B92 Blog

prvi put - prva!

odoh da bolje procitam...

P.S. gde je visnja?

nsarski

Ima lekova od kojih se sticu brzi prsti:))) Cestitam.

Ima, ima :-))

Hvala.

Sada, ovaj lek ima neke neželjene efekte. Hteo bih da ti kažem koji su, u slučaju da se nešto desi, da se ne brineš suviše, OK?

Eh, ti nezeljeni efekti...
Kad ih procitam, odmah ozdravim :-))

nsarski

Eh, ti nezeljeni efekti...Kad ih procitam, odmah ozdravim :-))Ima stara knjiga Woody Allena - Side Effects. Ako te zanima, moze ovde da se "skine".Side Effects

Kad je Woody Allen u pitanju - skidam.
Hvala.

Nsarski, ja ti dala preporuku a ono nista,
ako ponovo kliknem bice malo cudno
jer sam jedini "gost"...

Ostavise nas svi :-((

Sta napravi ovaj FM?

nsarski

Hvala za ilustraciju, Twiddly Fingers:)Ti se, primecujem, nisi preudavala u medjufremenu. Zaista, ne bi islo ono ivana2392.

Nisam i nemam nameru :)))

ivana23

hehe

ovo me podseti na Dextera

ko ga nije gled'o obavezno ako volite malo sumanutog u vise trilera....

Nsar kolko kosta taj lek :)

dobar ti lek :)

se slozila u potpunosti- bash tako!

Ma jok. Prva smena, sada spavaju

Мањчики ;-)))



P.S.Nsarski, ako si mislio da postoji lek
za blog tj.za odvikavanje od istog...varas se.
Nikakvi nezeljeni efekti nece uplasiti blogere,
nije ni bilo upozorenja :-)))))

Laku noc / Dobro jutro!!!

nsarski

angie01

se slozila u potpunosti- bash tako!

Oho, dobila si i prezime! 01. Sto nisi trazila 007?

troll
007 je za mene. Imam i uverenje o položenom ispitu.

nsarski

angie01se slozila u potpunosti- bash tako!Oho, dobila si i prezime! 01. Sto nisi trazila 007?

pa malko sam se prudala:))), a shto da trazim onaj izakani broj:), eno objasnila jelica, ovaj moj, ko one specijalne registarske tablice:)

Mala ispravka (ne radi mi opcija izmeni):


Маљчики ;-)))

zamišljam ga kako zombirano klima glavom gledajući negde kroz Vrača

Ne mogu da obećam da će ti pomoći, ali, s druge strane, ne može ni da ti odmogne.

(pravo biserje je uvek skriveno negde na početku teksta. Posle se zabudalimo čitanjem, pa zaboravimo..... - lekovi...)

odlično.
....i ponekad - prokleto istinito.

skoro sam gledala sicko
scena1: neka doktorka koja na sudu daje izjavu da je od nje osiguravajuća kompanija tražila da pacijente savetuje da ne prolaze ni kroz kakav tretman, a da je za to dobila veoma finu nadoknadu. iznenadjujuće je to, što se na sudu našla samoinicijativno, ili, kako da kažem - samoseprijavila.
scena2: žena ima 25 godina i kancer cerviksa. osiguravajuća kompanija je odbila da plati jer - je isuviše mlada da bi dobila taj kancer.
scena3: noć. dete ima jako visoku temperaturu. hitna je odvozi u bolnicu, ali tamo majci saopštavaju da su se ovi javili i da mora da ide u neku drugu. umrla je pri ulasku u bolnički krug.

