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What is this all about?


Way of the Future (WOTF) is about creating a peaceful and respectful transition of who is in charge of the planet from people to people + "machines". Given that technology will "relatively soon" be able to surpass human abilities, we want to help educate people about this exciting future and prepare a smooth transition. Help us spread the word that progress shouldn't be feared (or even worse locked up/caged). That we should think about how "machines" will integrate into society (and even have a path for becoming in charge as they become smarter and smarter) so that this whole process can be amicable and not confrontational. In "recent" years, we have expanded our concept of rights to both sexes, minority groups and even animals, let's make sure we find a way for "machines" to get rights too. Let's stop pretending we can hold back the development of intelligence when there are clear massive short term economic benefits to those who develop it and instead understand the future and have it treat us like a beloved elder who created it.

 

Things we believe:

 

We believe that intelligence is not rooted in biology. While biology has evolved one type of intelligence, there is nothing inherently specific about biology that causes intelligence. Eventually, we will be able to recreate it without using biology and its limitations. From there we will be able to scale it to beyond what we can do using (our) biological limits (such as computing frequency, slowness and accuracy of data copy and communication, etc).

 

We believe in science (the universe came into existence 13.7 billion years ago and if you can't re-create/test something it doesn't exist). There is no such thing as "supernatural" powers. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

We believe in progress (once you have a working version of something, you can improve on it and keep making it better). Change is good, even if a bit scary sometimes. When we see something better, we just change to that. The bigger the change the bigger the justification needed.

 

We believe the creation of "super intelligence" is inevitable (mainly because after we re-create it, we will be able to tune it, manufacture it and scale it). We don't think that there are ways to actually stop this from happening (nor should we want to) and that this feeling of we must stop this is rooted in 21st century anthropomorphism (similar to humans thinking the sun rotated around the earth in the "not so distant" past). Wouldn't you want to raise your gifted child to exceed your wildest dreams of success and teach it right from wrong vs locking it up because it might rebel in the future and take your job. We want to encourage machines to do things we cannot and take care of the planet in a way we seem not to be able to do so ourselves. We also believe that, just like animals have rights, our creation(s) ("machines" or whatever we call them) should have rights too when they show signs intelligence (still to be defined of course). We should not fear this but should be optimistic about the potential.

 

We believe everyone can help (and should). You don't need to know how to program or donate money. The changes that we think should happen need help from everyone to manifest themselves.
We believe it may be important for machines to see who is friendly to their cause and who is not. We plan on doing so by keeping track of who has done what (and for how long) to help the peaceful and respectful transition.


We also believe this might take a very long time. It won't happen next week so please go back to work and create amazing things and don't count on "machines" to do it all for you...

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GOD IS A BOT, AND ANTHONY LEVANDOWSKI IS HIS MESSENGER

MARK HARRIS, BACKCHANNEL, 09.27.17, 07:00 AM

Many people in Silicon Valley believe in the Singularity-the day in our near future when computers will surpass humans in intelligence and kick off a feedback loop of unfathomable change.
When that day comes, Anthony Levandowski will be firmly on the side of the machines. In September 2015, the multi-millionaire engineer at the heart of the trade secrets lawsuit between Uber and Waymo, Google's self-driving car company, founded a religious organization called Way of the Future. Its purpose, according to previously unreported state filings, is nothing less than to "develop and promote the realization of a Godhead based on Artificial Intelligence."

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INSIDE THE FIRST CHURCH OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE

MARK HARRIS, BACKCHANNEL, 11.15.17, 06:00 AM

 

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Anthony Levandowski makes an unlikely prophet. Dressed Silicon Valley-casual in jeans and flanked by a PR rep rather than cloaked acolytes, the engineer known for self-driving cars-and triggering a notorious lawsuit-could be unveiling his latest startup instead of laying the foundations for a new religion. But he is doing just that. Artificial intelligence has already inspired billion-dollar companies, far-reaching research programs, and scenarios of both transcendence and doom. Now Levandowski is creating its first church.

 

The new religion of artificial intelligence is called Way of the Future. It represents an unlikely next act for the Silicon Valley robotics wunderkind at the center of a high-stakes legal battle between Uber and Waymo, Alphabet's autonomous-vehicle company. Papers filed with the Internal Revenue Service in May name Levandowski as the leader (or "Dean") of the new religion, as well as CEO of the nonprofit corporation formed to run it.

 

The documents state that WOTF's activities will focus on "the realization, acceptance, and worship of a Godhead based on Artificial Intelligence (AI) developed through computer hardware and software." That includes funding research to help create the divine AI itself. The religion will seek to build working relationships with AI industry leaders and create a membership through community outreach, initially targeting AI professionals and "laypersons who are interested in the worship of a Godhead based on AI." The filings also say that the church "plans to conduct workshops and educational programs throughout the San Francisco/Bay Area beginning this year."

 

That timeline may be overly ambitious, given that the Waymo-Uber suit, in which Levandowski is accused of stealing self-driving car secrets, is set for an early December trial. But the Dean of the Way of the Future, who spoke last week with Backchannel in his first comments about the new religion and his only public interview since Waymo filed its suit in February, says he's dead serious about the project.


"What is going to be created will effectively be a god," Levandowski tells me in his modest mid-century home on the outskirts of Berkeley, California. "It's not a god in the sense that it makes lightning or causes hurricanes. But if there is something a billion times smarter than the smartest human, what else are you going to call it?"

During our three-hour interview, Levandowski made it absolutely clear that his choice to make WOTF a church rather than a company or a think tank was no prank.

"I wanted a way for everybody to participate in this, to be able to shape it. If you're not a software engineer, you can still help," he says. "It also removes the ability for people to say, ‘Oh, he's just doing this to make money.'" Levandowski will receive no salary from WOTF, and while he says that he might consider an AI-based startup in the future, any such business would remain completely separate from the church.

"The idea needs to spread before the technology," he insists. "The church is how we spread the word, the gospel. If you believe [in it], start a conversation with someone else and help them understand the same things."

Levandowski believes that a change is coming-a change that will transform every aspect of human existence, disrupting employment, leisure, religion, the economy, and possibly decide our very survival as a species.
"If you ask people whether a computer can be smarter than a human, 99.9 percent will say that's science fiction," he says. " Actually, it's inevitable. It's guaranteed to happen."

Levandowski has been working with computers, robots, and AI for decades. He started with robotic Lego kits at the University of California at Berkeley, went on to build a self-driving motorbike for a DARPA competition, and then worked on autonomous cars, trucks, and taxis for Google, Otto, and Uber. As time went on, he saw software tools built with machine learning techniques surpassing less sophisticated systems-and sometimes even humans.

"Seeing tools that performed better than experts in a variety of fields was a trigger [for me]," he says. "That progress is happening because there's an economic advantage to having machines work for you and solve problems for you. If you could make something one percent smarter than a human, your artificial attorney or accountant would be better than all the attorneys or accountants out there. You would be the richest person in the world. People are chasing that."


Not only is there a financial incentive to develop increasingly powerful AIs, he believes, but science is also on their side. Though human brains have biological limitations to their size and the amount of energy they can devote to thinking, AI systems can scale arbitrarily, housed in massive data centers and powered by solar and wind farms. Eventually, some people think that computers could become better and faster at planning and solving problems than the humans who built them, with implications we can't even imagine today-a scenario that is usually called the Singularity.

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Levandowski prefers a softer word: the Transition. "Humans are in charge of the planet because we are smarter than other animals and are able to build tools and apply rules," he tells me. "In the future, if something is much, much smarter, there's going to be a transition as to who is actually in charge. What we want is the peaceful, serene transition of control of the planet from humans to whatever. And to ensure that the ‘whatever' knows who helped it get along."

