Učinak "suverene demokratije"...

Drago Kovacevic RSS / 22.01.2009. u 12:23

Do jučer mi ništa nisu značila imena Stanislava Markelova i Anastasje Baburove. Verovatno ni vama. To dvoje mladih ljudi ubijeni su 19. januara ove godine u centru Moskve, u po bela dana, na veliki pravoslavni praznik Bogojavljenje i u neposrednoj blizini hrama Hrista Spasa. Oboje su Rusi. Stanislav je imao 34 a Anastasja 25 godina.

On je bio advokat i borac za ljudska prava a ona novinarka lista Novaja Gazeta, istih onih novina za koje je radila Ana Politkovska, također ubijena prošle godine.

Ana Politkovska je nekim nitima bila vezana i za pokojnog Stanislava. Naime, ona je pre nego što će biti ubijena javno hvalila i uzimala za svetao primer Merkalova kao jedinog advokata koji se stavljao na stranu i zastupao žrtve iz Čečenije.

Tog 19. januara 2009. godine Stanislav i Anastasja bili su na konferenciji za štampu na kojoj je Stanislav govorio o skandaloznom pustanju iz zatvora pukovnika Jurija Budanova, najvišeg oficira ikada osuđenoga za zločine koje su ruske bezbednosne snage počinile u Čečeniji. Suđenje pukovniku Budanovu trajalo je veoma dugo, imalo česte preokrete, a presuda kojom je osuđen na 10 godina,  burno je odjeknula u ruskoj javnosti, naročito među vojnim i nacionalističkim krugovima, gde je shvaćena uvredom i rukavicom bačenom u lice. Stanislav je zastupao porodicu osamnestogodišnje Čečenke, jedne od pukovnikovih žrtava, za koju je dokazano da ju je lično, rukama zadavio.Razlog -nije mu priznala da je snajperista. Porodica te nesretne devojke je morala emigrirati u Norvešku jer je pukovnik na suđenju pretio njenom ocu. Treba naglasiti još nešto, što nam je tako poznato. Navijači moskovske "Lokomotive" su po saznanju da je pukovnik pušten iz zatvora na tribinama razvili transparent podrške "svome" heroju.

Stanislav Merkalov i Anastasja Baburova nisu hteli da se pomire sa takvim stanjem u ruskome društvu. On je o tome govorio a ona je pisala. Kad su izašli sa konferencije za štampu dočekao ih je ubica i hicima iz oružija sa prigušivačem hladno pobio. Prećeno im je ranije SMS porukama i telefonom. Nisu odustali. Oni su moji heroji, ali njih više nema.

P:S. Anastasja Baburova je jedna od 300 novinarskih žrtava u "suverenoj demokratiji". Zamislite taj skup od 300 ljudi i zamislite slobodu medija u zemlji gde se to dogodilo. Većina tih ubistava je ostalo nerasvetljeno. Ovo je podak koji trebaju imati u glavi naši političari kad nam serviraju priču o uzorima, partnerima, bratstvu i ne znam čemu sve ne...Braća su valjda i oni ubijeni ako se već pominje bratstvo...

 



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switch92 switch92 23:23 23.01.2009

Re: A kada britanci...

Hmmmm, neces valjda da kazes da su Velika Britanija i Rusija iste?


Ne. Zelim da napomenem da ono sto Britanci rade Rusima, to Rusi rade nama. Britanci i Rusi nikada se nisu zvali bracom i nesto preterano voleli(iako su imali koaliciju u WW2), a mi i Rusi smo "kao" braca, oduvek. To sam hteo da demistifikujem.

Kad nas toliko vole, sto nam ne posalju MM. Mi nju ovde "kao" krivicno gonimo. To je toliko nelogicno. Dve nazovi prijateljske zemlje, a jedna daje azil optuzenicima iz ove druge. I da je od Rusa, stvarno nije fer....
NNN NNN 18:03 22.01.2009

Kakva država

Ubijaju novinare, koji kritikuju pukovnika, koga vole "navijači", koji davi golim rukama devojku koja krije snajperistu!
Blade Runner Blade Runner 18:16 22.01.2009

Re: Kakva država

Ubijaju novinare, koji kritikuju pukovnika, koga vole "navijači", koji davi golim rukama devojku koja krije snajperistu!