pa da te pitam šarski, je l' to stvarno tako?
p.s.
izvinjavam se za trol. (a možda i nije trol)

snezana mihajlovic

skoro sam gledala sicko
scena1: neka doktorka koja na sudu daje izjavu da je od nje osiguravajuća kompanija tražila da pacijente savetuje da ne prolaze ni kroz kakav tretman, a da je za to dobila veoma finu nadoknadu. iznenadjujuće je to, što se na sudu našla samoinicijativno, ili, kako da kažem - samoseprijavila.
scena2: žena ima 25 godina i kancer cerviksa. osiguravajuća kompanija je odbila da plati jer - je isuviše mlada da bi dobila taj kancer.
scena3: noć. dete ima jako visoku temperaturu. hitna je odvozi u bolnicu, ali tamo majci saopštavaju da su se ovi javili i da mora da ide u neku drugu. umrla je pri ulasku u bolnički krug.

pa da te pitam šarski, je l' to stvarno tako?
p.s.
izvinjavam se za trol. (a možda i nije trol)

Snezana, razlika je u varijacijama.

U Kanadi postoji citava generacija dece koja su rodjena sa genetskim poremecajima - sake im rastu direktno iz ramena

koliko se secam , to je bilo u britaniji cesto...
ima i u jednoj od volsovih knjiga... dal je esid, ili neka druga...

Oni su taj lek originalno koristili za depresiju. Posle su uvideli da pacijentima nenormalno raste kosa, dlake. I oni ga preimenuju u lek protiv celavosti. Majstorija koze pase!

Em si čupav, em si ves'o... Vaistinu majstorija :)

Da ne pominjem one stvari protiv trudnoce. U Kanadi postoji citava generacija dece koja su rodjena sa genetskim poremecajima

zanima me da procitam o ovome,
jel mozes neki link da mi das ili samo naziv leka?

pnbb

koliko se secam , to je bilo u britaniji cesto...
ima i u jednoj od volsovih knjiga... dal je esid, ili neka druga...

Irvine Welsh: Fortune's Always Hiding.
U pitanju je thalidomide.

prvo, fala na odgovoru.

Pa, ovo je malo karikirano, naravno. Ali, ima svega. Svako malo pa se sude oko nekog leka koji je povucen.

pazi, meni je sve ono u emisiji izgledalo realno - naravno slika može da vara, zato i pitam.
glavna okosnica je bila upravo to što si u incijalnom postu napisao - lekovi (i ovo iz citirane rečenice) + osiguranje, tj. kako sve to funkcioniše. (ili, da budem preciznija - koliko košta: a to je tvoja poslednja rečenica iz teksta, koja me je asocirala. )
naježila sam se kad sam gledala.

e, sad - ukoliko je to iz dokumentarca netačno, zar ga neko od pomenutih i prozvanih ne bi tužio?

koliko se secam , to je bilo u britaniji cesto..

Lek se zvao "Thalidomide" i uzrokovao je te nesretne slučajeve koje ste naveli...
ali prema nekim novim pokazateljima ima izgleda da se pokaže delotvornim u lečenju
Multple Myeloma.

pa ok, samo bi bilo.... fair da navedu da trudnice nikako ne treba da ga koriste.
samo to.

pa ok, samo bi bilo.... fair da navedu da trudnice nikako ne treba da ga koriste.
samo to.

THALIDOMIDE je odavno kao lek, zabranjen trudnicama... posle ustanovljavanja
posledica koje je izazivao....Principijelno, svi lekovi su otrovi,
na neki način - nema tog leka koji ima samo pozitivne efekte....
(mislim, naravno na one koji se "per os" koriste)

Kako sva biohemija prolazi kroz jetru - koja je čudo od
mašine - (veštačka jetra koja bi se napravila prema sadašnjim
mogućnostima tehnologije i koja bi radila sve što radi i normalna zdrava
ljudska jetra - bila bi velika kao fudbalsko igralište!)
ona trpi i najveće posledice "lečenja" - lekovima...

