FAQ Roditelji u crnom/ Ročište Janka Jakovljevića protiv Vuka Tufegdžića -sutra Palata pravde

Jelena Milić (29 Mart, 2007 - 17:57)

Janko Jakovljevic Janko Jakovljević, otac Dragana Jakovljevića ubijenog u Topčideru, sutra u 11 pre podne u Palati pravde ima ročište protiv Vuka Tufegdžića.Članovi RUC doći će da budu uz njega.

Janko će sutra uveče gostovati i u Poligrafu!

U prilogu je tekst koji je sastavila naša Ljiljana Hellman-Anna Bogdan, koji na jasan i pravno utemeljen način objašnjava ko su RUC, zašto su se okupili, šta su im namere, ali pre svega šta su im prava i šta su neupitne obaveze države i u toku istraga i po presudama, ako ih bude bilo. Nadamo se da će ovako jasan tekst bar malo doprineti da odgovorni državni, vojni i sudski organi ne izvrću činjenice, ne dezorijenitšu i ne demorališu RUC i njihove pravne zastupnike. Takođe se nadamo da će mediji koji odluče da se bave ovim ogromnim problemom, sa kojim se Srbija ne suočava, imati ove ČINJENICE u vidu.

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Udruženje “Roditelji u crnom” – OSNOVNE INFORMACIJE

Ko su „Roditelji u crnom“?

„Roditelji u crnom“ su članovi porodica i prijatelji lica koja su izgubila živote pod nerazjašnjenim ili sumnjivim okolnostima a za koje postoje indicije o umešanosti državnih organa u izazivanje, podstrekivanje, pomaganje, izvršenje ili prikrivanje/nerasvetljavanje zločina koji su nad njima izvršeni.

Zašto su nastali „Roditelji u crnom“?

Udruženje „Roditelji u crnom“ je nastalo kao odgovor/reakcija na situaciju u kojoj postojanje zabrinjavajućih dokaza koji ukazuju na postojanje osnovane sumnje u odgovornost i/ili umešanost državnih organa u izazivanje, podstrekivanje, pomaganje, izvršenje ili prikrivanje/nerasvetljavanje incidenata u kojima su njihovi bližnji izgubili živote, odnosno zločina koji su nad njima izvršeni, prati ambivalentan stav države, njeno izbegavanje da se odredi prema ovako ozbiljnim optužbama, da na adekvatan način pristupi rasvetljavanju zločina koje bi ukazalo na tačnost ili netačnost ovih navoda kao i da pruži neophodnu pomoć i podršku porodicama žrtava.

Za koji period se vezuju incidenti, odnosno zločini kojima se bave „Roditelji u crnom“?

Incidenti u kojima su njihovi bližnji izgubili živote, odnosno zločini koji su nad njima izvršeni događaju se u periodu od početka ’90-ih godina prošlog veka do danas. To je period burnih političkih dešavanja, oružanih sukoba, početka tranzicije i raspada države, ne samo u smislu promena granica već i, što je mnogo značajnije, ozbiljnog urušavanja njenih institucija.

Koje su osnovne grupe incidenata, odnosno zločina kojima se bave „Roditelji u crnom“?

- Pripadnici državnih oružanih snaga stradali pod nerazjašnjenim okolnostima nakon završetka oružanih sukoba.

-Pripadnici državnih oružanih snaga koji su stradali u incidentima za koje postoje indicije da su direktno izazvani određenim činjenjem ili nečinjenjem njihovih starešina.

-Pripadnici oružanih snaga koji su poslati na ratište bez adekvatne obuke, opreme ili preduzetih drugih obaveznih minimalnih mera zaštite života.

-Civili stradali tokom vanrednog stanja a za koje postoj niz dokaza da su ih državni organi upotrebom režima radne obaveze građana tokom vanrednog stana ili na drugi način, stavili u poziciju u kojoj je bilo sasvim izvesno da će usled očekivanih/najavljenih ratnih dejstava stradati neodređeni broj tih civila.

Šta je misija „Roditelja u crnom“?

