvernijih Americkih saveznika), americkih trupa u Iraku i Afganistanu i ostatka zapadne evrope koja bi u slucaju Ruskog protivudara bila definitivno najugrozenija. Na stranu sve teorije zavere, u pentagonu sede ozbiljni ljudi koji ozbiljno planiraju sve moguce scenarije. Opste je poznata cinjenica da su Srbi kao narod veliki rusofili, mozda i vise od polovine punoletne populacije (SRS+SPS+SPO+ deo DSS-a), a invazija na Rusiju bi taj broj znatno povecala. I sta raditi sa jednom relativno malom zemljom, sa relativno malim brojem stanovnistva u kojoj je javno mnjenje suprotno nastrojeno od vasih interesa bez izgleda na promenu, a koja se nalazi u dubini vase teritorije (zemlje clanice Nato-a su zapravo maltene suverena teritorija SAD u vojnom pogledu) i na tako znacajnoj komunikaciji? Jedino resenje je oslabiti je sto je vise moguce, fragmentisati je u sto sitnije delove i na kraju joj dati neki problem koji joj nece dati da svoje snage usmeri na drugu stranu. Pre 3 ili 4 godine na internetu sam pronasao neka zanimljiva opazanja nekih stranih vojnih analiticara o planu CIA-e vezanog za Srbiju. Znam, reci cete mi da sam paranoik sa teorijom zavere: ceo svet protiv nas. No ja to posmatram na drugaciji nacin. U tom planu pod nazivom "Koreni" uglavnom se planira sledece: Otcepljenje Kosova od ostatka zemlje sa ciljem izazivanja energetske zavisnosti Srbije (na Kosovu se nalaze rezerve lignita dovoljne da podmire nase potrebe za narednih vek-vek i po, a lignit = elektricna energija), izdvajanje Crne Gore iz zajednice cime bi se nasli u potpunom okruzenju nato-a jer ne bi imali dalji pristup medjunarodnim vodama pa bi stoga mogli da uvozimo samo ono sta nam se dozvoli, potpuno administrativno zaokruzivanje AP Vojvodine u neku formu drzave u drzavi, sa sopstvenim budzetom, vladom, parlamentom sa izvrsnim i zakonodavnim aktivnostima, a ne zaboravimo da je Vojvodina ekonomski najjaca oblast u srbiji za znacajnim prehrambeno-industrijskim kapacitetima i otvaranje pitanja Raske kao problema sa kojim bi se baktali u narednom periodu i koji bi nam odvlacio svu politicu energiju sa drugih pitanja.
Pazite, o ovome sam citao prvi put pre 3 ili 4 godine. Pa da pogledamo dokle se stiglo po tom pitanju. Srbija je bombardovana 99 godine pod izgovorom nepostivanja ljudskih prava i navodne humanitarne katastrofe od strane Amerike i njenih saveznika sto je jedini slucaj cini mi se u istoriji da je kao razlog za agresiju navedeno milosrdje. Danas smo naravno svi svesni da je teza o humanitarnoj katastrofi obicna budalastina. Ne kazem da nije bilo krsenja ljudskih prava ali sigurno nije bilo ni humanitarne katastrofe. O tome ko je organizovao, obucavao i finansirao tzv. OVK ne zelim ni da govorim. Rezultat nastavka politike drugim sredstvima bio je okupacija dela teritorije Republike Srbije i podizanja haske optuznice za genocid protiv Milosevica koji je samo 3 GODINE RANIJE bio nazivan od strane amerikanaca kao GARANT MIRA I STABILNOSTI. Retorika vodjena protiv Milosevica tih godina na moje veliko iznenadjenje nije ni najmanje promenjena nakon 5 oktobra. Naprotiv! Postala je jos zesca i bezobraznija pa danas dozivljavamo da nas raznorazni ambasadori koji su inace GOSTI u nasoj zemlji ubedjuju da je za nase dobro potrebno da sami otpocnemo proces rasparcavanja zemlje i pritom nam iznose uveravanja da su njihove zemlje koje su nam tako milostivo udelile sankcije pre decenije i po i koje su nas tako milosrdno bombardovale pre nekoliko godina nasi najveci prijatelji i da oni zapravo cine presedan medjunarodnom pravu zbog nas na cemu im moramo biti zahvalni do kraja zivota! I iako VEC 7 GODINA imamo demokratsku vladu i demokratskog predsednika koji na komandu americkog ambasadora stoje u stavu mirno i podnose raport po PS-u, iako ovde vise nikome ljudska prava nisu ugrozena, pa ni kriminalcima, povici na nas sve su veci, jaci glasniji, imperativniji! Danas, 7 godina nakon nezvanicnog dolaska demokratije sve se vise pominje politika stapa i sargarepe. Tako se inace vodi iliti tera magarac. Ja magarac nisam. Djukanovic, nekada veliki srbin koji je redovno obilazio trupe na Dubrovackom ratistu je najednom postao crnogorac i uz svesrdnu pomoc kupljenih glasova odvojio Crnu Goru iz drzavne zajednice. Kud se ono bese dede ona njegova optuznica i poternica interpola zbog sverca? Nesto se ne pominje od za njega pozitivnog ishoda referenduma... U Vojvodini standardno imamo ekipu koja me neodoljivo podseca na scenu iz filma mumija, znate onu kada masa prostog sveta pod cinima mumije koja je ozivela hoda niz ulicu i ponavlja ritmicno: Im-po-tep, Im-po-tep, Im-po-tep. Tako u vojvodini imamo Canka, Pajtica i onog drugog Bojana na celu kolone koja hoda niz ulicu i ponavlja: au-to-nomija, au-to-nomija, au-to-nomija. Mozda ne znate ali racunarski sistem policije iz uze srbije nema pristupa u racunarski sistem vojvodine. Pa gde cete vise sa tom autonomijom? I u cijem interesu pitam se, da nije mozda gradjana Srbije sa prebivalistem u pokrajini? Mislim da ne.... And last but not least, eto nama odjednom vehabija u Raskoj... to ce biti onaj problemcic koji ce sluziti da nas zaokupi do daljnjeg. Iskrsose ljudi odjednom iz cista mira, ko grom iz vedra neba, u Federaciji (bosanskoj) ih nema toliko i tako lepo naoruzanih... Pitam se samo cijim novcem i za ciji interes....