Dobar scenario za film!!
treger92 treger92 20:27 24.01.2009

Re: Kakva država

Ne razum šta si hteo da kažeš. Pa šta njega briga gde je snajperista. To ti je njbolje objasnio Jočić eks ministar kada se postavilo pitanje gde je Legija bio dok se nije predao on je rekao nije važno važno je da se predao. Tako je takođe javno izjavio za ubice novinara Pantića da ubice nisu imale nameru da ga ubiju da su se malo zanele i da on koji im je platio platio samo da ga zastraše. Od tog vremena novinare više ne računam ukičmenjake već u sisare beskičmenjake. Ja da sam novinar ne bi mi nijedna konferencija zaštampu prola da ne pitam odmah na početku prvo pitanje kad će biti uhvaćene ubice kolega novinara. I u novinama i elektronskim medijima izvaštaj počinjao na pitanje ministru kad će biti rešeni ti slučajevi ministar je blejao 5 minuta i izbegao odgovor.I tako stalno svaki da n u novinam i svim ostalim medijima još jedan dan a nisu uhvaćene ubice.
snaga-pravednih snaga-pravednih 23:23 22.01.2009

Opozicija Putinu ili opozicija Rusiji

Biti protiv zlocina u Ceceniji nije isto kao biti za nezavisnost Cecenije ....Biti opozicija Putinu je legitimno ,aili biti opozicija Rusiji je neprijateljski akt od kojeg se svaka zemlja brani.....Prvo treba analizirati naslov vaseg teksta Ucinak suverene demokratije....Vama je muka zasto je ta pa kakva takva demokratija suverena pa kako ta medjunarodna zajednica ne posalje Ahtisarija da zaradi on jos jednu nobelovu i presudi dali cecenija moze da bude nezavisna ,ali JUNAČE STRAH JE U PITANJU ....zato je Rusija suverena dobro to Upamtite... Razne NVO koje su nicale kao pecurke poslije kise ,koje su po misljenje i Judine srebrenjake isle u zapadne Ambasade...poslije Drzavnicke odluke Putina da niko ko deluje na teritoriju Republike Rusije nemoze primati novac van Rusije zadao je smrtni udarac PRO ZAPADNOM NVO sektoru ,dali je Obama dok se bavio HR ADVOKATUROM mogao donacije da primi van USA proverite prije nego sto osudite taj Putinov potez...Da se jasno izjasnim Ja se gnusam svakog Ubistva ...Niko nema pravo da nekoga lisi Zivota,slobode,imovine bez za to propisanog postupka...U Rusiji je ukinita smrtna kazna ...tako da je pomenuti Zlocin delo kukavica i zlikovaca....Sto se tice pukovnika Budanova on na sudjenju nije dokazao da je pokojna Cecenka bila snajperista ni ja neznam dali je bila ,ako nije kazna je zasluzena ako jeste snajperista ...za snajperiste i placenike ne vazi ni jedna konvencija o postovanju prava ratnih zarobljenika...Treba da znate jednu stvar DA SA DRZAVOM NIKIO NIKAD NIJE IZASAO NA KRAJ...NIKO NIKAD PA NI U RUSIJI seti mo se samo sudjena Rozenbergovima po optuznici da su odali Rusima tajnu A-bombe advokat koji ih je branio je izbacen iz avokadtske komore zbog anti-Americkog istupanja umro je u najvecoj bedi.Setimo se Makartijeve komisije i progona javnih licnosti,glumaca itd ,onda zloglasnog FBI sefa Edgara Huvera ,ubistava Kenedijevih,Martina Lutera Kinga itd Rusija mora prelezati sve decije bolesti demokatije.Isto sto ste vi dodali U post skriptumu da su braca i ubjeni i kad vec pominjete uzore i partenere A sta su to Kovacevicu dansanji uzori u Svijetu daj prosvetli ovaj narod jeli to ABU GRAIB ,GVANTANAMO,UBIJANJE ZA NAFTU JELI TO ,JESULI TO UZORI I PARTNERI
switch92 switch92 00:02 23.01.2009

Re: Opozicija Putinu ili opozicija Rusiji

Bravo Drago,
dobio si upravo registrovanog obozavaoca

,ali JUNAČE STRAH JE U PITANJU ....zato je Rusija suverena


"Udri milicije, celicna pesnice komunizma"

U Rusiji je ukinita smrtna kazna ...tako da je pomenuti Zlocin delo kukavica i zlikovaca....