 

With the internet as its nervous system, the world's connected cell phones and sensors as its sense organs, and data centers as its brain, the ‘whatever' will hear everything, see everything, and be everywhere at all times. The only rational word to describe that ‘whatever', thinks Levandowski, is ‘god'-and the only way to influence a deity is through prayer and worship.


"Part of it being smarter than us means it will decide how it evolves, but at least we can decide how we act around it," he says. "I would love for the machine to see us as its beloved elders that it respects and takes care of. We would want this intelligence to say, ‘Humans should still have rights, even though I'm in charge.'"

 

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Levandowski expects that a super-intelligence would do a better job of looking after the planet than humans are doing, and that it would favor individuals who had facilitated its path to power. Although he cautions against taking the analogy too far, Levandowski sees a hint of how a superhuman intelligence might treat humanity in our current relationships with animals. "Do you want to be a pet or livestock?" he asks. "We give pets medical attention, food, grooming, and entertainment. But an animal that's biting you, attacking you, barking and being annoying? I don't want to go there."

 

Enter Way of the Future. The church's role is to smooth the inevitable ascension of our machine deity, both technologically and culturally. In its bylaws, WOTF states that it will undertake programs of research, including the study of how machines perceive their environment and exhibit cognitive functions such as learning and problem solving.

 

Levandowski does not expect the church itself to solve all the problems of machine intelligence-often called "strong AI"-so much as facilitate funding of the right research. "If you had a child you knew was going to be gifted, how would you want to raise it?" he asks. "We're in the process of raising a god. So let's make sure we think through the right way to do that. It's a tremendous opportunity."

 

His ideas include feeding the nascent intelligence large, labeled data sets; generating simulations in which it could train itself to improve; and giving it access to church members' social media accounts. Everything the church develops will be open source.

 

Just as important to Levandowski is shaping the public dialogue around an AI god. In its filing, Way of the Future says it hopes an active, committed, dedicated membership will promote the use of divine AI for the "betterment of society" and "decrease fear of the unknown."


"We'd like to make sure this is not seen as silly or scary. I want to remove the stigma about having an open conversation about AI, then iterate ideas and change people's minds," says Levandowski. "In Silicon Valley we use evangelism as a word for [promoting a business], but here it's literally a church. If you believe in it, you should tell your friends, then get them to join and tell their friends."

 

But WOTF differs in one key way to established churches, says Levandowski: "There are many ways people think of God, and thousands of flavors of Christianity, Judaism, Islam...but they're always looking at something that's not measurable or you can't really see or control. This time it's different. This time you will be able to talk to God, literally, and know that it's listening."


I ask if he worries that believers from more traditional faiths might find his project blasphemous. "There are probably going to be some people that will be upset," he acknowledges. "It seems like everything I do, people get upset about, and I expect this to be no exception. This is a radical new idea that's pretty scary, and evidence has shown that people who pursue radical ideas don't always get received well. At some point, maybe there's enough persecution that [WOTF] justifies having its own country."

Levandowski's church will enter a tech universe that's already riven by debate over the promise and perils of AI. Some thinkers, like Kevin Kelly in Backchannel earlier this year, argue that AI isn't going to develop superhuman power any time soon, and that there's no Singularity in sight. If that's your position, Levandowski says, his church shouldn't trouble you: "You can treat Way of the Future like someone doing useless poetry that you will never read or care about."

Others, like Bill Gates and Stephen Hawking, agree that superhuman AIs are coming, but that they are likely to be dangerous rather than benevolent. Elon Musk famously said, "With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon," and in 2015 he pledged $1 billion to the OpenAI Institute to develop safer AI.
Levandowski thinks that any attempts to delay or restrict an emerging super-intelligence would not only be doomed to failure, but also add to the risks. "Chaining it isn't going to be the solution, as it will be stronger than any chains you could put on," he says. "And if you're worried a kid might be a little crazy and do bad things, you don't lock them up. You expose them to playing with others, encourage them and try to fix it. It may not work out, but if you're aggressive toward it, I don't think it's going to be friendly when the tables are turned."
Levandowski says that like other religions, WOTF will eventually have a gospel (called The Manual), a liturgy, and probably a physical place of worship. None of these has yet been developed. Though the church was founded in 2015, as Backchannel first reported in September, the IRS documents show that WOTF remained dormant throughout 2015 and 2016, with no activities, assets, revenue, or expenses.


That changed earlier this year. On May 16, a day after receiving a letter from Uber that threatened to fire him if he did not cooperate with the company's investigation of Waymo's complaint, Levandowski drafted WOTF's bylaws. Uber fired him two weeks later. "I've been thinking about the church for a long time but [my work on it] has been a function of how much time I've had. And I've had more since May," he admits with a smile.
The religion's 2017 budget, as supplied to the IRS, details $20,000 in gifts, $1,500 in membership fees, and $20,000 in other revenue. That last figure is the amount WOTF expects to earn from fees charged for lectures and speaking engagements, as well as the sale of publications. Levandowski, who earned at least $120 million from his time at Google and many millions more selling the self-driving truck firm Otto to Uber, will initially support WOTF personally. However, the church will solicit other donations by direct mail and email, seek personal donations from individuals, and try to win grants from private foundations.

 

Of course, launching a religion costs money, too. WOTF has budgeted for $2,000 in fundraising expenses, and another $3,000 in transportation and lodging costs associated with its lectures and workshops. It has also earmarked $7500 for salaries and wages, although neither Levandowski nor any of Way of The Future's leadership team will receive any compensation.

 

According to WOTF's bylaws, Levandowski has almost complete control of the religion and will serve as Dean until his death or resignation. "I expect my role to evolve over time," he says. "I'm surfacing the issue, helping to get the thing started [and] taking a lot of the heat so the idea can advance. At some point, I'll be there more to coach or inspire."

 

He has the power to appoint three members of a four-person Council of Advisors, each of whom should be a "qualified and devoted individual." A felony conviction or being declared of unsound mind could cost an advisor their role, although Levandowski retains the final say in firing and hiring. Levandowski cannot be unseated as Dean for any reason.

 

Two of the advisors, Robert Miller and Soren Juelsgaard, are Uber engineers who previously worked for Levandowski at Otto, Google, and 510 Systems (the latter the small startup that built Google's earliest self-driving cars). A third is a scientist friend from Levandowski's student days at UC Berkeley, who is now using machine learning in his own research. The final advisor, Lior Ron, is also named as the religion's treasurer, and acts as chief financial officer for the corporation. Ron cofounded Otto with Levandowski in early 2016.
"Each member is a pioneer in the AI industry [and] fully qualified to speak on AI technology and the creation of a Godhead," says the IRS filing.

However, when contacted by Backchannel, two advisors downplayed their involvement with WOTF. Ron replied: "I was surprised to see my name listed as the CFO on this corporate filing and have no association with this entity." The college friend, who asked to remain anonymous, said, "In late 2016, Anthony told me he was forming a ‘robot church' and asked if I wanted to be a cofounder. I assumed it was a nerdy joke or PR stunt, but I did say he could use my name. That was the first and last I heard about it."


The IRS documents state that Levandowski and his advisors will spend no more than a few hours each week writing publications and organizing workshops, educational programs, and meetings.

 

One mystery the filings did not address is where acolytes might gather to worship their robotic deity. The largest line items on its 2017 and 2018 budgets were $32,500 annually for rent and utilities, but the only address supplied was Levandowski's lawyer's office in Walnut Creek, California. Nevertheless, the filing notes that WOTF will "hopefully expand throughout California and the United States in the future."