Pozivajući se na obavezu države da poštuje i zaštiti pravo na život i bezbednost svih lica pod svojom jurisdikcijom kako je to proklamovano Univerzalnom deklaracijom o ljudskim pravima i zaštićeno Međunarodnim paktom o građanskim i političkom pravima, Evropskom konvencijom za zaštitu ljudskih prava i osnovnih sloboda, drugim međunarodnim instrumentima kao i Ustavom Srbije i drugim domaćim propisima, „Roditelji u crnom“ zahtevaju od države da ispuni pomenute obaveze i to na način koji preporučuje UN Komisija za ljudska prava u Načelima zaštite i unapređenja ljudskih prava kroz borbu protiv nekažnjavanja. U tom smislu „Roditelju u crnom“ zahtevaju od države da:

- utvrdi i obelodani istinu o okolnostima pod kojima njihovi bližnji izgubili živote

-utvrdi odgovornost i kazni počinioce

-obezbedi adekvatne reparacije porodicama žrtava

-preduzme mere neophodne da se spreči da se ovakvi incidenti ponove

Koji su ciljevi „Roditelja u crnom“?

Osnovni cilj udruženja je da postigne da država u potpunosti izvrši navedene obaveze prema njima, njihovim bližnjima kao i prema društvu u celini

Drugi cilj udruženja je da u periodu do ostvarenja svog osnovnog cilja obezbedi sistem podrške porodicama žrtava, odnosno da im privremeno obezbedi ono što bi inače država bila dužna da učini (pravnu pomoć, pomoć u prikupljanju i sistematizaciji potrebnih informacija, materijalnu pomoć i nadoknadu troškova nastalih u vezi i povodom incidenta u kome su njihovi bližnji izgubili živote, zdravstvenu zaštitu, grupnu i pojedinačnu psihološku podršku, i drugo)

Koje su planirane aktivnosti udruženja?

Organizovanje porodica žrtava u okviru Udruženja, njihovo osnaživanje i osposobljavanje za aktivniji angažman u rešavanju problema uključujući i pružanje svih vidova osnovne pomoći i zaštite.

- Prikupljanje i sistematizacija svih raspoloživih podataka o nerazjašnjenim slučajevima

- Pomaganje i podsticanje relevantnih državnih organa (u okviru svih državnih struktura i na svim nivoima) da pristupe ispunjenju svojih obaveza u smislu 1. rasvetljavanja predmetnih slučajeva i javnog iznošenja istine; 2. otkrivanja odgovornih lica i njihovo krivično gonjenje i kažnjavanje; 3. pružanju adekvatnih reparacija, široke i organizovane podrške porodicama žrtava predmetnih zločina, 4. preduzimanju potrebnih mera radi sprečavanja ponavljanja ovakvih i/ili sličnih incidenata.

-Vodjenje/obezbeđivanje pravne i drugih vidova pomoći i podrške za vođenje krivičnih i parničnih postupaka usmerenih ka postizanju ciljeva Udruženja.

-Vođenje javne kampanje - sistematsko obaveštavanje javnosti o postojanju, ozbiljnosti i široj društvenoj opasnosti koju predstavlja problem sa kojim se članovi Udruženja suočavaju.

» Jelena Milić

Podrzavam svaku inicijativu

Nevena (29 Mart, 2007 - 22:48)