...inace, ubila bi drzava. bez problema...

Treba da znate jednu stvar DA SA DRZAVOM NIKIO NIKAD NIJE IZASAO NA KRAJ...NIKO NIKAD PA NI U RUSIJI


Naravno, setite se samo Dade Vujasinovic, zamisli samo, udarila na drzavu...
Drago Kovacevic Drago Kovacevic 00:33 23.01.2009

Re: Opozicija Putinu ili opozicija Rusiji

A sta su to Kovacevicu dansanji uzori u Svijetu daj prosvetli ovaj narod jeli to ABU GRAIB ,GVANTANAMO,UBIJANJE ZA NAFTU JELI TO ,JESULI TO UZORI I PARTNERI

Polako, uspori rođače....Čemu ovoliko žuči..Pisao sam samo o nečemu što se dogodilo. Ubili su dvoje mladih ljudi, advokata koji je zastupao žrtve i novinarku od 25 godina u sred grada, istoga časa kad su izašli iz sale gde su držali konferenciju za štampu. I to je jedna od 300 žrtava među noivinarima ovih olovnih godina u "suverenoj demokratiji"...
Tebi se taj sistem sviđa..u redu.....ja ti to ne branim niti te za to prozivam. No, ne mogu da verujem da to opravdavaš raznim drugim zločinima. Kakve veze sa ovim što sam pisao ima Abu - Graib, Gvantenamo, S-300 i Iran, sve te stvari koje si nabrojao žučno. Jeli postojanje svega toga nešto što umanjuje zločin koji se dogodio. Misliš li da su 34 - četvorogodišnji advokat i 25- godišnja novinarka trebali biti likvidirani u centru grada zato što su branili zakon, moral i ljudska prava.Šta je to u njihovoj borbi bilo neljudsko, te ti treba sva ova nabrajalica..
Iz prethodnog posta na koji mi se ne odgovara moglo bi se zaključiti da živiš u SAD..Kažeš "ovde"...zato bi se moglo zaključiti. Akoi si ti tamo, onda je tek od tebe licemerno i meni teže
razumljivo ovo što pišeš. Šta ćeš u tom paklu kad imaš raj u "suverenoj demokrtiji"...
Drago Kovacevic Drago Kovacevic 00:39 23.01.2009

Re: Opozicija Putinu ili opozicija Rusiji

Bravo Drago,
dobio si upravo registrovanog obozavaoca

Samo je promenio nik...
Znam ih kao zlu paru...
Domazet Domazet 23:18 23.01.2009

Ovo stalno preskacem...

Šta ćeš u tom paklu kad imaš raj u "suverenoj demokrtiji"...
Kada putujes Drago? Stvarno nema kraja ni tvom bezobrazluku ni zaslepljenostoi ovih sto ti tapsu. Nego dobro to, da ponovim, kada putujes?
libkonz libkonz 01:14 23.01.2009

Daleko je Rusija

Više me brinu neki komentari odavde. Ludnica je, kanda, otključana. A i dvorska luda se uskoro vraća na posao, kako čujem.
Jelena Milić Jelena Milić 09:23 23.01.2009

kadirovljevi prsti u becu

Related Special Topic Page
Global Organized Crime
By Fred Burton and Ben West

As Umar Israilov, a 27-year-old Chechen political refugee living in Vienna, Austria, returned home on foot after grocery shopping Jan. 13, he spotted two men standing outside his apartment building — one of whom had a gun. Upon spotting the men, Israilov dropped his groceries and fled down Leopoldauer Street in the Floridsdorf neighborhood of Vienna, dodging cars and pedestrians. But the gunman managed to wound Israilov, halting his flight. The two men then approached him in a side alley, where the armed man shot Israilov twice in the head, killing him.

One man has been detained in connection with the killing, which a Stratfor source alleges was carried out by organized criminal assets in Vienna at the behest of Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov and with Kremlin approval. Israilov was an outspoken critic of Kadyrov and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Because of this, Israilov had frequently expressed concerns for his safety and that of his family.