NSarski, zbog tebe će da propadne farma, a to je biznis nad biznisima... Neće me začuditi kada te budu upucali. Pa znaš li ti čoveče da je za taj lek o kome pišeš potrošena ogromna suma para dok se nije dobila dozvola za njegovu eksploataciju. A da ne zaboravimo da su placebo efekti još bolji od samog leka, jer

Stigli su nam rezultati iz laboratorije i dobri su

U svakom slučaju topla preporuka od mene i mojih prijatelja koji odbijaju da idu na pretrage.
P.S. a kada bi smo i otišli kod doktora, obavezno bi nam dao lek, a ovo tvoje je lek protiv lekova...
:-)))

G. NS,
ono gore sam se malo šalio, a sada sledi anegdota, koju ja često pričam svojim klijentima...ako su mi po volji:
Kada oni dođu kod mene u kancelariju i traže pomoć iliti pravni savet, lepo im kažem: lekare i advokate treba izbegavati, uvek kada to možeš....ali kada ti zaistinski zatrebaju, nemoj niako da ih izbegavaš. I tako ti je to u životu, ako ih izbegneš, pitanje je da li se posle može pomoći, ili je već suviše kasno :-(
N.B: (to jest nema leka, to jest nema pravnog leka :-(((

GajaR

G. NS,ono gore sam se malo šalio, a sada sledi anegdota, koju ja često pričam svojim klijentima...ako su mi po volji:Kada oni dođu kod mene u kancelariju i traže pomoć iliti pravni savet, lepo im kažem: lekare i advokate treba izbegavati, uvek kada to možeš....ali kada ti zaistinski zatrebaju, nemoj niako da ih izbegavaš. I tako ti je to u životu, ako ih izbegneš, pitanje je da li se posle može pomoći, ili je već suviše kasno :-( N.B: (to jest nema leka, to jest nema pravnog leka :-(((

iz "Ivanova":
I lekar i advokat opelješe svog klijenta. Samo što ga lekar na kraju i ubije.

nsarski

zbog tebe će da propadne farma, a to je biznis nad biznisima.Big Pharma je posebna prica, i njihova humanost je nadaleko cuvena diljem planete. Ne kazem da su svi takvi, ali medju njima ima mnogo prevaranata. Da ne govorim o monopolu koji drze. Nece oni propasti, ne brinem se suvise.Ja se ne palim na teorije zavere, ali kad su oni u pitanju...

Pobogu Nsarski, ja stalno kukam da teorije zaver ne postoje. Zato sto nisu teorije. Bese pticiji grip. Galama, frka, panika, pandemija, ajajaooo.....Leka nema ali Tamiflu, lek protiv gripa, obicnog, domaceg je promovisan kao nesto naj bolje. Kazu da ne pomaze, ali bolje ista nego nista. Ko kaze? Pa sam proizvodjac-ROCHE. Btw, jedan od glavnih akcionara je Donald Ramsfeld. Covek ima logistiku, medije, napravise takvu reklamu da su kod nas penzosi davali poslednje pare za taj lek, koji, napominjem, ne deluje na virus pticijeg gripa. Tamiflu se rasprodao (verovatno su imali zalihe sa rokom koji je bio pri kraju, pa su se setili pticijeg gripa), akcionari trljaju ruke, a pticijeg gripa nigde. Do sada je od pticijeg gripa umrlo (ne znam bas tacan broj, pa ne zamerite) reda velicine 80 ljudi! Od, recimo 1965?!?!?!?! Ko se danas seca pticijeg gripa???
Narko mafija je lokalna piljarnica u odnosu na farmaceutske multi-kulti-nulti kompanije!!!!

Sada, ovaj lek ima neke neželjene efekte. Hteo bih da ti kažem koji su, u slučaju da se nešto desi, da se ne brineš suviše, OK?

pretpostavljam da se ova recenica izgovara zbog onih nesretnika - advokata.

nikad je nisam cuo na srpskom jeziku.

upozorenje na "nezeljene efekte". ne. nikad nisam cuo.

mozda zato sto se ne zovem dejvid?

meni pricala zena da postoji ekipa koja za lovu testira nove lekove. Sta se sve tu desava ...