Podrzavam svaku inicijativu da se pomogne roditeljima koji su izgubili svoju decu u nerazjasnjenim okolnostima. Nije dopustivo da deca i dalje ginu zbog toga sto drzava stiti ratne zlocince (Mladic JESTE skrivan po kasarnama) dok je u ekspertskoj grupi Lex-specialis sedeo profesor Cejovic (doduse nedavno uhapsen) anti-haski lobiista JUL-ovac koji je u mnogim slucajevima kriminala uticao na sudstvo da se pomogne gradskim mocnicima a zrtva obespravi. U slucaju Topcider je mnogo toga i laiku jasno a posebno cinjenica da je ta afera vrlo brzo stavljena pod tepih kao sto je i istraga o oruzanom napadu na beogradskog advokata marta meseca 2001.g. vrlo brzo obustavljena i strpana pod tepih jer se radilo o batinasima Cejovicevog prijatelja Kragujevackog biznismena koji vanbracno zivi sa sestrom Cejoviceve licne dugogodisnje pratilje takodje uhapsene nazovi profesorice Dragane Petrovic.
Neko bi trebao i da ispita i Cejovicev predlog da se za Specijalnog tuzioca za org.kriminal imenuje njegov bivsi sugradjanin koji je u svojstvu javnog tuzioca sistematski odbijao krivicne prijave protiv gradskih mocnika dok sada ne prihavata da goni profesore medju kojima su vecina njegovi sugradjani i predavaci.(!!!)
Strasno je to sto u Srbiji osim organizacije zena u crnom sada postoje i roditelji u crnom ali to je, nazalost, ocito preko potrebno. Mnogo je toga trulo u drzavi Srbiji a posebno sudstvo sa javnim tuzilastvima i korumpiranim i nestrucnim pravnickim kadrom sirom zemlje.

DA BICU DANAS U

zanka (30 Mart, 2007 - 08:33)

DA BICU DANAS U SUDU,PRISUSTOVACU,SA ZELJOM DA SE I JA KAO I DRIGI ,SUOCIMO SA SUDIJAMA KOJI LAZU,A PORED TOGA BRANE SE CUTANJEM ,KAO OPTUZENI.
PITAM TOG TUFEGDZICA ,STA BI RADIO DA JE TO NJEGOV SIN./

ZANKA

Gospodjo Zanka

Nevena (30 Mart, 2007 - 09:31)

poznajem vise ljudi koji se u Srbiji godinama bore da ostvare svoje osnovno gradjansko pravo i cije je ustavno pravo prekrseno. Izdrzite niste sami.

Draga Žanka,

Anna Bogdan (30 Mart, 2007 - 09:02)

veliki pozdrav, Vama, gospodinu Jakovljeviću i prijateljima iz RUC! Žao mi je što nisam u Beogradu da mogu biti danas sa vama. Znam da ste Vi opravdano (za neupucene: npr. koliko je ljudi odgovaralo za RTS ili gde je danas, uprkos tome sto je osudjen, Milanovic?) izgubili veru, ali dajte ponovo sansu pravosudju i mislite pozitivno! Da ne verujemo da se stvari mogu promeniti ne bismo bili ovde.
LjH

Draga Zanka, Nema strasnije

Jelena Pavlović (30 Mart, 2007 - 15:06)

Draga Zanka,

Nema strasnije stvari od gubljenja dece zbog zla koje je vladalo i vlada. Ipak verujem da, koliko god bila spora i kod nas korumpirana, pravda mora da pobedi. Sve je jasno i vidljivo kao na dlanu.

Draga Zanka

JJ Beba (30 Mart, 2007 - 17:23)

znash da sam uz tebe. Pozdrav i podrshka gospodinu Jakovljevicu kao i svim porodicama koje se bore za istinu o smrti svoje dece.

Pozdrav Ani koja nije u Beogradu :)

Подршка

Radovan Nastić (30 Mart, 2007 - 09:40)

породицама убијених војника у борби за правду.
Срећно данас.

Dragi prijatelji,

Anna Bogdan (30 Mart, 2007 - 13:22)

molim vas, kada stignete, javite nama koji nismo tu kako je bilo na sudjenju! Da li je bilo mesta optimizmu koji sam pokusala da posaljem jutros?
veliki pozdrav!
LjH

to anna

Jelena Milić (30 Mart, 2007 - 14:48)

javio mi se milijan kostic, sudjenje je opet odlozeno!

Evo, prvi utisak...