Before seeking asylum in Austria, Israilov fought during the Second Chechen War against Russian forces, which captured him in 2003. Afterward, he served as one of Kadyrov’s bodyguards, a position that gave him a front-row seat to the activities of Kadyrov, who at that time led the militia of his father, then-Chechen President Akhmed Kadyrov. (Ramzan Kadyrov became Chechen president in 2007, three years after his father’s assassination.) Israilov and the younger Kadyrov had a falling-out in 2004, after which Israilov said his former boss tortured him using electric charges.

Israilov fled to the West shortly thereafter, first seeking asylum in Poland and later obtaining asylum in Austria. Once in Europe, he often spoke out against Ramzan Kadyrov, filing complaints about his alleged torture with the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France, and talking to reporters from The New York Times about his experiences. While allegations that Kadyrov and his associates committed torture were not new, Israilov’s former position in Kadyrov’s circle set him apart as a dissident — and marked him as a security risk to his former employers due to his firsthand knowledge of how Kadyrov operates. Israilov reportedly told police in Vienna that he felt threatened and asked for extra security.

Austria has long been a popular place for political asylum-seekers who are facing threats due to their political views; providing adequate protection for all of these dissidents is impossible. Israilov further endangered himself by maintaining a relatively high profile due to his court filings and conversations with journalists. (He might have sought publicity in a bid to support himself and his family financially.)

Chechnya, Russia and the Israilov Killing
According to Israilov’s father, in June 2008 a Chechen visited the younger Israilov, showing him a hit list of 300 Chechens who oppose Kadyrov. Ramzan Kadyrov is well-known for not tolerating detractors, allegedly having ordered the deaths of dissenters before. While spokesmen for Kadyrov have distanced the Chechen president from the Israilov killing, saying the latter did not pose a significant threat to Chechnya, Israilov’s killing could well have been intended as an example to other Chechen dissidents who felt safe abroad. While Chechen dissidents routinely die or disappear under murky circumstances in their country, this is the first time a vocal Chechen dissident has been slain abroad. The brazen nature of Israilov’s killing in particular suggests an effort to highlight the vulnerability of exiled Chechen dissidents.

According to Stratfor sources, agents were not sent from Chechnya to carry out this operation. After getting permission from Moscow for the Israilov killing — Russia keeps a tight grip on Chechnya, so Moscow would interpret a unilateral assassination abroad as subversive — Kadyrov allegedly mobilized organized criminals in Austria to carry out the deed. While it is not clear exactly which organized criminal faction carried out the killing, the man detained in connection with the killing was a Chechen who has lived in Austria for several years under the name Otto Kaltenbrunner. While he has not been charged with anything, the getaway car was registered in his name — suggesting the involvement of Chechen organized crime, which has a strong presence in Russia and Europe as well as in the Caucasus.

As major fighting in the Second Chechen War wound down from 2005 to 2007, many of the militants who had fought the Russians disbanded and fled the country. These soldiers, highly trained and accustomed to using violence to get their way, had limited options beyond putting their skills to use with the various Chechen organized criminal factions that thrived in postwar Chechnya. Chechen gangs are prized for their high level of training and brutality, abilities that have proved very valuable to criminal groups in Russia, the Caucasus and Europe.

The high degree of professionalism in the Israilov killing tends to support the existence of a Chechen organized criminal angle. This professionalism includes the audacity of Israilov’s killers, who attacked in broad daylight on a busy street. It also includes their ability to kill Israilov (himself a militant trained under Kadyrov) without any significant struggle or collateral damage. Moreover, at least a low level of surveillance must have been carried out on Israilov’s residence to confirm that he lived there and to establish his schedule so the attackers could wait for him.

The Chechen leadership has a relationship with Chechen organized crime because of the military and security service background of many Chechen criminals, and because Kadyrov led these militias during the Russo-Chechen wars of the 1990s. Such a relationship could be called on in commissioning a killing in Vienna.

Using hired guns from Austria would allow any foreign entity that ordered the killing to distance itself from the crime. Even if Austrian police managed to track down and initiate a prosecution of those who carried out the killing, arranging the extraditions of suspects from Russia would be virtually impossible without Moscow’s cooperation. Russia has not cooperated with British authorities investigating the killing of Alexander Litvinenko in 2006, for example, and the investigation has turned into a political skirmish in an already-tense relationship between the two countries. Attempting to pursue the Israilov case with Russia probably would bring a similar outcome for Austria: inconclusive findings and weakened relations with a Russia that is asserting itself much more than it did in 2006.