There's been a little complication with my complication

Le Monde Diplomatique:

Testing new drugs on world's poor
By Sonia Shah

More than 30 years after the scandalous Tuskegee Syphilis Study showcased the dangers of unregulated medical research, triggering an avalanche of new laws and oversight on human experimentation, American companies continue to engage in poorly regulated experimentation just beyond our borders.

Starved of adequate numbers of Americans willing to enroll in clinical trials for new drugs, over the past few decades pharmaceutical companies have quietly exported their clinical trials business to developing countries, where sick, untreated patients teem and federal oversight is minimal. This year, for example, Wyeth and Merck will conduct at least half of their clinical trials for new drugs outside the United States, and Pfizer is just one among many companies that have opened clinical-trial hubs in India.

The potential for exploitation and ethics violations in these trials is palpable. The FDA accepts data from overseas trials, but does not require any prior review (as they do for trials in the U.S.) and simply accepts the word of local ethics committees and local regulators that FDA's ethical standards have been met.

Many of these countries have weak regulatory infrastructures and poor human rights records, especially toward the impoverished residents who are most likely to enroll in clinical trials. In India, for example, government officials have dismantled rules cramping clinical trials — hoping to increase the foreign drug trials business from $70 million a year to $1 billion — but have enacted not a single law to protect research subjects. The few regulations that do govern the drug industry are lightly enforced at best. “Even if an erring company is caught red-handed indulging in illegal activities,” writes Dr. Chandra Gulhati, an Indian industry analyst, “it is let off ... with a light warning.”

In the United States, before ethical standards in medical research were enshrined into law, unethical experimentation openly flourished. Reports on the U.S. Public Health Service's deceptive, non-treatment study of syphilitic black sharecroppers in Tuskegee appeared regularly in the medical literature for years, even after voluntary ethical standards that it clearly violated were publicly articulated. In developing countries, evidence that trials are falling short of ethical standards similarly abounds. Take voluntary informed consent, universally considered the cornerstone of ethical experimentation on humans.

Generally, a steady stream of enrolled subjects dropping out of trials — up to 45 percent in some trials in the United States — is considered a good indication of voluntary consent. The subjects felt free to leave (and did). This phenomenon is disturbingly scarce in trials in developing countries.

In South Africa, drug companies have reported recruiting 3,000 subjects for a clinical trial in nine days, and more than 1,300 children for another trial in 12 days. Those numbers suggest a startling lack of “no” responses. To study this phenomenon, researchers have quizzed people who have already enrolled in clinical trials about whether they are aware that they are free to leave. Studies in Bangladesh and South Africa show that around 80 percent are not.

That should be alarming. Worse yet is that the companies that conduct these experiments on behalf of drug companies tout the unduly positive response among patients in poor countries as a reason to conduct more experiments on them, not fewer. One New Delhi-based company boasts in its promotional literature that it retains “99.5 percent” of enrolled subjects. “Russian subjects don't miss appointments ... and only very rarely do they withdraw their consent,” enthused a typical promotional Applied Clinical Trials article, “Discover Russia for Clinical Research.” “What a phenomenon!”

According to industry researchers involved in these trials, their impoverished subjects want to be experimented upon. As a clinician who conducts industry trials on patients in South Africa told me, his subjects are “really very happy. They say, 'Gosh, I'm really happy this happened to me.'” So were the black sharecroppers enrolled in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, according to the nurse who recruited them. “The ride to and from the hospital ... chauffeured by a nurse, was a mark of distinction for many of the men,” nurse Eunice Rivers explained. They “enjoyed waving to their neighbors as they drove by.”

Is that good enough? In a world of inequities, it's always possible to find someone who is willing to tolerate what we ourselves would avoid, be it a toxic waste dump in the backyard or a risky medical experiment. In the world of business, that might be permissible. But according to the laws and ethical codes that govern clinical research, more is expected of us — not just to protect research subjects' human rights and dignity, but our own. One hopes it won't take a travesty on the scale of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study to realize it.