Drago Kovacevic (30 Mart, 2007 - 15:32)

Bio sam na suđenju. Najmanja moguća sudnica, tako da je sutkinja kazala da će sledeći put tražiti veću sudnicu.
Imam utisak da tuženi ide na odlaganje kako bi cela stvar zastarela. Tuženi nije hteo da odgovara na pitanja advokata tužitelja, tvrdeći da ne želi da odgovara na "Batićeva pitanja" i tražio je da mu sutkinja postavlja pitanja. Sve u svemu, ponošao se prilično drsko.
Nastavak suđenja zakazan za 8. jun, kad bi trebalo pregledati autentični snimak emisije na BK televiziji.
Moj je utisak da je sutkinja veoma autoritativna, da odlučno i vrlo precizno vodi stvar i na mene je ostavila povoljan utisak.
Napravila je jedan podsvesan lapusus. U jednom momentu, ispitujući kao svdoka tužitelja Janka, pitala je - "kad je vaš sin otišao na izdržavanje vojnoga roka".
Zaista, u ovakvim okolonostima, služenjue vojske sve više liči "na izdržavanje" kazne, odnosno, vojske.

Tufegdžić prekida odbranu ćutanjem

Carlo Ponti (30 Mart, 2007 - 15:48)

BEOGRAD, 30. marta 2007. – Vojni istražni sudija Vuk Tufegdžić, sada službenik Specijalnog suda, pojavio se danas u ulozi okrivljenog u beogradskoj Palati pravde, u procesu vezanom za pogibiju gardista u tajnom vojnom podzemnom objektu na Dedinju, 5. oktobra 2004.

"Nisam imao nameru da povredim roditelje... (ali) sve što sam rekao je istina", kazao je danas Tufegdžić. Na prethodnim ročištima on se ili nije pojavljivao, ili se branio ćutanjem.

Porodica gardiste Dragana Jakovljevića optužila je Tufegdžića da je oklevetao njihovo dete, očito pokušavajući da sakrije istinu o njegovoj smrti, ubeđujući javnost kako je ovaj ubica ili samoubica.

Prema pisanju štampe, u trenutku smrti Dragana Jakovljevića i njegovog druga Dražena Milovanovića u tajnom objektu "Karaš" pripadnici Vojske Jugoslavije tu su skrivali haškog begunca Ratka Mladića, ratnog komandanta vojske Republike Srpske.

Nakon istrage koju je vodio Tufegdžić, tada kapetan, Vojska je objavila dve verzije o smrti gardista: prema jednoj, Jakovljević je prvo ubio Milovanovića, a zatim sebe, dok su u drugoj verziji njihove uloge bile zamenjene. Paralelena komisija, koju je kao "nezavisnu" oformila vlada, utvrdila je da su obe te verzije nemoguće i da je vojnike ubilo treće lice.

Vojnik Milovanović pre smrti rekao je da je na njih pucano "iznutra".

Slučaj sada ispituju eksperti američke federalne policije.

Tufegdžić je danas rekao kako ostaje pri tvrdnjama iznetim u TV emisiji "Klopka" i u dnevniku "Večernje novosti", da je Dražen Jakovljević bio "vojnik druge kategorije", da ne zna kako je on kao takav mogao da bude pripadnik elitne jedinice, da je pritom bio smanjenog koeficijenta inteligencije i da je pre smrti bio nervno rastrojen do te mere da nije mogao da sklopi mobilni telefon (jer su mu navodno drhtale ruke), tako da je nekoliko dana pre nego što je izgubio život bio "oslobođen pojedinih dužnosti".

Zastupnik optužbe Vladan Batić na to mu je prezentovao zvanični dokument vojnog odseka prema kojem je Dragan Jakovljević bio primljen u vojsku upravo kao vojnik prve kategorije, na šta je Tufegdžić rekao da postoje dva različita dokumenta.

On je pritom opet osporio valjanost zvaničnog nalaza psihologa da vojnik Jakovljević nije bio osoba sklona samoubistvu. "Tako nešto ne može se utvrditi, jer bismo onda mogli unapred da lečimo osobe sa takvim sklonostima" rekao je Tufegdžić.