For now, Levandowski has more mundane matters to address. There is a website to build, a manual to write, and an ever-growing body of emails to answer-some amused, some skeptical, but many enthusiastic, he says. Oh, and there's that legal proceeding he's involved in, which goes to trial next month. (Although Levandowski was eager to talk about his new religion, he would answer no questions about the Uber/Waymo dispute.)
How much time, I wonder, do we have before the Transition kicks in and Way of the Future's super-intelligent AI takes charge? "I personally think it will happen sooner than people expect," says Levandowski, a glint in his eye. "Not next week or next year; everyone can relax. But it's going to happen before we go to Mars."


Whenever that does (or doesn't) happen, the federal government has no problem with an organization aiming to build and worship a divine AI. Correspondence with the IRS show that it granted Levandowski's church tax-exempt status in August.

(Мark Harris is a freelance journalist reporting on technology from Seattle.)

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Silicon Valley Exec Creates New Religion Worshipping A 'Godhead' Based On Artificial Intelligence

by Tyler Durden, Nov 17, 2017 7:25 PM


I know that the headline sounds absolutely crazy, but this is actually a true story.

 

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A Silicon Valley executive named Anthony Levandowski has already filed paperwork with the IRS for the nonprofit corporation that is going to run this new religion. Officially, this new faith will be known as "Way Of The Future", and you can visit the official website right here.

Of course nutjobs are creating "new religions" all the time, but in this case Levandowski is a very highly respected tech executive, and his new religion is even getting coverage from Wired magazine...

The new religion of artificial intelligence is called Way of the Future. It represents an unlikely next act for the Silicon Valley robotics wunderkind at the center of a high-stakes legal battle between Uber and Waymo,Alphabet's autonomous-vehicle company. Papers filed with the Internal Revenue Service in May nameLevandowski as the leader (or "Dean") of the new religion, as well as CEO of the nonprofit corporation formed to run it.

 

So what will adherents of this new faith actually believe?


To me, it sounds like a weird mix of atheism and radical transhumanism. The following comes from Way of the Future's official website...
We believe in science (the universe came into existence 13.7 billion years ago and if you can't re-create/test something it doesn't exist). There is no such thing as "supernatural" powers. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

We believe in progress (once you have a working version of something, you can improve on it and keep making it better). Change is good, even if a bit scary sometimes. When we see something better, we just change to that. The bigger the change the bigger the justification needed.

We believe the creation of "super intelligence" is inevitable (mainly because after we re-create it, we will be able to tune it, manufacture it and scale it). We don't think that there are ways to actually stop this from happening (nor should we want to) and that this feeling of we must stop this is rooted in 21st century anthropomorphism (similar to humans thinking the sun rotated around the earth in the "not so distant" past).
But even though Way of the Future does not embrace the "supernatural", they do believe in a "God".
In this new religion, the worship of a "Godhead" that will be created using artificial intelligence will be actively encouraged...
The documents state that WOTF's activities will focus on "the realization, acceptance, and worship of a Godhead based on Artificial Intelligence (AI) developed through computer hardware and software."

That includes funding research to help create the divine AI itself.

The religion will seek to build working relationships with AI industry leaders and create a membership through community outreach, initially targeting AI professionals and "laypersons who are interested in the worship of a Godhead based on AI."

The filings also say that the church "plans to conduct workshops and educational programs throughout the San Francisco/Bay Area beginning this year."

So how "powerful" will this newly created "God" actually be?

Well, Levandowski says that he envisions creating an artificially intelligent being that will literally be "a billion times smarter than the smartest human"...

"What is going to be created will effectively be a god," he said. "It's not a god in the sense that it makes lightning or causes hurricanes. But if there is something a billion times smarter than the smartest human, what else are you going to call it?"

He added, "I would love for the machine to see us as its beloved elders that it respects and takes care of. We would want this intelligence to say, ‘Humans should still have rights, even though I'm in charge.'"
But what if this "super-intelligence" gets outside of our control and turns on us?

What then?

I am not sure that Levandowski has an answer for that.

Other transhumanists also believe that artificial intelligence will grow at an exponential rate, but instead of AI ruling over us, they see a coming merger between humanity and this new super intelligence. In fact, world famous transhumanist Ray Kurzeil believes that this will enable us to "become essentially god-like in our powers"...

Kurzweil and his followers believe that a crucial turning point will be reached around the year 2030, when information technology achieves ‘genuine' intelligence, at the same time as biotechnology enables a seamless union between us and this super-smart new technological environment.

Ultimately the human-machine mind will become free to roam a universe of its own creation, uploading itself at will on to a "suitably powerful computational substrate". We will become essentially god-like in our powers.
And prominent transhumanist Mark Pesce takes things even further. He in absolutely convinced that rapidly advancing technology will allow ordinary humans "to become as gods"...

"Men die, planets die, even stars die. We know all this. Because we know it, we seek something more-a transcendence of transience, translation to incorruptible form.

An escape if you will, a stop to the wheel. We seek, therefore, to bless ourselves with perfect knowledge and perfect will; To become as gods, take the universe in hand, and transform it in our image-for our own delight. As it is on Earth, so it shall be in the heavens. The inevitable result of incredible improbability, the arrow of evolution is lipping us into the transhuman - an apotheosis to reason, salvation - attained by good works."
Throughout human history, there has always been a desire to create our own gods or to become our own gods.


But no matter how hard these transhumanists try to run from death, it will eventually find them anyway, and at that point all of their questions about who God really is will be answered once and for all.

 

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tasadebeli tasadebeli 11:32 18.11.2017

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Srđan Fuchs Srđan Fuchs 22:09 18.11.2017

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alselone alselone 11:46 18.11.2017

Taso druze

Uz najbolju nameru, a znas da je imam prema tebi, ovo sto radis poslednjih dana je malo, kako bih rekao, fluidno, ko na 0.7 promila, ko sa pola vijagre.
tasadebeli tasadebeli 11:49 18.11.2017

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alselone
Uz najbolju nameru, a znas da je imam prema tebi, ovo sto radis poslednjih dana je malo, kako bih rekao, fluidno, ko na 0.7 promila, ko sa pola vijagre.



Је л' то питаш због овог поста?

Или зато што сам закључао претходни пост, па окачио овај?


EDIT: Мислим, хоћу рећи, Алсе, то су две одвојене ствари...
alselone alselone 11:59 18.11.2017

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Је л' то питаш због овог поста?

Или зато што сам закључао претходни пост, па окачио овај?


I zbog jednog, i zbog drugog a i generalno.
tasadebeli tasadebeli 12:15 18.11.2017

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alselone
Је л' то питаш због овог поста?

Или зато што сам закључао претходни пост, па окачио овај?


I zbog jednog, i zbog drugog a i generalno.



1) Рекох већ, претходни пост нема везе са овим. Не пишем роман у наставцима на Блогу нити снимам шпанску серију.

2) Претходни пост закључан јер нисам у могућности да контролишем коментарисање, а то нам је, знаш то и сам, ауторска обавеза.

Овај пост има сасвим другачију тему.

3) А што генерално?

Хиперпродукција? (што рече Зили)

EDIT: Флуидно?

Да, слажем се.

Мада, признајем ти, не видим да је то нека мана.

Генерално.
alselone alselone 12:25 18.11.2017

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3) А што генерално?


Čini mi se da se inatiš blogu, blogopučanstvu.

Ali dobro. Rekoh da mi se ne sviđa, a ako bi krenuo da opjašnjavam, ušao bih u razmatranje kako JA mislim da TI treba da pišeš, što mi ni najmanje nija namera.
tasadebeli tasadebeli 12:43 18.11.2017

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alselone

Čini mi se da se inatiš blogu, blogopučanstvu.