Suspicions of Moscow’s involvement in the assassinations of Russian dissidents by various means have become common in the past three years. Russian organized criminal groups, as well as the Russian domestic security and intelligence service, the FSB, are the most likely culprits behind the increase in high-profile assassinations of Russian dissidents over the last few years. Many of the assassinations have been connected to the issue of Chechnya and alleged human rights abuses there.

The Chechen wars are a sensitive issue for both Russians and Chechens. Those who stir up tales of past offenses by either side are seen as undermining the stability in Chechnya that has come about because of the ongoing alliance between Putin and Kadyrov. The suspicious deaths of individuals (followed by their date of death) who fall into this category include:

Anna Politkovskaya, October 2006. A prominent journalist and critic of the Kremlin, Politkovskaya was in the process of publishing a series condemning the government’s policy in Chechnya. She was shot in the head in her apartment building.
Alexander Litvinenko, November 2006. Litvinenko was a former KGB agent who had defected to the United Kingdom and published books on the internal workings of Putin’s FSB networks, and he was critical of the new Russian state. He was poisoned with radioactive polonium-210.
Ivan Safronov, March 2007. Safronov was a journalist who criticized the state of the Russian military and was accused of leaking military affairs to foreign parties. He allegedly committed suicide by jumping from the fifth floor of his apartment building, though some reports say a person behind him forced him out of the building.
Oleg Zhukovsky, December 2007. Zhukovsky was an executive of the VTB bank, which at the time of his death was being taken over by the state so the Kremlin could handpick its senior officers to oversee many strategic state accounts. Zhukovsky allegedly performed the feat of committing suicide by being tied to a chair and thrown into his swimming pool, where he drowned.
Arkady Patarkatsishvili, February 2008. A wealthy Georgian-Russian businessman, Patarkatsishvili was extensively involved in Georgian politics. Patarkatsishvili died in the United Kingdom of coronary complications that resembled a heart attack. His family and many in Georgia have accused the FSB of involvement, however, saying the FSB has many untraceable poisons at its disposal.
Leonid Rozhetskin, March 2008. Rozhetskin was an international financier and lawyer who held stakes in strategic companies, like mobile phone giant MegaFon. He disappeared while in Latvia after losing Kremlin backing by selling his assets to multiple parties, including some government ministers who are former FSB agents.
Paul Klebnikov, July 2008. The editor of Forbes’ Russian edition, Klebnikov was shot dead in Moscow as he was heading into a subway station. The driver of a stolen car that pulled out of a parking lot and drove toward Klebnikov fired four shots before fleeing the scene.
Ruslan Yamadayev, September 2008. Yamadayev was a Chechen military leader and former member of the State Duma. He was shot in his Mercedes as it was stopped at a red light near the Kremlin in Moscow.
Stanislav Markelov, January 2009. A prominent Russian lawyer who had prosecuted an army colonel convicted of murdering a Chechen woman, Markelov was shot dead along with a journalist in broad daylight on a Moscow street near the Kremlin. He was also involved in the case of Anna Politkovskaya.
Vienna, City of International Intrigue
Vienna has long been a key battleground for international disputes between competing countries’ security and intelligence operatives. No stranger to international intrigue and attacks, the Austrian capital has had a reputation for assassination plots, intelligence gathering and foreign operatives conducting missions against dissidents who thought they were safe living in a Western city in an otherwise peaceful country.

In one example of this tradition, Iranian agents linked to Iran’s Ministry of Intelligence and Security shot and killed three members of a Kurdish delegation conducting negotiations with the Iranian leadership in 1989. Similarly, many cases of espionage between the United States and the Soviet Union unfolded in Vienna, including the cases of Marine Sgt. Clayton Lonetree and Felix Block, who passed information to the Soviets when he was second-in-command at the U.S. Embassy in Vienna. The Israilov case is thus probably only the latest in a long tradition of foreign intrigue.