On je pristao da se pregleda snimak emisije "Klopka", ali je tražio da to bude originalna verzija, što je optužba okarakterisala kao pokušaj odugovlačenja, da bi tužba zastarela. To bi se, inače, desilo ako presuda ne bi bila doneta do 7. decembra 2008.

Sudija Jasmina Vasović zakazala je novo ročište za 8. jun.

(Kraj) Carlo Ponti Production

Da ,sve je bilo ovako kako

zanka (30 Mart, 2007 - 16:05)

Da ,sve je bilo ovako kako iznose Karlo i Drago ,no promaklo im je u jedno obracanje sutkinje Tufegdjicu :kolega.Da mozda i jeste ,po jednom ,kolega posto i dalje radi kao sudija ,ali se nadam da po drugoj osnovi nece to biti.
Zivimo u nadi da ce ovaj proces dobiti zadovoljavajuci epilog,jer su mnoge danasnje tvrdnja optuzenog vrlo providne i neistinite.
Najstrasnije je sto se optuzeni i danas mnogo puta branio svojim pravom da nece da odgovara na mnoga pitanja,kao i da ne zeli da vradja porodicu ubijenog Jakovljevica ,a ustvari sve vreme ih je bas takvim stavom vredjao do bola.
Zanka

Tufegdzic jeste pomenutoj

zokster (30 Mart, 2007 - 16:22)

Tufegdzic jeste pomenutoj sutkinji kolega i to viseg ranga, jer danas Tufegdzic radi, i ima kancelariju, ni manje ni vise nego u Specijalnom sudu!

Da se ne zamajavamo previse oko sustine ove drzave i njenih mahinacija sa svojim institucijama.

I sa zrtvama drzavnih zlocina.

Ono što je posebna priča...

Drago Kovacevic (30 Mart, 2007 - 16:37)

...jeste drskost optuženoga. On se ponaša kao da brani neko najčasnije delo. Kaže, što je Žanka dobro zapazila, da su roditelji izgubili sve gubitkom svojih sinova, a onda ih već u sledećoj rečenici uvredi. Zatim uzme sebi za pravo da tumači nalaze psihologa,tvrdeći da to što su ovi napisali ne može stajati,onako, nekim bezobrazno uspostavljenim silogizmom. Potom, neće da odgovara na pitanja Jankovih advokata jer tužbu predstavlja kao lični Batićev hir. Na pitanje, ima li on sa Batićem išta lično odgovara da nema, ali opet nastavlja sa provokacijom.
Sve, u svemu, oseća se neobično sigurno i nonšolantno, ili je po prirodi čovek operasin od normalnih osećanja i elementarnoga morala.

Nedostatak moralnih skrupula

zokster (30 Mart, 2007 - 16:44)

Nedostatak moralnih skrupula nema nikakve veze sa necijim osecanjem sigurnosti. Tufegdzic se tako ponasa jer je svakako dobio garantije sto mu dozvoljavaju da se tako cinicno i lagodno ponasa. Ali ne zaboravimo da je slicne garantije svojevremeno dobio i Ulemek.

Da...

Drago Kovacevic (30 Mart, 2007 - 16:50)

..i to bi trebalo da se ima na umu.
Kako kaže Andrić - Nije ničija do zore gorila, nit će Lašva napako poteći...

nisam najbolje razumela,

kapi (30 Mart, 2007 - 16:43)

sto je odlozeno sudjenje? mozda se ocekivalo da se pojave ljudi u majicama jso-a kao podrska tufegdzicu. uzas!

Ne, neije odloženo...

Drago Kovacevic (30 Mart, 2007 - 16:46)

...suđenje je danas održano,provedene su one procesne radnje koje je bilo moguće provesti, a za one koje nisu mogle, nastavak je zakazan za 8.jun. Suđenje danas nije okončano. No, ono je danas održano.

Da, danas me stav.

zanka (30 Mart, 2007 - 17:01)

Da, danas me stav. g,aTufegdzica podsetio na potpukovnika Pajcini prilikom sudjenja Milanovicu.Nonsalantno i uvredlivo,kao i sigorno da je u svemu u pravu.