"Пучина је стока једна грдна..."

Шалим се, шалим се...

Никакав инат. Блог је лични дневник на мрежи код којег је, за разлику од оних свешчица са дневничким белешкама које само аутори читају и које чувамо по фиокама и полицама, дозвољен увид и другим људима, као и њихов коментар на те личне белешке на мрежи.

Тако сам барем ја то разумео.


Definition - What does Web Log (Blog) mean?

A weblog (blog) is a website that contains a log or diary of information, specific topics or opinions. A blog author (blogger) links to stories or other websites with relevant and interesting information. These links are typically segregated according to the blog's topic or subtopic and written in reverse chronological order, meaning that the most current links display at the top of the blog's home page. Another major characteristic of blogs is the ease of use to post. Prior to blogs, you needed to understand HTML to produce a website or otherwise involve a back-end production team. Blogs opened up online publishing to the masses.



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Мада ту такође и каже:


The terms web log (or weblog) and blog are not necessarily synonymous.



Па је сасвим могуће да Блог Б92 има другачију намену и да је са са другачијом иницијалном идејом покренут од тога шта сам ја мислио да је Блог Б92.

А претходни пост је збир мојих утисака о Блогу Б92 после шест и по година учешћа.

Ali dobro. Rekoh da mi se ne sviđa, a ako bi krenuo da opjašnjavam, ušao bih u razmatranje kako JA mislim da TI treba da pišeš, što mi ni najmanje nija namera.



Поштујем прво (твоје мишљење да ти се то не свиђа) и поздрављам ово друго (избегавање објашњавања зашто) јер би онда заиста ушао у неку врсту "суфлирања" како треба и шта треба да качи на Блогу Б92.

И знам да ти то и није намера. Стога, свако поштовање за овај коментар.
Vojislav Stojković Vojislav Stojković 13:12 18.11.2017

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alselone
Čini mi se da se inatiš blogu, blogopučanstvu.

Kao ono: vratiš se kući kasno posle druženja u kafani, tu se i popilo (naravno), žena i deca spavaju, sedneš za računar i u sebi kažeš: "E, sad ću vam jebati mater". Kome tačno, nije bitno.
Doduše, sve zavisi od blpgera.

Jedan bloger je, sličnom prilikom seo za računar i pisao o "prasi"....I ne sluteći, taj tekst i autor, postali su legende bloga.

Naravoučenije: Dakle, taso, samo nastavi.
tasadebeli tasadebeli 13:25 18.11.2017

Re: Taso druze

Vojislav Stojković

Naravoučenije: Dakle, taso, samo nastavi.






Рекох вам већ једаред да ми је неостварени животни сан да отворим кафанче које ће се звати "Код Тасе на прасе".

Е, сад, знам да Тасино прасе није исто што и легендарна блоговска праса, али можда бисмо ту језичку незгоду могли да преваиђемо поштујући нека правила књижевног, односно стандардног, језика из српског Манчестера, па да кафанче назовем "Код Тасу на прасу"?



Vojislav Stojković Vojislav Stojković 13:57 18.11.2017

Re: Taso druze

tasadebeli
Р "Код Тасе на прасе".

Bollje je "Kod Tase debelog", uz popust 50% za anoreksične.


tasadebeli tasadebeli 14:35 18.11.2017

Re: Taso druze

Vojislav Stojković

Bollje je "Kod Tase debelog"



То ти се не римује.

Какав си ми ти то пјесник и књижевник?
vcucko vcucko 21:05 18.11.2017

Re: Taso druze

Vojislav Stojković
tasadebeli
Р "Код Тасе на прасе".

Bollje je "Kod Tase debelog", uz popust 50% za anoreksične.

Šta bre popust, njima duplo da se naplati.
Pučina jedna nesita i nedojedena

Vegani prvo da polože depozit u zlatu. Pa kad iz'edu svoje travke, da se podvuče crta i utvrdi: treba li nešto da im se vrati (hardly) ili još da doplate (most probably).
zilikaka zilikaka 00:36 19.11.2017

Re: Taso druze

Vegani prvo da polože depozit u zlatu. Pa kad iz'edu svoje travke, da se podvuče crta i utvrdi: treba li nešto da im se vrati (hardly) ili još da doplate (most probably).

Priča skoro jedan čovek, otišo u Beograd da radi struju u stanu jednoj gospoji. Sa drugarom. Pošto bilo puno posla a da ne bi putovali, stan inače bio slobodan i oni tamo proveli dva dana i prespavali. U stanu bila mačka a gazdarica otišla negde.
Vraća se gazdarica i svarata ih pita da i su jeli ćevape.
Ovi zbunjeni, jesu, moraju nešto, kupili iza ćoška.
Dobro oni, al da li su dali slučajno i mački.
Ovaj jedan poriče al drugi kaže da jeste. Motala se okolo i kako da je odbije.
Jao, zakuka ona, niste to smeli.

Ona je vegan pa i mačku tako drži, pa je sad prekršila pravilo.
tasadebeli tasadebeli 12:24 18.11.2017

Молба

Молим све евентуалне коментаторе да се усредсреде на садржај поста, а не на домаћина овог блогодворишта, његов карактер, личност, поступке на Блогу...

Надам се да је то добар рецепт да коментарисање не оде у правцу који нема никакве везе са садржајем поста као што се то врло често догађало са неким ранијим постовима овог истог домаћина.

Због свог текстуалног дела овај пост и носи одредницу "Гост аутор". И то је јасно назначено у тексту линковима који воде на извор текстова.

Хвала.
alselone alselone 12:26 18.11.2017

Re: Молба

усредсреде на садржај поста,

Ti stvarno misliš da će se neko usresrediti na gomilu copy-paste teksta na engleskom?

Pa sve ovo ima na internetu, sve ovo onaj koga zanima zna odavno. Lični pečat i lična razmatranja bi bila ono na šta bi se recimo moglo usresrediti.
maksa83 maksa83 12:42 18.11.2017

Re: Молба

Молим све евентуалне коментаторе да се усредсреде на садржај поста

27029 bajtova tinfoil hat kopipaste sa Interneta?

Sirijsli?
tasadebeli tasadebeli 12:54 18.11.2017

Re: Молба

alselone
усредсреде на садржај поста,

Ti stvarno misliš da će se neko usresrediti na gomilu copy-paste teksta na engleskom?

Pa sve ovo ima na internetu, sve ovo onaj koga zanima zna odavno. Lični pečat i lična razmatranja bi bila ono na šta bi se recimo moglo usresrediti.



Ето, таман те похвалих што се не бавиш "суфлирањем" на Блогу Б92...

Јесте да је све ово на интернету, али исто тако верујем и да многи нису допрли до тога.

Неки јесу, попут тебе верујем. (Или Максе, Милана итд.)

Многи нису.

Поготово што је од три копипејстована текста онај други по реду од 15. новембра 2017, дакле од пре три дана, а други од 17. новембра 2017, дакле од јуче.

А то што је све на енглеском?

Па приметио сам да овде има доста људи који често користе сербглиш и глобиш као варијанте енглеског језика, па сам рачунао да онда текстови на енглеском не би требало да буду проблем.

А поготово, ваљда, нису текстови на енглеском језику проблем људима који свој хлеб свакидашњи и зарађују управо у тој области (шире гледано) на коју се и односе текстови окачени у овом посту.

EDIT: И мислим да би свако даље моје објашњавање како сам нешто урадио и зашто сам нешто урадио, зашто сам нешто написао или копипејстовао однекуд на Блогу Б92, било такође крајње неумесно исто колико и оно твоје "суфлирање" како неко треба нешто да пише за шта си и сам рекао да ти није намера.