Kako se izlečiti od osnovne bolesti - a umreti od sporedne
ili tzv. nuzpojavnih ... bolesti ?

Novi tip leka... iz starih arhiva... na osnovu kojih
su se glavne bolesti (tada neizlečive) lečile izazivanjem druge ...
bolesti koja je bila izlečiva ... a koja je pomagala u lečenju osnovne bolesti

Zanima me od čega je taj pacijent završio ?

by Timothy Leary, Ph.D.

When in the course of organic evolution it becomes obvious that a mutational process is inevitably dissolving the physical and neurological bonds which connect the members of one generation to the past and inevitably directing them to assume among the species of Earth the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and Nature's God entitle them, a decent concern for the harmony of species requires that the causes of the mutation should be declared.

We hold these truths to be self evident:

*

That all species are created different but equal;
*

That they are endowed, each one, with certain inalienable rights;
*

That among them are Freedom to Live, Freedom to Grow, and Freedom to pursue Happiness in their own style;
*

That to protect these God-given rights, social structures naturally emerge, basing their authority on the principles of love of God and respect for all forms of life;
*

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of life, liberty, and harmony, it is the organic duty of the young members of that species to mutate, to drop out, to initiate a new social structure, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its power in such form as seems likely to produce the safety, happiness, and harmony of all sentient beings.
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Genetic wisdom, indeed, suggests that social structures long established should not be discarded for frivolous reasons and transient causes. The ecstasy of mutation is equally balanced by the pain. Accordingly all experience shows that members of a species are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, rather than to discard the forms to which they are accustomed.
* But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, all pursuing invariably the same destructive goals, threaten the very fabric of organic life and the serene harmony of the planet, it is the right, it is the organic duty to drop out of such morbid covenants and to evolve new loving social structures.

Such has been the patient sufferance of the freedom-loving peoples of this earth, and such is now the necessity which constrains us to form new systems of government.

The history of the white, menopausal, mendacious men now ruling the planet earth is a history of repeated violation of the harmonious laws of nature, all having the direct object of establishing a tyranny of the materialistic aging over the gentle, the peace-loving, the young, the colored. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to the judgment of generations to come.

These old, white rulers have maintained a continuous war against other species of life, enslaving and destroying at whim fowl, fish, animals and spreading a lethal carpet of concrete and metal over the soft body of earth.

They have maintained as well a continual state of war among themselves and against the colored races, the freedom-loving, the gentle, the young. Genocide is their habit.

They have instituted artificial scarcities, denying peaceful folk the natural inheritance of earth's abundance and God's endowment.

They have glorified material values and degraded the spiritual.

They have claimed private, personal ownership of God's land, driving by force of arms the gentle from passage on the earth.

In their greed they have erected artificial immigration and customs barriers, preventing the free movement of people.

In their lust for control they have set up systems of compulsory education to coerce the minds of the children and to destroy the wisdom and innocence of the playful young.

In their lust for power they have controlled all means of communication to prevent the free flow of ideas and to block loving exchanges among the gentle.

In their fear they have instituted great armies of secret police to spy upon the privacy of the pacific.

In their anger they have coerced the peaceful young against their will to join their armies and to wage murderous wars against the young and gentle of other countries.

In their greed they have made the manufacture and selling of weapons the basis of their economies.

For profit they have polluted the air, the rivers, the seas.

In their impotence they have glorified murder, violence, and unnatural sex in their mass media.

In their aging greed they have set up an economic system which favors age over youth.

They have in every way attempted to impose a robot uniformity and to crush variety, individuality, and independence of thought.

In their greed, they have instituted political systems which perpetuate rule by the aging and force youth to choose between plastic conformity or despairing alienation.

They have invaded privacy by illegal search, unwarranted arrest, and contemptuous harassment.

They have enlisted an army of informers.

In their greed they sponsor the consumption of deadly tars and sugars and employ cruel and unusual punishment of the possession of life-giving alkaloids and acids.