Nakon celog ovog mog opsirnog izlaganja mislim da je nepotrebno isticati kako nama definitivno nije mesto u NATO-u. Sa te strane nam jos uvek nista dobro nije doslo, a nece ni doci. Tri stuba oslonca svake drzave su jaka ekonomija, jaka vojska i jaka spoljna politika. Jedno uslovljava drugo pa tako bez jake ekonomije nema jake vojske i spoljne politike, bez jake vojske gubite politicku tezinu u diplomatiji, a ukoliko nemate diplomatsku tezinu sigurno necete ni imati postovanje poslovnih partnera, tj drugih zemalja sto ce se odraziti kako nepovoljnijim plasmanom vase robe tako i kroz diktat raznih medjunarodnih finansijskih institucija. I verujte mi, bicemo na klimavim nogama dokle god ne ojacamo ta tri stuba. Mozemo se pouzdati samo u se i svoje kljuse, a ako nam se u toku ostvarivanja nasih ciljeva poklope interesi sa nekom drzavom odlicno, a ako ne, opet odlicno. Amerika je otpocela proces vodjenja politike ognjem i macem po celome svetu i mi smo na direktnom udaru. Pa sada, ako ti je plesni partner zaigrao tango, prati ga, iako on pevusi sambu. Jaka ekonomija, jaka vojska. Tek onda cemo biti u prilici da iole uspesno pregovaramo na pribliznoj ravni.