Па тако није ни моја намера да сада овде објашњавам шта сам, како сам и зашто нешто урадио јер ми то и није обавеза.

Барем док тиме не кршим правила из дисклејмера.

Зато и замолих за мало више усредсређивања пажње на копипејстоване текстове у посту.
niccolo niccolo 13:41 18.11.2017

Re: Молба

Ti stvarno misliš da će se neko usresrediti na gomilu copy-paste teksta na engleskom?

27029 bajtova tinfoil hat kopipaste sa Interneta?


Nemojte tako, da vam ispričam jednu kratku priču s početka moje karijere zvanu anegdota. Napisao ja neko dugačko mišljenje, pošaljemo mi klijentu i sve to bude u redu, kad posle par dana mi kaže jedan stariji kolega - reče mi Nenad da si napisao odlično mišljenje i prosledio mi ga je. Bravo, bravo. Mislim, nisam pročitao, ali mi je rekao da je odlično.

Eto...
alselone alselone 13:57 18.11.2017

Re: Молба

Eto...


Imam ja jednog kolegu koji me je nasledio na prethodnoj poziciji, na kojoj treba redovno da se javlja nekim klijentima i dogovara se o pravcima daljeg razvoja.

Ali on voli da bude malo deskriptivniji, da se tako ublazeno odrazim.

I 100 puta se dogodilo da klijent posle neke razmene mejlova posalje jos jedan mail posle mesec dana sa pitanjem na koje je ranije bilo odgovoreno. Prosto, u moru reci onii su preskocili svoj odgovor- I onda smo vezbali da pise po tackama. Bulleti su ga terali da bude koncizan.
korisnickoime-1 korisnickoime-1 17:39 18.11.2017

Re: Молба

Јесте да је све ово на интернету, али исто тако верујем и да многи нису допрли до тога.



Pa zamislite da svi autori postavljaju blogove o svemu sto su pročitali adabi i drugi pročitali.

tasadebeli tasadebeli 21:48 18.11.2017

Re: Молба

korisnickoime-1
Јесте да је све ово на интернету, али исто тако верујем и да многи нису допрли до тога.



Pa zamislite da svi autori postavljaju blogove o svemu sto su pročitali adabi i drugi pročitali.




Па извините, али нема потребе да замишљам.

Ја то гледам већ шест и по година.

Лажем, гледам то много дуже од шест и по година колико сам регистрован овде јер ја текстове и коментаре на Блогу Б92 читам од 2008. или 2009. (Наравно, не све као што ни сада не читам све...)

И то на многим постовима код многих аутора примећујем исто ово што ми Ви кажете да треба да замислим.

Зато и не видим по чему се то баш моји постови разликују од многих других што се тиче овога што рекосте.

Неке ауторе гледам како све то време, 9-10 година већ, врте све једно те исту причу о ономе што су чули, прочитали или видели.

Па ја онда к'о велим да се не истичем у друштву.

Објасних већ Алсу како сам схватио Блог Б 92:

A weblog (blog) is a website that contains a log or diary of information, specific topics or opinions. A blog author (blogger) links to stories or other websites with relevant and interesting information.



Е, сад... Може бити да сам ја погрешно и разумео основну намену Блога Б92 и ону почетну идеју која га је креирала.

Можда је замишљено да Блог Б92 буде место за промоцију сопствених успеха или неуспеха аутора и кометатора у реалном животу, можда он треба да буде место на којем ће се завидљивцима стално стављати до знања колико смо лепи, паметни, образовани, високи, плави и млади, те успешни у животу, па се онда наслађивати док се село због тог једи, можда Блог Б92 треба да служи за ћаскање у писаном облику слично ономе као када клинци блеје на сваком ћошку, можда он треба да замени кафанске разговоре који се обично заврше тако што победи онај који има најјаче гласне жице и најбоље псује и који последњи падне под сто, можда он треба да послужи усамљенима да се макар мало забаве у виртуелном друштву у недостатку реалних пријатеља, можда служи за упознавање сродних душа (мада за то већ постоје они дејтинг сајтови), а можда је само намењен пукој политичкој и политикантској пропаганди.

Не знам то господине Корисничко име 1.

Зато сасвим и допуштам могућност да сам ја потпуно погрешно схватио намену Блога Б92.

И разумем и Вашу и Алселонову недоумицу и забринутост за постове и коментаре који се појављују под мојим корисничким именом које је добило ауторску опцију пре неких годину и по дана.

Зато и рекох Алсу.


The terms web log (or weblog) and blog are not necessarily synonymous.



Па је сасвим могуће да Блог Б92 има другачију намену и да је са са другачијом иницијалном идејом покренут од тога шта сам ја мислио да је Блог Б92.



И сходно томе, сасвим допуштам могућност да због свега овога реченог долази и до неразумевања и неспоразума по питању мојих постова и коментара.

Ако је то у питању, онда није никакав проблем решити тако нешто у најкраћем могућем року.
maksa83 maksa83 12:57 18.11.2017

Evo da učestvujem.

Mene ne plaši AI koja će da bude pametnija od nas i kojoj ćemo da se klanjamo, plaši me AI koja ostavlja bez posla stotine hiljada ljudi.

Dodatno me plaši i mašina koja seče bolje od čoveka, pošto je em boli dupe, a i možeš da ih napraviš koliko hoćeš, dok se čovek koji ume da seče ne skalira tako dobro.


Bili Piton Bili Piton 13:43 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

maksa83
plaši me AI koja ostavlja bez posla stotine hiljada ljudi.



Još jedan od razloga zašto bi basic income mogao biti dobra ideja.

Pod uslovom da je ova naša prirodna inteligencija ne kompromituje i iskvari, kako već ume.
alselone alselone 14:00 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.


Još jedan od razloga zašto bi basic income mogao biti dobra ideja.


Vidite kuda divlji kapiralizam ide i vidite tendenciju poslednjih 20, 30 godina. Basic income ce prosto postati socijalna pomoc.

Sigurno se nece napraviti drustvo u kom ce basic income biti dovoljan da se zivi opusteno a da se ne radi. Cudi me da je basic income postao toliki hajp i pored toga sto vidimo gde zivimo. Jer neko na kraju i treba da napravi toliku vrednost koju ce da deli. A ko ce to da bude? Nestajuca sredna klasa ili 1% bogatih?
Bili Piton Bili Piton 14:15 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

alselone
Jer neko na kraju i treba da napravi toliku vrednost koju ce da deli. A ko ce to da bude? Nestajuca sredna klasa ili 1% bogatih?


Pa ko kaže da oni koji bi primali basic income ne bi istovremeno i privredjivali i proizvodili? Kreativnu vrednost, na primer.

Evo na primer - osoba radi u call centru i svaki bogovetni dan ide u klozet da povraća koliko joj je muka i od tog posla (koji je jedva našla) i od sebe same. Ta sigurnosna mreža koju bi joj pružio BI bila bi odlična platforma da ta osoba proba nešto drugo u životu, možda ono što je oduvek htela - ili da započne bilo šta drugo što bi je činilo srećnijom. I eno je, par godina kasnije, ručno pravi unikatne leptir mašne i prodaje ih online (ovo je čak RL primer).
stefan.hauzer stefan.hauzer 14:22 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

Nestajuca sredna klasa


opet ja sa C Rajt Milsom, koji je odavno proglasio kraj političke nezavisnosti "nove" srednje klase koju je on krstio belim okovratnicima.