Austria’s central location between the former Warsaw Pact countries of Czechoslovakia and Hungary and NATO countries of Italy and West Germany, along with Vienna’s official neutrality, made Austria a natural Cold War battleground. The Soviet Union, the United Kingdom and the United States all focused intelligence-gathering capabilities there. And as Cold War battle lines are redrawn with Russia’s resurgence, the significance of places like Vienna re-emerges. Considering that these activities only began to slacken less than 20 years ago, old intelligence networks could be put into operation again with relative ease.

The blurring of the line between Russian intelligence agents and organized crime that occurred during the 1990s means that Russia still has a considerable network around the world, though now, elements of this network also are engaged in criminal activities. This network must be considered when looking at cases like that of Israilov.

Significantly, Austria is home to the largest Chechen refugee population in Europe. An estimated 20,000 Chechens — not all of them legal residents — live in the Central European country; many of them fled the bloody Chechen wars with Russia. In general, ethnic organized criminal outfits flourish among immigrants or refugee populations because they can offer illegal immigrants services that they cannot get from the state. They also flourish there because they can use the immigrant community to operate with more secrecy. This is because many immigrant communities live apart from the indigenous population, often in separate neighborhoods, speak a different language and generally stick together in opposition to their host country’s police services. Additionally, family bonds (intensified when around strangers) strengthen ties within immigrant communities, allowing for the kind of secrecy that lets organized crime thrive.

The establishment of a strong Chechen presence in Austria, along with a pre-existing Russian presence, means that Chechnya and Russia have a long reach in the country. Considering the organized crime-FSB nexus, the increase in politically motivated murders of Russian dissidents and how Moscow most likely was pleased with Israilov’s demise, Russian assets in Vienna could well have been involved in the murder. While Russia is broadly suspected of killing dissidents abroad in recent years, Chechnya is not known to have carried out attacks in the European Union before — meaning the Israilov killing will send chills down the spines of exiled Chechen dissidents.

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Inner Party Inner Party 11:42 23.01.2009

Re: kadirovljevi prsti u becu

Jelena Milić

Global Organized Crime
By Fred Burton and Ben West


BS!

Tom Kadirovu su ovi teroristi ubili oca. Koliko god da ih pobije utoliko bolje za svet i Ceceniju.
A Cecenija pod Kadirovim vec godinama zivi u miru a vidljiv je i ekonomski napredak...
filvas filvas 20:14 24.01.2009

Re: kadirovljevi prsti u becu

To nije nikakvo opravdanje, jer je ovo slucaj drzavnog terorizma. Kao sto Amerika vec decenijama sponzorise ubice u Latinksoj Americi, Africi i na Kosovu, Rusija ima svoje pulene na Kavkazu.
011-495 011-495 02:31 25.01.2009

Re: kadirovljevi prsti u becu

Nekoliko ubistava sa spiska nemaju veze sa politikom Rusije.
P.Hlebnikov iz Forbsa je pisao knjigu o nekim Cecenskim separatistima a misli se i da je mogao da pogine zbog objavljivanja imena i bogatstva nekog iz Cecenskih biznismena a koji to nije hteo, uhvacene navodne ubice su Ceceni.
Ruslan Jamadaev je bio 100% covek ruskih vlasti ali on i njegova braca su odavno u zavadi sa porodicom Kadirev, koja je takodje kao i Jamadaevi prvo bila separatisticka a posle se priklonila centralnoj vlasti.
Ceceni su inace kao nasa nacionalna manjina sa KiM, kod njih je krvna osveta glavni zakon i generalno imaju mnogo slicnosti sa nasom odbeglom pokrajinom.
Gruzin Бадри Патаркацишвили je bio bliski dugogodishnji partner B.Berezovskog i kandidovao se za predsednika Gruzije protiv M.Sakaasvilija koji ga je ubrzo posle toga proglasio kriminalcem i izdajnikom i izdao poternicu za njim. Patarkacisvili je bio vlasnik i najvece novinske/tv kuce Imedi koja je pokusala da se stavi u opoziciju Sakaasviliju ali su bili spreceni na isti nacin kao i StudioB svojevremeno. Inace se uvek pricalo da je bio blizak kriminalnim grupama ili da je njima rukovodio.
Oko B.Berezovskog je jos mnogo partnera poginulo tako da danas prakticno nema nijednog zivog a da je sa njim poceo neki biznis(kao kod J.V.Staljina).
d_sandic d_sandic 10:42 23.01.2009