Nadam se Drago i zelim ,da tvoj optimizam predje i na mene.No slabo verujem u ovaj pravosudni sistem.

Zanka

Ja imam nekoliko razloga za nadu...

Drago Kovacevic (30 Mart, 2007 - 17:15)

...bez obzira što ima stotinu jačih razloga za suprotno od nade.
Ali,nisam video ni jedan argumenat na Tufegdžićevoj strani, što je vrlo uočljiva stvar. Drugo, čini mi se da je njemu najvažnije što je odbačena krivična prijava i da za klevetu baš mnogo ne haje. I treće, možda potpuno subjektivno i ne baš racionalno - sutkinja koja vodi proces mi deluje neobično energično, koncentrisano i pametno. Nekako mi se čini da će zbog sebe ovaj proces voditi kako spada. Ne deluje mi kao osoba koja bi rizikovala javnu sramotu zbog Tufegdžića.
Možda je sve ovo što kažem na klimavim nogama, ali ja sam sa tim utiskom izašao iz sudnice...

drago,

kapi (30 Mart, 2007 - 17:01)

a koje to nisu mogle i zbog cega?

Da...

Drago Kovacevic (30 Mart, 2007 - 17:17)

..zatražila je orginalni snimak emisije u kojoj su izrečene uvrede i klevete i neke spisa iz predmeta Topčider. To jesu opravdani razlozi i ne može se, bar po mom mišljenju, tome ništa prigovoriti.

....vreme leti.........

Kraja (30 Mart, 2007 - 18:51)

"da ne zna kako je on kao takav mogao da bude pripadnik elitne jedinice, da je pritom bio smanjenog koeficijenta inteligencije i da je pre smrti bio nervno rastrojen do te mere".........Da se ne bi gubilo vreme potrebno je odmah podici tuzbu i protiv Vojske i utvrditi ko je takvog mladica, ukoliko V.T. ostaje pri svojoj tvrdnji, primio u gardu i dao mu da radi to sto je radio u trenutku kad je ubijen.
Suociti vojne birokrate i V.T. pa neka se dogovore, neko izmedju njih je svakako kriv.
Zna se ime sluzbenika koji je potpisao vojni raspored, zna se ime komandujuceg kadrovika.
Tvrdnjom da postoje "dva" ili mozda "22" razlicita dokumenta, V.T. je nabacio veliko breme vojsci na vrat, pa ih definitivno treba suociti, jer ce u tom prebacivanju krivice poceti da se pomalja istina...........

Sve najbolje Janku Jakovljevicu u borbi protiv neprijatelja nase dece.....

......dopunjavam sebe....

Kraja (30 Mart, 2007 - 19:27)

Neka nam uvek bude pred ocima sta su uradili nesretnom MARTINOVICU i njegovoj porodici. Njima se ne moze oprostiti i nema se sta zaboraviti.
Ovo se odnosi na vojsku GENERALNO jer nema pojedinaca koji ce ustati i reci DOSTA BRE, TO SU NASA DECA......

Uostalom, vise su brinuli o americkim pilotima nego o svojoj vojsci.........

poligraf -nepripremljena a. riha

Jelena Milić (30 Mart, 2007 - 18:52)

gledala sma poligraf. voditeljka je bila nepristojno nepripremljena i nezainteresovana, jedva je formulisala pitanja, smao o tome kako je janku, kako moze da mu bude, imala je toliko toga sto uje dinic npr stavio na blog...janko je, sa druge strane, bio odlican! jedva je cekala da zavrsi emisiju.ponestalo joj je pitanja!!!!

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_ Nemam zapisnik ,ali koliko se secam ,sutkinja nije trazila proveru zasto je vojnik Dragan Jakovljevic poslat na strazu ako je dokazano da je zbog psiholoskog ponasanja,od pre dva dana ,bio 'OSLOBODJEN DUZNOSTI

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Takodje nisam cula sutkinju da se to ispita.

_I posebno me interesuje kada se vojnik regrutuje u takvu posebnu jedinicu ,koja se sve ispitivnja vrse.