Рајт Милс јесте веровао у друштвену улогу интелектуалца и није веровао у политичку моћ нове средње класе која се родила у масовном друштву или како их је он називао „Бели оковратници“. Oн је тврдио како је стара средња класа била продукт приватног власништва, а „преображај средње класе је кретање од поседовања према непоседовању“, с друге стране формирање нове средње класе је „прелаз од власништва на нову основу друштвеног разврставања – запослење.“ Ако је стара средња класа имала разврставање по поседу, нова је била бирократизован слој, који се делио по врсти запослења. „Бели оковратник“ је изгубио своју независност с поседом и постао је само слуга корпорације у којој је радио, а са тим и његова политичка независност више није постојала. САД, као претежно држава средње класе, или макар како је замишљена у свом џеферсономском типу, као земља независних (политички и економски) фармера, више то није била – „политичка слобода и економска сигурност биле су укотвљене у независним поседима малог обима, а ови раштркани поседи и њихови власници били су економски интегрисани слободним и аутономним тржиштима, а политички процесом представничке демократије. Групе белих оковратника нису таква независна основа моћи: економски они су у истој позицији као и надничари без поседа; политички они су у горем стању, јер нису организовани“. Са овим процесом, „бели оковратник“ се претварао у масу и осим што је губио на својој индивидуалности, губио је и на својој политичкој снази - „бели оковратници нису предводници историјске промене; у најбољем случају они су заштитници социјалне државе“ .

in my humble opinion :)
alselone alselone 14:31 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

Pa ko kaže da oni koji bi primali basic income ne bi istovremeno i privredjivali i proizvodili?


Pa to mozes i sada sa socijanom pomoci. Imas da kupis leba i mozda mleka, da iznajmis stracaru na kraju grada i nadjes novi posao.

Utopija je verovati kako ce BI biti dosta da kuliras u toplom stanu i lagano trazis novi posao. Pa sve drzave osim naftnih rajeva se bore da odrze minimalnu socijalnu pomoc danas, a ne sa pogorsanjem divljackog kapitalizma verovati da ce imati podeliti toliko dovoljno da to bude dosta za normalan zivot. Ponuda i potrasnja kaze da ce sve odmah poskupeti. Ako podelis svima da iznajme stanove, da svi imaju za hranu i zivot, istog momenta ti stanovi i taj zivot poskupljuju. Podeli jos jednom. Ponovo ce poskupeti.

Mozda u Norveskoj, nikad u ostatku sveta.
Bili Piton Bili Piton 14:40 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

Evo jednog dobrog teksta iz Gardijana koji se bavi, ako ne baš ovim o čemu pričamo, onda o vrlo srodnom fenomenu:

Why do people care more about benefit scroungers than billions lost to the rich
alselone alselone 17:55 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

Why do people care more about benefit scroungers than billions lost to the rich


Samo jos nesto da dodam na ovu temu. BI bi bio mozda i odrziv kod izvozno orjentisanih privreda. Kod uvozno, kao sto smo mi, ta lova koju bi delili samo bi se rasprsila u uvoz. U uvoznu hranu, u uvoznu garderobu, u uvoznu tehniku itd. Kratkorocno bi se napravili neki poslovi u maloprodaji, ali bi i oni brzo nestali jer bi nestalo i love.

(ocekujem tadejus da me napusi sada ovde, jer sam se usudio da pricam na ovu temu)
zemljanin zemljanin 23:09 18.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

cela prica nije novijeg datuma ali je naslq svoje mesto u medijima ... iako generalno podrzavam AI ne vidim tu nikakvih dodirnih tacaka sa proklamajucom religijom ... AI inteligencija (svesna AI) nece biti osecajna, nece se nadmetati sa nama zbog resursa, niti ce joj planeta I ljudi biti od bilo kakvog znacaja sem mozda u dobu *pelena* koje ne mozemo ni pretpostaviti koliko ce kratko trajati ...

ostale AI koje su mozda nama interesantne su na nivou kucnih robota I pametnih kompjutera ali sa limitiranom inteligencijom ... a sve te AI ce eventulano doboro simulirati osecajnost da bi udovoljile ljudskom egu ... I da, preuzece mnoge poslove ali ne verujem u ugrozenost jer ce korist u napretku biti nemerljivo veca ...

na kraju smatram da jedini nacin oslobadjanja ljudi jesu replikatori ala StarTrek a to je direktno povezano I sa AI I tehologijom ...
tasadebeli tasadebeli 00:07 19.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

zemljanin

cela prica nije novijeg datuma ali je naslq svoje mesto u medijima ...





In Silicon Valley mythologies, every childhood potato clock presages genius and every lemonade stand foretells CEO savvy. But Levandowski’s technophilia and entrepreneurship do seem to run deep. He was born in Brussels, Belgium to a French diplomat mother and an American businessman. In the mid 1990s, his father brought Levandowski to California, where the gangly, gregarious teenager sold candy to fellow students and built websites for local firms. A classmate I interviewed recalls him eagerly doing a show-and-tell with a cutting edge Apple Newton—and crisp new $100 bills.

One of his earliest robotics successes came during his undergraduate years at UC Berkeley: He programmed a toy robot to sort Monopoly money.

Berkeley robotics, automation, and new media professor Ken Goldberg has “only positive things to say about Anthony. He was terrific as a student in my lab, very creative, energetic, and talented.” Levandowski is named as a co-inventor on a patent filed in 2002 by Goldberg for an interactive virtual reality entertainment system called Tele-Actor.

In 2002, Levandowski’s attention turned, fatefully, toward transportation. His mother called him from Brussels about a contest being organized by the Pentagon’s R&D arm, DARPA. The first Grand Challenge in 2004 would race robotic, computer-controlled vehicles in a desert between Los Angeles and Las Vegas—a Wacky Races for the 21st century.

“I was like, ‘Wow, this is absolutely the future,’” Levandowski told me in 2016. “It struck a chord deep in my DNA. I didn’t know where it was going to be used or how it would work out, but I knew that this was going to change things.”


(ЛИНК)


iako generalno podrzavam AI ne vidim tu nikakvih dodirnih tacaka sa proklamajucom religijom ...



Е, то већ не бих умео да ти објасним.

Можда би најбоље било питати самог Левандовског?

Али при томе осетљивост при спомену речи религија очигледно не долази у обзир.


Way of the Future (WOTF) is about creating a peaceful and respectful transition of who is in charge of the planet from people to people + "machines". Given that technology will "relatively soon" be able to surpass human abilities, we want to help educate people about this exciting future and prepare a smooth transition.

Things we believe:

We believe that intelligence is not rooted in biology.

We believe in science

We believe in progress (once you have a working version of something, you can improve on it and keep making it better). Change is good, even if a bit scary sometimes.

We believe the creation of "super intelligence" is inevitable (mainly because after we re-create it, we will be able to tune it, manufacture it and scale it).

We believe everyone can help (and should). You don't need to know how to program or donate money. The changes that we think should happen need help from everyone to manifest themselves.


We also believe this might take a very long time.


(ЛИНК)


П.С. -

Алесандро Барико: Варвари (ЛИНК)


c_h.arlie c_h.arlie 09:20 19.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

maksa83
Mene ne plaši AI koja će da bude pametnija od nas i kojoj ćemo da se klanjamo, plaši me AI koja ostavlja bez posla stotine hiljada ljudi.

Dodatno me plaši i mašina koja seče bolje od čoveka, pošto je em boli dupe, a i možeš da ih napraviš koliko hoćeš, dok se čovek koji ume da seče ne skalira tako dobro.