Bratstvo

Pa to bratstvo ste nam vi, bivši i sadašnji komunisti, decenijama nametali. U školama ste nas učili kako cilj opravdava sredstvo, kako je diktatura proletarijata najumniji oblik vladavine,kako je unutrašnji neprijatelj najopasniji...
wukadin wukadin 12:07 23.01.2009

ispred ruske ambasade

Da se izrazi protest! Ne može to drugačije.
Na mene ne računajte, moram da igram plej-stejšn...

p.s. Čuo sam da se od polonijuma može oćelaviti.
d_sandic d_sandic 12:21 23.01.2009

UK

Podsetio bi sve da su pripadnici britanske bezbednosti, pre par godina upucali momka u glavu u sred bela dana jer je licio na arapina i nesto drzao pod miskom. Posle se ispostavilo da je Brazilac, elektricar bez dosijea.
neny neny 23:15 23.01.2009

proverena formula!

Treba naglasiti još nešto, što nam je tako poznato. Navijači moskovske "Lokomotive" su po saznanju da je pukovnik pušten iz zatvora na tribinama razvili transparent podrške "svome" heroju.


besplatna policija za ugusavanje i zastrasivanje politickih oponenata!
sta mislite zasto miladin kovacevic nesmetano seta i daje intervjue u jednoj tako visokoj drzavnoj ustanovi kao sto je parlament?!
nista nije slucajno i sve je unapred isprojektovano!
da li cemo jos jednom praviti glupi i zatvoriti oci pred necim tako ociglednim?
sve okolne drzave su se obracunale sa tim otpadom ,naterajmo i mi nasu drzavu da ispuni svoju obavezu,a to je da zastiti osnovnu bezbednost i sigurnost gradjana/ki.a to je u atmosferi "lova na vestice" nemoguce.
apsolutno je jasno sta treba ciniti.
Drago Kovacevic Drago Kovacevic 08:35 24.01.2009

Re: proverena formula!

psolutno je jasno sta treba ciniti.

apsolutno je jasno sta treba ciniti.

slažem se...dovesti mladog siledžiju u parlament i od toga praviti događaj, nije samo "guranje prsta u oko" državi kakva je SAD-e, nego jasna poruka kakvu će politiku Srbija voditi.
filvas filvas 18:53 24.01.2009

Re: proverena formula!

slažem se...dovesti mladog siledžiju u parlament i od toga praviti događaj, nije samo "guranje prsta u oko" državi kakva je SAD-e, nego jasna poruka kakvu će politiku Srbija voditi.


Brzo, trk u skloniste!
011-495 011-495 17:26 24.01.2009

Slazem se..

sa Dragom. Ogavno je kada ljudi ginu u sred bela dana i to najverovatnije zbog svog posla koji rade posteno. Nazalost devojka je poginula zato sto je uhvatila ubicu za rukav i pokusala da ga zaustavi.Cilj je bio advokat.
Nego, Rusima fali jos samo da ubiju 2 predsednika,jednog da pokusaju da ubiju, nekoliko senatora i drz.tuzioca., glavnog borca za ljudska prava pa jos druge rase (ili ako nemaju druge rase onda bar nacionalnosti),za zabavu da postave ekspolziv ispod camca pokreta zelenih, svog Makartija sigurno imaju, jos nekoliko sitnica i uci ce na velika vrata u drustvo razvijenih demokratija. Ovako samo novinari stradaju a stvarno nemaju uticaj na desavanja i politicke tokove tako da su to besmislene zrtve.
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 17:35 24.01.2009

Nije fer

Rusija je poznata po tome da im je istorija šupljikava kad se radi o političkim ubistvima.
Ne možeš da nađeš ni lupom da tražiš
011-495 011-495 18:08 24.01.2009

Re: Nije fer

adam weisphaut
Rusija je poznata po tome da im je istorija šupljikava kad se radi o političkim ubistvima.Ne možeš da nađeš ni lupom da tražiš