They never admit a mistake. They unceasingly trumpet the virtue of greed and war. In their advertising and in their manipulation of information they make a fetish out of blatant falsity and pious self-enhancement. Their obvious errors only stimulate them to greater error and noisier self-approval.

They are bores.
They hate beauty.
They hate sex.
They hate life.

We have warned them from time to time to their inequities and blindness. We have addressed every available appeal to their withered sense of righteousness. We have tried to make them laugh. We have prophesied in detail the terror they are perpetuating. But they have been deaf to the weeping of the poor, the anguish of the colored, the rocking mockery of the young, the warnings of their poets. Worshipping only force and money, they listen only to force and money. But we shall no longer talk in these grim tongues.

We must therefore acquiesce to genetic necessity, detach ourselves from their uncaring madness and hold them henceforth as we hold the rest of God's creatures - in harmony, life brothers, in their excess, menaces to life.

We, therefore, God-loving, peace-loving, life-loving, fun-loving men and women, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the Universe for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the Authority of all sentient beings who seek gently to evolve on this planet, solemnly publish and declare that we are free and independent, and that we are absolved from all Allegiance to the United States Government and all governments controlled by the menopausal, and that grouping ourselves into tribes of like-minded fellows, we claim full power to live and move on the land, obtain sustenance with our own hands and minds in the style which seems sacred and holy to us, and to do all Acts and Things which independent Freemen and Freewomen may of right do without infringing on the same rights of other species and groups to do their own thing.

And for the support of this Declaration of Evolution with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, and serenely confident of the approval of generations to come, in whose name we speak, do we now mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor.

Lekovi koje je preporucivao Timoti F Liri su bas happy happy happy ....

antioksidant

Lekovi koje je preporucivao Timoti F Liri su bas happy happy happy ....

..... samo mali historiski vremeplov. samo nesto oko pre 60-godina....

gorak zivot,gorak lek
spasi zivot, pisi cek

E, ovo jes da je malo karikirano, ali nije daleko od istine. Kako muvaju sa tim medicinskim osiguranjima, Amerika ce postati zemlja treceg sveta jer ljudi nece moci da se levce, a o preventivnoj medicini da ne pricamo.

Ja bi o slici ….elem u Aesklepion-u hramu boga Æsclepius-a (Eskulapa), lek je bio koliko u hramu, toliko I u citavom okruzenju. Bolesnik je, sa verom da lek postoji, tu cesto dolazio sa celom porodicom i svi su najpre uzivali u prijatnom ambijentu pod cempresima I mirtama, u zuboru vode, u muzici, I umetnostima….

I, gde je tu lek? Smiren I ohrabren ambijentiom, pacijent bi tek u trenutku kada bi bio spreman isao po lek. U san. Pod arkadama hrama, sa pogledom na statue Eskulapa nizale su se lezaljke na kojima bi bolesnik zaspao. U snu bi mu Eskulap cudesno pomogao da ozdravi, ili saveteovao sta da radi I koji je put ka ozdravljenju. Posle budjenja, svestenici bi pomogli bolesniku da protumaci san, dali mu herbalne lekove i savete kako da okrepi duh i telo.
I, stvar je uspesno funkcionisala stotinama godina. Bez kontraindikacija.

Naravno dveipohiljade godina kasnije sve se zove “healthy lifestyle & holistic healing; family support, positive thinking, belief in recovery..." I debelo naplacuje

pa naraFski kad je Mr Eskulap bio sin Mr. Apolona, lepota mu bila u krvi ;)))

Kad te nešto boli idi kod lekara. I lekar treba od nečega da živi.

Kad ti lekar prepiše lekove, idi kod apotekara, treba i apotekar od nečega da živi.

Kad dođeš kući baci lekove. Treba i ti da živiš.

... cija je ovo prica?

nsarski

Inner Party

... cija je ovo prica?

E. Bogosian.

Hvala!