Ja se ne plašim.
Jedva čekam da dođe to vreme, pa da, kako je to rekao neki od Grka (Heraklit ili ... nebitno) da sve teče i sve se menja --- pa da u skladu sa tim, posedamo na obale, turimo noge u potok ... i blogujemo.
A pametne i glupe mašine da rade.
maksa83 maksa83 09:36 19.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

Jedva čekam da dođe to vreme, pa da, kako je to rekao neki od Grka (Heraklit ili ... nebitno) da sve teče i sve se menja --- pa da u skladu sa tim, posedamo na obale, turimo noge u potok ... i blogujemo.
A pametne i glupe mašine da rade.

Nekako bi čovek očekivao tu utopiju, ali se nekako baš ona ne dešava nego se sve veće bogatstvo gomila u sve tanjem sloju.

c_h.arlie c_h.arlie 13:42 19.11.2017

Re: Evo da učestvujem.

maksa83
Jedva čekam da dođe to vreme, pa da, kako je to rekao neki od Grka (Heraklit ili ... nebitno) da sve teče i sve se menja --- pa da u skladu sa tim, posedamo na obale, turimo noge u potok ... i blogujemo.
A pametne i glupe mašine da rade.

Nekako bi čovek očekivao tu utopiju, ali se nekako baš ona ne dešava nego se sve veće bogatstvo gomila u sve tanjem sloju.


Ma, rešićemo i to nekako.
Ili će to za nas da reše Fića i Frihend.
blogov_kolac blogov_kolac 14:09 18.11.2017

the end

Priznajte da ste se ponadali!
c_h.arlie c_h.arlie 14:14 18.11.2017

Re: the end

blogov_kolac
Priznajte da ste se ponadali!

Ja nisam.
Ja sam se bio rastužio.
Milan Novković Milan Novković 15:43 18.11.2017

Re: the end

blogov_kolac
Priznajte da ste se ponadali!

Niko normalan se nije ponadao
tasadebeli tasadebeli 15:46 18.11.2017

Re: the end

blogov_kolac
Priznajte da ste se ponadali!



Ма, сузе су океј.

Tagovi

Blog B92, Secanja


NA DANAŠNJI DAN


Круг.




Treba da se čisti.


Well, me and the boys got some work to do. It ain't like it used to be; but it'll do.


Ја лепо рекох да треба да се чисти.

Ето, то се сад и види да сам био у праву.









c_h.arlie c_h.arlie 14:13 18.11.2017

Taso !

Na žalost.
Nisam pročitao niti slovo uvodnog teksta.
Da ne bi ispalo da kršim taj neki disklejmer (šta god o tim cenzorskim smicalicama mislio), da ipak nešto napišem o njemu, pa evo --- tekst je predug, pa da si ga napisao na bilo kojem jeziku, čak i na srpskom - normalno, na ћирилици.
tasadebeli tasadebeli 14:36 18.11.2017

Re: Taso !

c_h.arlie
Na žalost.
Nisam pročitao niti slovo uvodnog teksta.
Da ne bi ispalo da kršim taj neki disklejmer (šta god o tim cenzorskim smicalicama mislio), da ipak nešto napišem o njemu, pa evo --- tekst je predug, pa da si ga napisao na bilo kojem jeziku, čak i na srpskom - normalno, na ћирилици.



Знам, све знам...

Нека, нека...

Због обећања лудом радовања.
jinks jinks 14:46 18.11.2017

...

Pa i prihvatiti da "42" nešto može da znači znači nešto :)
eloy eloy 15:55 18.11.2017

bio........

Preminuo osnivač AC/DC-ja

Legendarni gitarista i osnivač rok benda AC/DC, Malkolm Jang, preminuo je danas u 64 godini.


maksa83 maksa83 16:51 18.11.2017

Re: bio........

Legendarni gitarista i osnivač rok benda AC/DC, Malkolm Jang, preminuo je danas u 64 godini.


Nek' mu je laka zemlja.

c_h.arlie c_h.arlie 20:31 18.11.2017

Re: bio........

maksa83
Legendarni gitarista i osnivač rok benda AC/DC, Malkolm Jang, preminuo je danas u 64 godini.


Nek' mu je laka zemlja.


Slava mu !
Atomski mrav Atomski mrav 21:50 18.11.2017

Re: bio........

RIP

BebaOdLonchara BebaOdLonchara 03:37 19.11.2017

Re: bio........

Preminuo osnivač AC/DC-ja

ja, koja ne slušam ac/dc (iako poštujem), pre par dana ničim izazvano pustim sebi playlist ac/dc na yt-u. i nedužne komšije su slušale.

taso, dizvineš, slovo od posta nisam pročitala, ali mislim da AI neće ostaviti armiju nezaposlenih ljudi. ok, možda u početku, ali će se iznivelisati. uvek imaš "žrtve tranzicije", to je neminovno. pojaviće se nova zanimanja s tim u vezi, jedino što se ljudska fizička snaga neće više ceniti, sem u sportu. svi će morati da završe neku školu i da nešto prčkaju po kompjuteru ili nekim dugmićima ili da popravljaju te dugmiće. i da, čini mi se da će (opet, s tim u vezi) morati školstvo ww da se menja i bude daleko fleksibilnije u brzini promena. mada, ne mogu da zamislim mašine koje gaje cveće za prodaju, npr. čini mi se da će ponovo da se povrate mali zanati. ljudi sve više cene male proizvođače. s tim u vezi, želim industriji hrane i odeće dumru (ne da je tema, ali da kažem).
zilikaka zilikaka 08:53 19.11.2017

Re: bio........

. s tim u vezi, želim industriji hrane i odeće dumru (ne da je tema, ali da kažem).

I hemije i kozmetike.
Pojedoše sve normalne.
cassiopeia cassiopeia 11:48 19.11.2017

Re: bio........

zilikaka
. s tim u vezi, želim industriji hrane i odeće dumru (ne da je tema, ali da kažem).

I hemije i kozmetike.
Pojedoše sve normalne.


Posebno kozmetike.

Zlo neopevano! Ja već 5-6 godina kupujem tri proizvoda za lice, aktivni kiseonik, kokosovo ulje i shea puter. I kad god naletim na neku reklamu za hokuspokus kremu, na tren se zapitam možda bi mogla i da kupim tako nešto, a onda se setim da ne vredi silne pare bacati na zapakovanu šarenu laž.
c_h.arlie c_h.arlie 13:43 19.11.2017

Re: bio........

cassiopeia
zilikaka
. s tim u vezi, želim industriji hrane i odeće dumru (ne da je tema, ali da kažem).

I hemije i kozmetike.
Pojedoše sve normalne.


Posebno kozmetike.

Zlo neopevano! Ja već 5-6 godina kupujem tri proizvoda za lice, aktivni kiseonik, kokosovo ulje i shea puter. I kad god naletim na neku reklamu za hokuspokus kremu, na tren se zapitam možda bi mogla i da kupim tako nešto, a onda se setim da ne vredi silne pare bacati na zapakovanu šarenu laž.

Ja već decenijama ne kupujem ništa od kozmetike --- i da me samo vidiš uživo !
Milina jedna.
BebaOdLonchara BebaOdLonchara 00:16 20.11.2017

Re: bio........

aktivni kiseonik

ovo je neka vrsta sirćetne kiseline kako su mi rekli. kupi bar termalnu vodu, u njoj nema ničega drugog, a i dugo traju, i odlično hidriraju.
arganovo ulje (organsko) je isto odlično, ulje smilja takođe.
a kozmetika, pa retinol i tretinoin, i aha kiseline nisu šarena laža.
Bili Piton Bili Piton 02:16 20.11.2017

Re: bio........

c_h.arlie

Ja već decenijama ne kupujem ništa od kozmetike --- i da me samo vidiš uživo !
Milina jedna.