I naravno, za nas bi najbolja solucija bila ona koju predlaze Mungos, ali na zalost od nas se TRAZI da se svrstamo na jednu od strana. Odmeravanje je vec pocelo, karte su podeljene, mi odlucujemo kako cemo odigrati, nadam se pametno ovoga puta...
nestorijanac nestorijanac 00:10 19.09.2007

Re: Zapravo evo, nasao sam ga ja....

Odmeravanje je vec pocelo, karte su podeljene, mi odlucujemo kako cemo odigrati, nadam se pametno ovoga puta...

Izvinite, ko su ti "mi" ?
patriot patriot 00:23 19.09.2007

Re: Zapravo evo, nasao sam ga ja....

Izvinite, ko su ti "mi" ?


Svi MI. Drzavljani Republike. Srbi po nacionalnosti. Ostali uvek mogu da emigriraju u svoje matice ako stvari krenu po zlu. Ili da se prikljuce protivnickoj strani sto ne bi bilo prvi put. Kako god, imaju izlaz za razliku od nas. A sto se nas tice, pa valjda vidimo sa koje se strane oblaci i seva, mozda bi trebali malo da razmislimo sta nam je ciniti.

Junaku se cesto puta hoce, vedro nebo nasmijat grohotom.
nsarski nsarski 00:38 19.09.2007

Re: Zapravo evo, nasao sam ga ja....

patriote, rode, imam jedno pitanje, a povodom:

Ostali uvek mogu da emigriraju u svoje matice ako stvari krenu po zlu


Neko ko mi je drag, i poznajem osobu odlicno, je Rusinske nacionalnosti. Pa, ako nije tesko, gde da emigrira doticna osoba? Koju maticu? I sto da emigrira, buduci da je desetine generacija unazad na istoj teritoriji? (Preciznije, potez Krcedin - Novi Sad).
nestorijanac nestorijanac 00:40 19.09.2007

Re: Zapravo evo, nasao sam ga ja....

Dobro, ako tako vidite ovu situaciju.
Meni, medjutim, izgleda da Srbi (po nacionalnosti) imaju jedan jednostavan zadatak. Da sacuvaju sopstvenu glavu koju sami sebi ugrozavaju. Drugi (po nacionalnosti) se mozda samo pridruzuju skidanju te glave....
nestorijanac nestorijanac 00:42 19.09.2007

Re: Zapravo evo, nasao sam ga ja....

Neko ko mi je drag, i poznajem osobu odlicno, je Rusinske nacionalnosti.

U Rusinje ?
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 08:04 19.09.2007

Re: Zapravo evo, nasao sam ga ja....

patriot
Izvinite, ko su ti "mi" ?


Svi MI. Drzavljani Republike. Srbi po nacionalnosti. Ostali uvek mogu da emigriraju u svoje matice ako stvari krenu po zlu. Ili da se prikljuce protivnickoj strani sto ne bi bilo prvi put. Kako god, imaju izlaz za razliku od nas.

Patriote možda bi trebalo da odeš na "Srpski marš" u NS. Verujem da ćeš naići na puno istomišljenika.
semele semele 09:09 19.09.2007

tatin sin nsarski

bravo nsarski
Your ability to disrupt is commendable.
Maybe we can employ you for OUR covert forces.
Lots of weeding to do in Guantanamo Bay.
nsarski nsarski 09:22 19.09.2007

Re: tatin sin nsarski

Haahaaaa,
thanks for your offer. I'll pass this time.
semele semele 10:22 19.09.2007

tatin sin nsarski

Don't be bashful.
We have an excellent civil rights programme going on there,
a real gradjanski movement can come out of it (one day).
RumuUn RumuUn 11:09 19.09.2007

Re: tatin sin nsarski

Mr nsarski I'm in need of your blogs.
(lost mr ćirković I found in politikin zabavnik which made me extremely happy)

Pleeeeeese come back, this NATO thing and global war strategies is killing me.