U pravu ste 100% , nikakve razlike izmedju jednih i drugih. Ali ako mislite da ima, dajte da vidimo tet-a-tet, predsednika za predsednika, vodju pokreta za ljudska prava za takvog istog (ako treba da vidimo ko je koliko robova dovezao kod sebe,pobio urodjenika,...), ili ne moramo da igramo sah tipa figura za figuru nego da proglasimo remi 'odma?
Lepo B.Obama rece na inauguraciji, da se nece izvinjavati za american way of life a da ce oni koji se ne slazu biti "porazeni". Ne rece samo koliko smemo da se ne slazemo a da ne budemo porazeni,ili ne smemo uopste. Pravi demokratski govor,pun razumevanja prema svima osim prema neistomisljenicima. Slazem se sa njim i kada imperija padne kao sto su i sve druge pre nje padale nikome nece biti zao sto ih vise nema-svakome je svoja kosulja bliza.
U Alan Fordu bi Grunf nosio majcu sa natpisom American Democracy or die ili nesto slicno.
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 18:39 24.01.2009

Re: Nije fer

U pravu ste 100% , nikakve razlike izmedju jednih i drugih.

Možda koji desetak miliona razlike?
I interesantno da se baš toliko fokusirate na istoriju.
Ja bih radije da govorimo o ovom sada.
deset_slukom deset_slukom 18:49 24.01.2009

Re: Nije fer

adam weisphaut
Možda koji desetak miliona razlike?


To nisu bila ubistva, nego sanitarni odstrel.
011-495 011-495 01:34 25.01.2009

Re: Nije fer

adam weisphaut
U pravu ste 100% , nikakve razlike izmedju jednih i drugih.Možda koji desetak miliona razlike?I interesantno da se baš toliko fokusirate na istoriju.Ja bih radije da govorimo o ovom sada.


Steta, nije bilo toliko indijanaca. Ali ja vas razumem vi niste bili rodjeni u doba kada se u SAD desavalo to sto se desavalo pa i nije interesantno ali ocekujete od drugih da uskoce iz totalirizma u belu i meku kao pamuk demoratiju za 1-2-5 godina. Pogledajte nas,Hrvate,Turke. Kada je ukinuto ropstvo u SAD a kada segregacija? U zivotu jedne drzave, moze da se kaze da se to desilo juce ujutru a Rusi izasli iz totalitarnog rezima jutros.
adam weisphaut adam weisphaut 07:47 25.01.2009

Re: Nije fer



Steta, nije bilo toliko indijanaca

Još malo pa će te da odete u paleolit.
U zivotu jedne drzave, moze da se kaze da se to desilo juce ujutru a Rusi izasli iz totalitarnog rezima jutros.

Ne volim te priće o Državi (uvek sa velikim D) za koju su eoni piš-pauza, uvek me podseti na Vojislava K.
Više volim da stavim stvari u perspektivu, da je rođen pre samo 50ak godina bi Obama bio in the back of the bus,
danas je the commander in chief. 50 godina je dovoljno za veliki promenu, a recimo gorepomenuti
glavnog borca za ljudska prava pa jos druge rase
je i svojim životom doprineo toj borbi. Sva sreća da je bilo kakav napor takve vrste sasečen u korenu u Putinovoj Rusiji.
011-495 011-495 02:32 26.01.2009

Re: Nije fer

adam weisphaut
Steta, nije bilo toliko indijanacaJoš malo pa će te da odete u paleolit.
U zivotu jedne drzave, moze da se kaze da se to desilo juce ujutru a Rusi izasli iz totalitarnog rezima jutros.Ne volim te priće o Državi (uvek sa velikim D) za koju su eoni piš-pauza, uvek me podseti na Vojislava K.Više volim da stavim stvari u perspektivu, da je rođen pre samo 50ak godina bi Obama bio in the back of the bus,danas je the commander in chief. 50 godina je dovoljno za veliki promenu, a recimo gorepomenuti
glavnog borca za ljudska prava pa jos druge raseje i svojim životom doprineo toj borbi. Sva sreća da je bilo kakav napor takve vrste sasečen u korenu u Putinovoj Rusiji.


Ne volim da se ponavljam ali kada bas insistirate. Molicu odgovor na pitanje Kada je ukinuto ropstvo u SAD a kada segregacija? I opet se slazem sa vama 50 godina je taman, imamo jos 30 godina da cekamo Rusiju i da vidimo sta i kako. Pretpostavljam da ce veci dogadjaj da bude kada opet katolik postane predsednik SAD, pa jos ako ga ne ubiju za mandata bice odlicno za CV najdemokratije.
treger92 treger92 23:02 24.01.2009

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