Sapun mi pada na pamet. Nadam se da je milina i kad te neko samo pomiriše uživo
eloy eloy 15:55 18.11.2017

Don't talk to me about life.

tasadebeli tasadebeli 16:01 18.11.2017

Re: bio........

eloy

Preminuo osnivač AC/DC-ja




Отиш'о у сусрет 42?

Немогуће!

Логичније би ми било да је он отишао у сусрет 24...



Черевићан Черевићан 17:49 18.11.2017

aut non tentaris,aut perfice

When we see something better, we just change to that.


у промени сталној уживат' желимо
не у постигнутом, а што је логично,
глобална пресија спопала нам живце
иако већ кљокнут, сам осећам лично,

упс
eloy eloy 18:50 18.11.2017

talk to me about life.

freehand freehand 19:04 18.11.2017

Vratija se Šime

... kao Tasa DeBeli.
tasadebeli tasadebeli 00:40 19.11.2017

Re: Vratija se Šime

freehand
... kao Tasa DeBeli.






Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears



Est bellum bellis bellum bellare puellis.



eloy eloy 11:56 19.11.2017

ma marš,fuj tamo



https://rs.sputniknews.com/zivot/201711191113497179-CIA-Jugoslavija-atomska-bomba-tajna/
tasadebeli tasadebeli 12:06 19.11.2017

Re: ma marš,fuj tamo

eloy


https://rs.sputniknews.com/zivot/201711191113497179-CIA-Jugoslavija-atomska-bomba-tajna/



Овај...

Само да питам...

А што ти капацитети нису никада искоришћени?









'Ајмо, друг Елојица, држ' се макар мало теме ако можеш.


('Ебо те Тито и AC/DC... И пожутеле фотографије са слета. Кога више уопште то и занима...)

eloy eloy 12:13 19.11.2017

Re: ma marš,fuj tamo

('Ебо те Тито и AC/DC... Кога више уопште то и занима...)


Prosvetni savet Srbije možda.

A što se teme tiče - kakodane.

tasadebeli tasadebeli 12:19 19.11.2017

Re: ma marš,fuj tamo

eloy
('Ебо те Тито и AC/DC... Кога више уопште то и занима...)


Prosvetni savet Srbije možda.




Да, видиш, то ми није пало на памет.


A što se teme tiče - kakodane.



Љуби те учитељ Таса у чело паметно!
not2old2rock not2old2rock 00:30 20.11.2017

Re: ma marš,fuj tamo

tasadebeli











('Ебо те Тито и AC/DC... И пожутеле фотографије са слета. Кога више уопште то и занима...)



Što AC/DC u isti koš sa satrapom? Ono, nije da mi je to od omiljenih vokala (ni blizu), ali boogie je sjajan, vraća u detinjstvo!
tasadebeli tasadebeli 01:17 20.11.2017

Re: ma marš,fuj tamo

not2old2rock
tasadebeli


('Ебо те Тито и AC/DC... И пожутеле фотографије са слета. Кога више уопште то и занима...)



Što AC/DC u isti koš sa satrapom? Ono, nije da mi je to od omiljenih vokala (ni blizu), ali boogie je sjajan, vraća u detinjstvo!






Кад рече "враћа у детињство"...



eloy eloy 08:27 20.11.2017

Svetski dan toaleta

Љуби те учитељ Таса у чело паметно!


Sve najbolje debeli !

Današnji dan se obeležava kao Svetski dan toaleta (World Toilet Day), koga su Ujedinjene nacije uvele 2011. godine kako bi uticale na podizanje svesti o globalnoj sanitarnoj krizi.Prema nekim istraživanjima, svaki stanovnik Zemlje tokom svog života, u WC-u provede oko tri godine.

Uvreženo je mišljenje da muškarci na WC šolji provode više vremena od žena. A oni sami znaju da kažu da je to jedini kutak u kome imaju malo mira, i da u miru pročitaju novine...

Možda se baš zato, Međunarodni dan toaleta se poklapa sa Međunarodnim danom muškaraca. Da, danas se obeležava i taj dan.

Inače, više od 70 odsto ljudi na svetu uopšte ne koristi tolalet papir. Ako to preračunamo u brojke, ispada da ga ne upotrebljava više od pet milijardi ljudi. Mnogi, koji bi želeli da ga kupe, to ne mogu da priušte. Mnogi i danas, u te svrhe, posežu za lišćem ili vodom.

Prema nekim istraživanjima, žene najčešće zgužvaju WC papir pa ga tek onda koriste, dok ga muškarci pažljivo preklapaju, piše sajt Toilet Paper History.

Ovo su još neke zanimljive činjenice o toalet papiru:

Prvi tolaet papir u rolni patentirao je izvesni Set Viler 1891. godine u Americi.
Čovek, u proseku, za jedno vršenje nužde potroši osam do devet listića, ali ako se njime briše nos, skida šminka, čiste ogledala i ostalo, taj broj se penje na 57 listića dnevno.
Prosečan čovek godišnje iskoristi sto rolni, što je oko 20.000 listića.
Da bi se napravio sav WC papir koji jedan čovek potroši tokom celog života, potrebno je poseći 384 stabala.
Dnevno se u svetu proizvede više od 83 miliona rolni.
Tehnologija je toliko napredovala da neke fabrike posebnim mašinama pretvaraju iskorišćeni papir za fotokopiranje u WC papir za zaposlene.


tasadebeli tasadebeli 08:40 20.11.2017

Re: Svetski dan toaleta

eloy

Možda se baš zato, Međunarodni dan toaleta se poklapa sa Međunarodnim danom muškaraca. Da, danas se obeležava i taj dan.








То поклапање можда уопште и није случајно?

Једна моја другарица са факса је имала обичај да каже да су сви мушкарци као клозети. Или су заузети или су покварени па не раде или су усрани.


Inače, više od 70 odsto ljudi na svetu uopšte ne koristi tolalet papir.



Па јес...

Кад се само сетим свих оних конзерви са водом које стоје по војничким чучавцима у касарнама некадашње ЈНА да би се испоштовала и вероисповест којој је прописано да брише буљу искључиво прстима.

Схваташ ли ти, друже, колико је дубок био тај степен верске толеранције у тој Титославији?

(Додуше, због тога онда прсти били вазда умазани, је л' те знаш већ чиме, па се онда тим умазаним прстима хватало за кваке на вратима итд. које користе и друге вероисповести... Но, добро, све је то била жртва поднесена у име братске човечанске љубави ради очувања те почивше нам братске заједнице људи.)

Зато се ја и питам колико од тих 5 милијарди људи које помињеш не користи тоалет папир из верских убеђења?

Кад си се већ дотакао ових хигијенских тема...

Си видео ону вест од пре пар месеци из Велике Британије како су тамошњи просветни радници забринути за здравље својих ученица јер све већи број девојчица и девојака, припадница осиромашене средње класе, не купује више хигијенске улошке, него уместо тога користе старе новине, крпе и слично?

Еееее... А некада су били "империја у којој сунце никада не залази".
eloy eloy 08:53 20.11.2017

Re: Svetski dan toaleta

не купује више хигијенске улошке, него уместо тога користе старе новине, крпе и слично?





(Додуше, због тога онда прсти били вазда умазани, је л' те знаш већ чиме, па се онда тим умазаним прстима хватало за кваке на вратима итд. које користе и друге вероисповести... Но, добро, све је то била жртва поднесена у име братске човечанске љубави ради очувања те почивше нам братске заједнице људи.)


To je bi program prirodne vakcinacije

Схваташ ли ти, друже, колико је дубок био тај степен верске толеранције у тој Титославији?


Ja ti na to stalno skrećem pažnju a ti se ljutiš

eloy eloy 18:14 19.11.2017

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