More fractals I need :)
jinks jinks 08:09 19.09.2007

Nato deal

Even if UK and US manage (rhetorical question) to bring their plan up to operational level, i.e. to separate Kosovo from Serbia ... how good Kosovo solution is, from strategical point of view (resident UKS army, nuclear weapon installation, airports ...), without free access to the Serbian roads, and Serbian logistics infrastructure. Without cooperation of Serbia, Kosovo is nothing but a proverbial sh.. ho.. surrounded only by ancient mountains, and hostile drug, weapon, and all other kinds of smugglers.

So, in other words, even if UK and US bully their way through, we are not off the hook after all ... the ballroom dance is not over, by far.
semele semele 09:26 19.09.2007

Re: Nato deal

You are absolutely right,

But you forgot one thing. NATO has Adam, nsarski and nestorijan on their side!
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 09:56 19.09.2007

Re: Nato deal

semele
You are absolutely right,

But you forgot one thing. NATO has Adam, nsarski and nestorijan on their side!



Ah I see that the stage is set for the new Kosovo battle, Semele has cast the roles: we have "the heroes", "the traitors" and herself as the new Kosovo girl, all the way from London of course .
semele semele 10:32 19.09.2007

The new Kosovo battle

Zulu warriors against Gauntanamo Bay Gradjanski Savez (nsarski, Adam, Nestor 000)?


One thing is sure: Serbs are still fighting for Kosovo and in Kosovo 600 years later.
That is an achievement. And deserves admiration.
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 10:49 19.09.2007

Re: The new Kosovo battle

semele
Zulu warriors against Gauntanamo Bay Gradjanski Savez (nsarski, Adam, Nestor 000)?


One thing is sure: Serbs are still fighting for Kosovo and in Kosovo 600 years later.
That is an achievement. And deserves admiration.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
Some of them are fighting for Kosovo from abroad. These are the bravest of them all

nsarski nsarski 10:59 19.09.2007

Re: The new Kosovo battle

OK, guys. Thank you for your company. Now, you just keep on with your fun if you like, but I'm outta here. You don't have to stand up. Thanks:)
RumuUn RumuUn 11:13 19.09.2007

Re: The new Kosovo battle

And once more

Mr nsarski I'm in need of your blogs.
(lost mr ćirković I found in politikin zabavnik which made me extremely happy)

Pleeeeeese come back, this NATO thing and global war strategies is killing me.

More fractals I need :)
semele semele 11:14 19.09.2007

Re: The new Kosovo battle

Well, if the US is fighting for its security in Afghanistan,
why shouldn't we fight for our security in Kosovo?

If we are in the Global Village,
why should we be in Babusnica?

bye nsarski...
RumuUn RumuUn 11:16 19.09.2007

Re: Nato deal

Ah I see that the stage is set for the new Kosovo battle, Semele has cast the roles: we have "the heroes", "the traitors" and herself as the new Kosovo girl, all the way from London of course .

Could queeria be new kosovo girl?
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 11:23 19.09.2007

Re: Nato deal

RumuUn
Ah I see that the stage is set for the new Kosovo battle, Semele has cast the roles: we have "the heroes", "the traitors" and herself as the new Kosovo girl, all the way from London of course .

Could queeria be new kosovo girl?

Ask Semele! After all, it's her party's movie
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 11:27 19.09.2007

Re: The new Kosovo battle

semele
Well, if the US is fighting for its security in Afghanistan,
why shouldn't we fight for our security in Kosovo?

If we are in the Global Village,
why should we be in Babusnica?

bye nsarski...

Hey, I'm just admiring the bravery of fighting for Kosovo from London., nothing more.
I thought you people supported anti globalists like Kuturica
semele semele 11:37 19.09.2007

Re: The new Kosovo battle

One can be against "globalisation" but we ARE in the Global Village of the internet world.

Arhiva

   

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