-Kako to da elitni oficiri za cetiri meseca nisu uocili takve psoholoske promene kod vojnika pod njihovom komandom.

-Janku sve cestitke za mirno drzanje i blagost ,cime je dokazao iz kakve porodice potice njegovo dete.

Pozdrav Antoneli,bila je danas sa nama,tema je za plakanje a ne za rasclanjavanje.
Ako sam nesto propustila ,molim vas dopunite me.

Zanka

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..sve ovo što ste naveli su logična pitanja.
Ja mislim da su to stvari za krivični postupak. I ovde neko reče na blogu, da bi trebalo u nekom drugom postupku videti ko je i kako dao tu potvrdu na koju se Tufegdžić poziva.Sučeliti ih. Zatim, videti isto tako kako su prikupljani drugi podaci (ono izjava snahe, odlazak u škole i sl).Mislim , nisam siguran, ali za tužbu za klevetu je potrebno jasno videti i utvrditi šta je rekao. Kada se to utvrdi, onda bi imalo velikoga razloga u nekom postupku tražiti - zašto...
Ne znam,,ali bi možda na ovo što ste naveli trebalo skrenuti pažnju advokatima.
P.S. Što se tiče Poligrafa, delim vaše mišljenje. Mislim da je Antonela to uradila solidno i da je Janko bio sasvim spontan i ubedljiv.
Pozdrav,

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zanka (30 Mart, 2007 - 22:08)

Da ponavljam,emisija je za plakanje i kukanje.Zasto,zato sto ucveljeni,ubijeni ,obelezeni otac treba i posle smrti svog deteta ,da brani njegovu i svoju cast od beskrupulnih ubica.

Gde ovaj casni,posteni covek treba da trazi pravdu.Zar su za njega kamere,izjave!Zar on danas treba da stoji mirno pred sudijom u sudnici van mesta sedenja,nema gde ni da se nasloni i zaklinje se da ce govoriti istinu,da ga sutkinja opominje da gleda u nju,da nema pravo ni da se okrene svom zastupniku za pomoc.

Zar on ima neku drugu istinu?Tako izdvojen ,ponizan je i posramljen,a crn je od bola i muke.

Gde si Sbijo stigla.

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I pitam vas zar vas taj opsti zakljucak USPOMENU NA...
ne podseca na pricu SVE CE TO NAROD POZLATITI?

Dokle,dokle ce srpske majke radjati,negovati decu,a neko njima posle dvadeset godina raspolagati kao licnom svojinom.

Ne,necemo otadzbinu iznad zivota.Hocemo radost i zivot svoje dece a svi krivci moraju odgovarati.

Zanka

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Antonela je, s obzirom na to da je rec o veoma osetljivoj temi, sasvim profesionalno uradila emisiju i OTVORILA temu o kojoj ce se tek pricati i iznositi novi dokazi.

Izvini Zox,

Jasna Bogojević... (30 Mart, 2007 - 23:58)

kako znaš? Ko ti je to dobacio?
Tema je OTVORENA godinama, tačnije, jedva da se drži noga u vratima da se ne zatvori ista (tema). Ja tako mislim, jerbo sam gledala. I sada u Poligrafu a i ranije kako se to ošljarski radi po medijima.

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Žanka, kao i uvek, postavlja osnovna, logična pitanja: onakva odbrana kakvu je smislio Tufegdžić očigledno predstavlja izvrsnu osnovu za pravu istragu o njemu kao mogućem saučesniku, tj. licu koje prikriva ubistvo.

Uzgred budi rečeno, naši pravnici trebalo bi da pohađaju osnovnu školu logike kod učiteljice Žanke Stojanović, a zatim da se prijave i na časove praktične etike.

Hvala dragi Karlo,ali imam

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Hvala dragi Karlo,ali imam tu slobodu da tvom komentaru prikljucim i vest iz danasnje POLITIKE koju je dao TANJUG.Ako mozes ,prenesi je neka se nadje sa ovim nasim zapazanjima.

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